Prospect Info: Joshua Roy

[26Mats]

I have always prefer Joshua Roy over Farrell honestly. And one of the main reason, the size. I think, this is a lost pick to pick a forward at 5ft8. Unless, he has potential a la Lane Hutson, Cole Caufield or Jordan Dumais. Like they produce on a ridiculous pace. I personnally prefer to pick guys with size a la Xhekaj, Thorpe, Protz. There are no many 5 ft8 guy in the NHL, so there is no reason to draft many of them.

I would have liked Justin Poirier and Jordan Dumais in the rounds they were taken.

But glad with small dmen Hutson and Bogdan, medium sized players like Engstrom and Roy, and big guys like Xhekaj and Protz, as far as picks after the 2nd round go.

So glad we didn't pass on Caufield and Hutson because of height - and Suzuki in the Pacioretty trade.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Farrell did have high offensive potential, but it doesn't look like it's going to work for him in Montreal...

No one can claim that yet, by all accounts the organization still high on the kid and expect him to push this training camp.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Not today, I argued it before because it was true at the time. Roy added a lot more to his game to allow him to find different avenues to the NHL than he had at the time.

That's the thing about prospects is you evaluate them continuously. Keeping an old opinion in the face of new progressions is the foolhardy way to go about it.

My motto, you can check, I often write wait and see. Boards are filled with people pretending having the truth, they predict the future, based on what, I dunno, all this in a pretentious style and self confidence.

 

[WeThreeKings]

My motto, you can check, I often write wait and see. Boards are filled with people pretending having the truth, they predict the future, based on what, I dunno, all this in a pretentious style and self confidence.

I'm trying to project based on what I see, for fun. Where it gets toxic is when people argue to be right rather than debate to learn. Too much trying to "win" or "be right" vs the value of discussion here. Think that's just the way the world is these days tho.

I never thought Roy over Farrell was a weird choice either. I just felt at the time Farrell had more pathways to the NHL. Roy has worked very hard to make that point moot now.

 

[Mayday1980]

The most interesting thing Roy brings at this time is his ability to complement high skill players on a cost-effective basis. I don't want him traded but if we go for a top-6 talent in a trade he's probably our most lucrative trade chip.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I'm trying to project based on what I see, for fun. Where it gets toxic is when people argue to be right rather than debate to learn. Too much trying to "win" or "be right" vs the value of discussion here. Think that's just the way the world is these days tho.

I never thought Roy over Farrell was a weird choice either. I just felt at the time Farrell had more pathways to the NHL. Roy has worked very hard to make that point moot now.

Tks for reply me. I don't think Roy did worked that hard to improve. (Mod) Roy always been a playmaker and a player who capitalizes on scoring chances. He always was a player with an high IQ, he makes goals to happen when he's on the ice. He have a lot to improve to be make it happen on the nhl level, his skating have to improve but it's feasable. At least he have the size and he doesn't fall on the ice, he looks solid.

Farrell at the time when pple said he would become better than Roy was because he was playing in the usa system, a better league. Is that argument takes too much importance? He is much smaller and he didn't have the pts Roy did thru his carreer. I was thinking Farrell was a lower version of Plekanec. He looked ok at his level, but not dominating outragiously so my opinion when he would make the step into nhl (if he makes it), he would be like middle of the class, some sort of Evans or Torrey Mitchell. There are plenty of this type of prospects in the nhl, all the teams have some of them. Leblanc was another one, Ben Maxwell too, I mean we can't get too excited with smallish forwards who doesn't dominate outragiously like Caufield, Makar, Gaudreau or Hutson. They are the exception. Bigger prospects like Roy are more in the mold to do something signifiant in the nhl. They don't make it happen all of them for various reasons but there are more chances to become dominant. Take Toffoli for example, he's not a superstar but he scores, he does something, he have good years and bad years, ups and downs, but definitivly he belongs into the nhl.

Look at our bank of prospects, the ones we cheer the most have size. Slaf is ahead of Caufield today. Xhekaj younger brother is ahead of smaller prospects, Tuch is a possible one over smaller ones. Teams who won the SC had size and speed. And players playing the system of the coach because hockey is a team sport. A prospect with size, speed and some skills have chances. If he have size and IQ he will be an nhler unless have serious flaws or he doesn't train or if he have drinking or substances problems.

 

[Mrb1p]

The most interesting thing Roy brings at this time is his ability to complement high skill players on a cost-effective basis. I don't want him traded but if we go for a top-6 talent in a trade he's probably our most lucrative trade chip.

Why would you trade a homegrown cost controlled top 6 for another top 6 ? His natural growth IS the upgrade.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Folks,

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[bsl]

I'm just curious who would play in the top 6 this upcoming season if not Roy according to people who don't think he should play there.

CC-Suzuki-Slaf
Newhook-Dach-X
X-Dvorak-X
X-Evans-X

Josh Anderson who deserved to get waived after his performance last year? Brendan Gallagher who was -50 despite 13 minutes of ice time and still being gassed? Joel Armia who's essentially a PK specialist?

It’ll be Anderson. He gets one more chance.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

It’ll be Anderson. He gets one more chance.

Sadly yes, The unwritten law of the vets over kids. Unions works like this in society. I saw it. And also if he can have a good season enough to be traded. I have no problem with that.

 

[Naslundforever]

Sadly yes, The unwritten law of the vets over kids. Unions works like this in society. I saw it. And also if he can have a good season enough to be traded. I have no problem with that.

Dach needs to play and catch up in development though. Not pander to the least talented, lowest iq guy on the team who could not complete a play if he were on the prime Gretzky-Kurri line. It must be so confusing to trust your instinct, make the right play, then pass this schmuck the puck. Or jump into open ice and be ready for a pass that never comes or never on time… Confidence breaker. Dach would be better off in the stands watching game vids.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Why would you trade a homegrown cost controlled top 6 for another top 6 ? His natural growth IS the upgrade.

I think it doesn’t compute with a lot of people that we just have so many nice things after having practically zero.

All his post draft seasons are pointing to a potentially special player. The only thing we can point to is a brief lull in production after a red hot start in Laval. That lull preceded a very strong NHL debut for a forward whose skating has endured heavy scrutiny.

 

[schwang26]

RHP's most common linemates last year were Suzuki and CC, I'd call that extensive. He gradually started getting less ice time because he continued to be horrendous, yet still got his PP time.

Roy has more skill in his pinky than RHP and is a significantly smarter hockey player so I don't see why the age should be a factor. Yes RHP was faster and had more compete, but that completely disappeared last season.

They'd be idiots not to play Roy in the top 6 to start the year unless we trade for someone.

Unless Roy blows them away at camp, it’ll be Anderson. They have to try and get him going so he can be traded. There’s no way he’s starting on the 3rd line with that contract. Having Gally and Dvo there is already bad enough. They will give him every opportunity. Roy might get onto that line later though. It’s not idiotic. No one will take Anderson unless he shows something.

 

[Tyson]

Unless Roy blows them away at camp, it’ll be Anderson. They have to try and get him going so he can be traded. There’s no way he’s starting on the 3rd line with that contract. Having Gally and Dvo there is already bad enough. They will give him every opportunity. Roy might get onto that line later though. It’s not idiotic. No one will take Anderson unless he shows something.

Sorry but Anderson doesn't belong near the top 2 lines. He not only didn't perform when given the chance but he also made his linemates worse.
He had his chance. He and Gallagher have seen their best days. Bury them on the 3rd line.

 

[Mayday1980]

Why would you trade a homegrown cost controlled top 6 for another top 6 ? His natural growth IS the upgrade.

I'm not saying I'm out shopping him but if it's him and say one of our trade available young LHD to a cash strapped contender for one of their pending top 6 RFA fwds next year they think will break their cap strategy then I'd do it. I worry about his foot speed as a top 6 talent long term. I think he's in for a long NHL career but I'm not sure how he fits for us in the top6

 

[The Great Weal]

Unless Roy blows them away at camp, it’ll be Anderson. They have to try and get him going so he can be traded. There’s no way he’s starting on the 3rd line with that contract. Having Gally and Dvo there is already bad enough. They will give him every opportunity. Roy might get onto that line later though. It’s not idiotic. No one will take Anderson unless he shows something.

They literally played Roy over Anderson when they were both healthy last season. The second line completely fell apart the second Roy got injured.

 

[waitin425]

Roy is our wild card. He could be very good for us.

 

[CheldishGamibno]

The most interesting thing Roy brings at this time is his ability to complement high skill players on a cost-effective basis. I don't want him traded but if we go for a top-6 talent in a trade he's probably our most lucrative trade chip.

Hey salut Normand!

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Dach needs to play and catch up in development though. Not pander to the least talented, lowest iq guy on the team who could not complete a play if he were on the prime Gretzky-Kurri line. It must be so confusing to trust your instinct, make the right play, then pass this schmuck the puck. Or jump into open ice and be ready for a pass that never comes or never on time… Confidence breaker. Dach would be better off in the stands watching game vids.

I'm saying this since 2 years for any young player paired with Dvo and Evans. Gally, Anderson Armia and Pezz doesn't help developp Roy, Ylonen, Heineman or any other. Having bad teamates who doesn't bring effort or are washed up is just a shut down developpment for youngsters They better developp in Laval or in almost any other league. Or what, they play in nhl but in a losing context where they damage their confidence and they have very limited ice, they are cut from the line-up if they make a mistake, that's sucks! I like if the Habs have better 3rd and 4th centers, at least one center per line who makes good play and the wingers developp to read the play. Monahan was fantastic for that. But it's like asking for the moon (moon, moonahan, lol)

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

They literally played Roy over Anderson when they were both healthy last season. The second line completely fell apart the second Roy got injured.

I hope Roy will not become an habitual injured on the roster. I fear Habs are cursed, it's badluck, Dach is concerning, and also Ghule and Roy, They are all important pieces fo the future core.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

They literally played Roy over Anderson when they were both healthy last season. The second line completely fell apart the second Roy got injured.

Well, I'd argue it fell apart when Dach got hurt in game two...

But, yeah we definitely missed Roy when he went down. I agree he's the right choice over Anderson (or any other current player) for the second line.

 

[HuGort]

I'm just curious who would play in the top 6 this upcoming season if not Roy according to people who don't think he should play there.

CC-Suzuki-Slaf
Newhook-Dach-X
X-Dvorak-X
X-Evans-X

Josh Anderson who deserved to get waived after his performance last year? Brendan Gallagher who was -50 despite 13 minutes of ice time and still being gassed? Joel Armia who's essentially a PK specialist?

As I think about it. Roy and Armia could play with Dach? Both played well together second half of last season. It does boost Armia trade value at deadline.

Also gives long look Newhook as a center. Which is probably better in long run. Dvorak and Evans on 4th line. Evans also played well on Monahan wing last season. Gives Habs double center option in defense zone faceoffs. Come in handy as Seems like Dvorak gets tossed a lot.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

As I think about it. Roy and Armia could play with Dach? Both played well together second half of last season. It does boost Armia trade value at

That suggested line lacks sufficient speed to take advantage of each of those players’ individual best talents.

The conundrum that many face building that effective second line ( and even more so the bottom two lines) is why we will be pretenders until Demidov, Hage, etc. arrive.

Dach’s return to full health and hopefully effectiveness will help, but until the arrival of our promised talented forward prospects, this team will be relying on a strong top line, its highly mobile defence and surprisingly effective goaltending. But should any of these falter, or, god forbid, endure any long term injury to a major element, we’re drafting in the top 5 again. And at least to this writer, such an outcome would be far from disastrous.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I don’t think Roy will be traded. He’s a young talented French player. Habs will be able to have him at a reasonable contract for years so I don’t see him going anywhere.

I really hope they play him in the top six this year. That’s where he belongs for now. Let him develop with better players. Long term I think he’s on the third with Beck and Newhook on what should be an outstanding third line.

I think by the time that’s our third line we will be contending for the division

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Clearly one of the 3 RWs in Anderson, Gallagher, Armia will (all?) be tried for that last top 6 spot

It shouldn't be any of them, but they sadly will try them first

Roy will get his chances eventually, he'll shine too, too good a hockey player not to

Armia had great chemistry with Newhook in the latter part of last year. I’d put him on the second line and get his value up. Gally on the third with DVO and Roy. As Roy develops switch him with Armia if he really stand out