Prospect Info: Joshua Roy Part 2

[Rockomax]

I know, I agree.

It just is counterintuitive. When I see his goal, I often find that they looked easy and may not translate to a higher level. But then again, why does he get 119 soft goals in a year? Some players make it work consistently without it looking flashy or incredibly skilled. He seems like he is in that category.

You also might have that perception because he produces a lot on the powerplay. This is my perception though. In the games I watched and the highlights of his season, it feels like he was always getting points in that aspect of the game. I might be wrong though; I can't find his PP anywhere.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Roy is still only 18...he won't turn 19 till August. Xavier Parent actually turned 21 in March.

But yes agreed, Roy has made tremendous progress but could do with another year in junior to work on other aspects of his game.

I'd like to see the Habs give Parent an AHL contract

 

[ryan callahan]

Roy's skating ''woes'' are so overstated. He has very good edges, is deceptively fast and definitely beat a number of Q defenders off the rush this year. Far from a problem imo. He looks faster than Suzuki and Caufield.

 

[Rob Sense]

I'd like to see the Habs give Parent an AHL contract

And then most of the posters would complain that Mtl just signed another small francophone.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

And then most of the posters would complain that Mtl just signed another small francophone.

Possibly.

I dont think the team cares about the posters on this board.

The cynical nature of this board will turn everything into a negative anyway.

 

[dcyhabs]

The guys you mention busted (some of them) because they would never have made it in the first place.

If being in the NHL playing against better competition "ruins" you, then frankly I rather not have them on my team.

Good players find ways. Patches was also bought up at 20 and he struggled. Had a couple of stint between the AHL and Montréal until he "got it". I would argue this helped him more than if he stayed with Michigan.

If you have anything between the ears, you should be able to handle the NHL at a younger age.

Goes without saying that they need to be used properly if they make the jump.

Leblanc got worse year over year after playing in the NHL. It’s debatable what aspect of being rushed to the NHL with a bad coach is what actually causes prospects to fail to reach their ceilings but there does appear to be harm in bringing a prospect up before he’s ready.

Less so with a great prospect on a terrible team who will still get ice time and freedom.

 

[morhilane]

Leblanc got worse year over year after playing in the NHL. It’s debatable what aspect of being rushed to the NHL with a bad coach is what actually causes prospects to fail to reach their ceilings but there does appear to be harm in bringing a prospect up before he’s ready.

Leblanc wrote an open letter in French about it. I think it is an interesting read if you can read French.

 

[River Meadow]

I found out yesterday he leads the Q in points..

Why y'all ain't tell me.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Leblanc got worse year over year after playing in the NHL. It’s debatable what aspect of being rushed to the NHL with a bad coach is what actually causes prospects to fail to reach their ceilings but there does appear to be harm in bringing a prospect up before he’s ready.

Less so with a great prospect on a terrible team who will still get ice time and freedom.

Lefevbre killed Leblanc. Therrien was just the chaser. We had terrible coaching at both levels.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Roy's skating ''woes'' are so overstated. He has very good edges, is deceptively fast and definitely beat a number of Q defenders off the rush this year. Far from a problem imo. He looks faster than Suzuki and Caufield.

7 points in two playoff games. Lots to be happy about there.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Roy's skating ''woes'' are so overstated. He has very good edges, is deceptively fast and definitely beat a number of Q defenders off the rush this year. Far from a problem imo. He looks faster than Suzuki and Caufield.

He does not look faster that Suzuki and Caufield. He looks like Pierre Dagenais in his skating. It definitely needs improvement but what Roy has done is compensate in other ways due to his high hockey IQ. In some ways he is similar to Suzuki but without the defensive game. The good news is he is still 18 years old. In fact, if he was born a month later he would be a prospect in the 2022 draft. He has a lot of time to work on his skating and his game.

 

[dcyhabs]

Leblanc wrote an open letter in French about it. I think it is an interesting read if you can read French.

He’s pretty impressive not to be bitter with Bergevin.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

He’s pretty impressive not to be bitter with Bergevin.

Seems like a good guy. Tough thing to go through. As he says though, he will find easier to go through what comes next in his professional life after this.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Leblanc got worse year over year after playing in the NHL. It’s debatable what aspect of being rushed to the NHL with a bad coach is what actually causes prospects to fail to reach their ceilings but there does appear to be harm in bringing a prospect up before he’s ready.

Less so with a great prospect on a terrible team who will still get ice time and freedom.

Leblanc was a nothing prospect with fringe ceiling. I see him used as the example over and over again. The truth is this kid never had much upside. He was always going to be a tweener at best. I do think good guys can get ruined. DD had his ugly mitts all over CC and MT with Chucky etc. I think Chucky had a whole bunch of holes in his game though.

KK’s confidence plummeted once he got benched. And we saw it happen with so many of our prospects here. Look what was happening with Caufield before the coaching change.

Guy Lafleur talked about it too. You need confidence as a player. Once it’s gone you’re in real trouble. Wickenheiser is another great example of a player we ruined.

Roy and Kidney… I’d like to see them spend some more time in the minors. Give them ice time and let them dominate.

If we’re lucky enough to get Shane Wright… that might be a different story.

I mean you were in here singing DD’s praises with KK’s development after a handful of games with him.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Leblanc was a nothing prospect with fringe ceiling. I see him used as the example over and over again. The truth is this kid never had much upside. He was always going to be a tweener at best. I do think good guys can get ruined. DD had his ugly mitts all over CC and MT with Chucky etc. I think Chucky had a whole bunch of holes in his game though.

Leblanc was never projected to be a superstar. But he should’ve been a solid NHL player. He was a very safe pick. It’s BS to call him a fringe propspect.

I mean you were in here singing DD’s praises with KK’s development after a handful of games with him.

Yep. And I called it out long afterward. He started well and then f***ed up. Hopefully MSL doesn’t do the same thing. I don’t think he will. He’s smarter and he doesn’t have Bergevin to deal with.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Leblanc was never projected to be a superstar. But he should’ve been a solid NHL player. He was a very safe pick. It’s BS to call him a fringe propspect.

Yep. And I called it out long afterward. He started well and then f***ed up. Hopefully MSL doesn’t do the same thing. I don’t think he will. He’s smarter and he doesn’t have Bergevin to deal with.

No he was a fringe prospect. No outstanding qualities. Jack of all trades, master of none. He just wasn’t very good. He played games at the NHL level on a bottom feeder, but was part of the reason we were a bottom feeder. He had zero upside.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

No he was a fringe prospect. No outstanding qualities. Jack of all trades, master of none. He just wasn’t very good. He played games at the NHL level on a bottom feeder, but was part of the reason we were a bottom feeder. He had zero upside.

Nonsense. He was projected to be a solid NHLer. That is not a “fringe” prospect. He went right where he was projected to go. This wasn’t a reach.

 

[Habs Halifax]

And then most of the posters would complain that Mtl just signed another small francophone.

Not sure if it would be most of the poster but some will try to belittle the move though yeah. Not much risk in offering Parent an AHL contract.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Now there's been a lot of newer posters here on the board rather than back in 2009.

But I was completely on an island against Louis Leblanc back in the 2009 draft. Everyone was on me for not wanting him.

So I'd say a lot of this is hindsight bias against Leblanc. I've never seen a prospect get so much support for a selection on this board.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Now there's been a lot of newer posters here on the board rather than back in 2009.

But I was completely on an island against Louis Leblanc back in the 2009 draft. Everyone was on me for not wanting him.

So I'd say a lot of this is hindsight bias against Leblanc. I've never seen a prospect get so much support for a selection on this board.

Totally fine for you to not want a particular guy. Glad when those who watch the minors speak out with their opinions. If they’re wrong on somebody… so be it. At least they stepped up with their opinions.

But as you said, you were in the minority here. It’s not like that guy was a stretch for elwhere he went. Mid first round. From that you expect a solid NHLer. Not a star but a guy who should be top six, top 9 at worst.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Totally fine for you to not want a particular guy. Glad when those who watch the minors speak out with their opinions. If they’re wrong on somebody… so be it. At least they stepped up with their opinions.

But as you said, you were in the minority here. It’s not like that guy was a stretch for elwhere he went. Mid first round. From that you expect a solid NHLer. Not a star but a guy who should be top six, top 9 at worst.

And even as someone who didn't want Leblanc, he was still looking the part before Bergevin/Lefebvre as a player who could play in a 3rd line role.

There were a lot of picks I didn't like during that time period but to get nothing out of it, has always been the indictment of the regime.

How is Leblanc not at least a bottom 6 forward?
How did Tinordi not become a 3rd pair D who could kill penalties like Hal Gill?
How could Beaulieu not become a 3rd pair PP specialist?
How did they not get McCarron into a 4th line player with size and some ability to chip in?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

And even as someone who didn't want Leblanc, he was still looking the part before Bergevin/Lefebvre as a player who could play in a 3rd line role.

There were a lot of picks I didn't like during that time period but to get nothing out of it, has always been the indictment of the regime.

How is Leblanc not at least a bottom 6 forward?
How did Tinordi not become a 3rd pair D who could kill penalties like Hal Gill?
How could Beaulieu not become a 3rd pair PP specialist?
How did they not get McCarron into a 4th line player with size and some ability to chip in?

Yep. At the very worst he should’ve been a third liner. Our prospects never even met the bottom end of expectations. And nobody aside from Gallagher met or exceeded them. It was dreadful.

Anyways, I don’t expect us to make the same mistakes again. I hope we don’t call up Roy next year. I’d rather him dominate again than bring him up too early. And Kidney looks nowhere near being physically ready to bring up now either.

It’s awesome to see both guys dominating down there though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No he was a fringe prospect. No outstanding qualities. Jack of all trades, master of none. He just wasn’t very good. He played games at the NHL level on a bottom feeder, but was part of the reason we were a bottom feeder. He had zero upside.

Personally, I think Leblanc had potential but he just didn't develop well after turning pro. Didn't really add to his game from the 18-21 years which was the issue. Not your work out in the gym type and lots of players who develop well focus on their bodies. This is a massive area in development and where most prospects struggle or fade away.

Easier to stand out from 14-17 years playing with players close to your own age. In the 18-21 years, it gets much tougher with men in the mix

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Now there's been a lot of newer posters here on the board rather than back in 2009.

But I was completely on an island against Louis Leblanc back in the 2009 draft. Everyone was on me for not wanting him.

So I'd say a lot of this is hindsight bias against Leblanc. I've never seen a prospect get so much support for a selection on this board.

I recall this. Almost everyone was unanimously happy with the Leblanc selection.

You’re definitely right in saying there’s alot of hindsight bias in this thread regarding him, at the time he was seen as having 2C upside but was a near lock to be a good 2-way 3C as a floor. He did look to be trending in that direction before the regime change..

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

And then most of the posters would complain that Mtl just signed another small francophone.

Honestly, nothing to lose here. Undrafted and he’s killing it with Roy. Weird too, because he’s never done much and now all of a sudden he’s top in the league…