Value of: Josh Anderson

[5cotland]

If Montreal trades Anderson? That's big question? Not what they get for him. They could hang onto him and trade him a year or two from now. His value likely be higher then. Anderson is good protection for our small finesse players. It is 50/50 Montreal deals him now, or in a year?

Jeannot has 5 goals in 56 games, Anderson much superior player with 17 goals in 57 games. On top of that, Habs can take bad contract back. So, those that say his contract is an issue? It clearly is not. Montreal have 25 million coming off their cap at seasons end. If they deal Anderson.

Jeannot is not paid to score goals and provide high offensive numbers. He is a middle 6 power forward who know his role and will be paid as such.

Anderson is on the wrong side of contract value and age. That plays a huge factor in what teams are willing to pay for a player

 

[Habs Halifax]

You are flat out wrong. Simple as that.

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His contract is literally among the worst in the league.

If his contract was "literally" one of the worse, no GM would have offered a 1st. But you can pretend to know that you know more than GM's... even the dumb aggressive ones.

If the Dubois trade gets closed due to debates going nowhere, this one should be closed too. Fair is fair. Habs management are not shopping Anderson. Reality and his value has been tried before.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Josh Anderson: 17G, 6A in 57 games at age 28. $5.4 AAV for 4 more years.

Jesperi Kotkaniemi: 11G, 14A in 58 games at age 22. $4.82 AAV for 7 more years.

I’d argue that’s a more valid comparison of value than Jeannot as a minimum salary rental. Although Kotkaniemi is much younger and plays the position of greater need league wide.

Hm Kotkaniemi must be playing well his past 30 games, haven't watched but I know he was snake bit early on. That's very solid production, all they need from him with the rest of the team stacked

 

[Seachd]

If his contract was "literally" one of the worse, no GM would have offered a 1st. But you can pretend to know that you know more than GM's... even the dumb aggressive ones.

If the Dubois trade gets closed due to debates going nowhere, this one should be closed too. Fair is fair. Habs management are not shopping Anderson. Reality and his value has been tried before.

In today’s NHL, it’s a little strange hearing that and automatically assuming it was a 1st straight up for Anderson.

Retention? Other pieces? Doesn’t seem quite so good if Montreal is giving up a 2nd. We have no idea. Just seems like a weird thing to keep throwing out there.

 

[Chrispy]

Hm Kotkaniemi must be playing well his past 30 games, haven't watched but I know he was snake bit early on. That's very solid production, all they need from him with the rest of the team stacked

Since December 1, Kotkaniemi has 20 points in 35 games after just 5 in his first 23 games.

He has definitely caught on and has been particularly meshed well with Teravainen and Necas of late.

 

[Habs Halifax]

In today’s NHL, it’s a little strange hearing that and automatically assuming it was a 1st straight up for Anderson.

Retention? Other pieces? Doesn’t seem quite so good if Montreal is giving up a 2nd. We have no idea. Just seems like a weird thing to keep throwing out there.

It's seems weird to you cause you don't value Anderson. But it was a credible report from what I remember. I think it was LeBrun who said it. Make no mistake, teams are calling but our price is high. Some fans are shopping Anderson but our management is not.

Major Development: LeBrun just revealed that the CH turned down a big trade offer involving Josh Anderson

Josh Anderson has been playing excellent hockey for the past few games and has taken advantage of the injury to Cole Caufield to take his place on the first line.

www.habsfanatics.com

 

[Canovin]

Josh Anderson at 50% you might get a quarter the value Jeannot got

 

[Seachd]

It's seems weird to you cause you don't value Anderson. But it was a credible report from what I remember. I think it was LeBrun who said it. Make no mistake, teams are calling but our price is high. Some fans are shopping Anderson but our management is not.

That goes both ways. You heard a 1st, with no clarification or qualification, and decided that’s exactly what it was, because that’s what you wanted to hear.

By the way, isn’t that the same fan site that said “Erik Karlsson would only waive for Edmonton”, even though that’s never been said by anyone remotely credible?

 

[Snowman]

That goes both ways. You heard a 1st, with no clarification or qualification, and decided that’s exactly what it was, because that’s what you wanted to hear.

By the way, isn’t that the same fan site that said “Erik Karlsson would only waive for Edmonton”, even though that’s never been said by anyone remotely credible?

Agree. No rational or logical person believes for a second that anyone offered a 1st for Anderson without heavy retention or Montreal taking back a lot of bad cap.

Cap space is far too valuable to waste on a player like Anderson when you can get similar value from players making far less and with far less term.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That goes both ways. You heard a 1st, with no clarification or qualification, and decided that’s exactly what it was, because that’s what you wanted to hear.

By the way, isn’t that the same fan site that said “Erik Karlsson would only waive for Edmonton”, even though that’s never been said by anyone remotely credible?

The gut feeling I have is Lebrun reached out to several GM's on Anderson's value (that's his job) and the narrative he got back from one GM was I even offered a 1st and it was declined. What were the other parts involved? We can only guess.

Anderson has value. More value than what we see on HF boards. We are just not shopping him though. We know what we have and we are perfectly fine with him on our team if a team does not offer pry away value.

 

[bert]

Jeannot is not paid to score goals and provide high offensive numbers. He is a middle 6 power forward who know his role and will be paid as such.

Anderson is on the wrong side of contract value and age. That plays a huge factor in what teams are willing to pay for a player

Get that logic out of here and id take Jeannot over Anderson any day. At least he knows his role.

The gut feeling I have is Lebrun reached out to several GM's on Anderson's value (that's his job) and the narrative he got back from one GM was I even offered a 1st and it was declined. What were the other parts involved? We can only guess.

Anderson has value. More value than what we see on HF boards. We are just not shopping him though. We know what we have and we are perfectly fine with him on our team if a team does not offer pry away value.

An entire thread of gut feelings over logic.

 

[pth2]

An entire thread of gut feelings over logic.

An entire thread of stats-watchers rejecting what a fanbase knows about their own player.

 

[jfhabs]

He’s always been as good as any of them. Why’s he worse? Because he says something you don’t like?

You know GMs can change their minds, right?

Just not as connected. That's why he rarely has any news to break. Hence not being as relevant as other insiders.

My take is greener GMs might not value a player like Anderson the same way as the old guard (which is still the majority of GMs). Might explain the conflicting info.

In reality you only have to find one GM who values him, ideally a few. Don't have to force it down on some GM who doesn't. Another reason why the info isn't really relevant.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Chiarot didn’t have 4 more years at $5.5 million he wasn’t living up to.



I’m going to pretend, for your sake, this isn’t serious, mainly because of the optics.

How is he not living up to it lmao. He’s producing like a 2nd line winger and he brings more than scoring as well.

This isn’t 2006; $5.5M AAV for a top-6 winger is good value, probably even a bargain. 30 goal guys in the same age range make $8M+ AAV. Is 5-10 more goals per season worth an extra $2.5-3M AAV? Not to me, but that’s the market. The more production increases, the more players get overpaid. Anderson is in that sweet spot where it’s actually decent value.

Players of his type are always sought after. We’ve seen the reports that Hughes has already turned down offers involving 1st round picks for him this season. We’ve seen multiple lesser players return 1sts plus more assets this year and the last few. But go ahead, be delusional about it because you don’t like the Habs lmao.

 

[NewEraGM]

Wheeler has him ranked at 42*

I'm not calling him perennial superstar or A++ prospect by any means but top 50 is still at least A- level. Wheeler has Farrell at only 1 spot above him and Habs fans are over the moon with him right now. In THW's top 100 list Knies is ranked 26th

Yea he’s a good prospect but leaf fans treat him like he’s Bedard. He’s a PPG in his D+2 in college playing with Cooley and snuggerud. It’s good but it’s not the super great prospect either. I think he’s a 20-25G/20-25A player in the nhl one

 

[devils9787]

lol and just last week on the habs board their fans were telling me that no one was valuing anderson this high and no one said he was going to get a 1st. what a bunch of lies. If you check their board now you'll see so many people posting that.

 

[Double Dion]

Anderson +1st, 2nd and 3rd for a 7th rounder is how I'd value him.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Knies would be Montreal's what 8th-10th best prospect. Toronto has no prospects.

Would love to hear the list of 7-9 Habs prospects better than Knies.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Yea he’s a good prospect but leaf fans treat him like he’s Bedard. He’s a PPG in his D+2 in college playing with Cooley and snuggerud. It’s good but it’s not the super great prospect either. I think he’s a 20-25G/20-25A player in the nhl one

Sure, they do value him a bit high but he's still definitely viewed higher than a B+ prospect around the league. Keeping on the Farrell comparison, he's playing with Coronato who was considered the best forward on team USA during the summer world juniors and is widely considered one of the top prospects in the NHL and arguably the best pure goal scorer (Kulich and Holtz are up there too).

 

[pth2]

It's litterally in this very thread. End of page 1, early in page 2.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Anderson +1st, 2nd and 3rd for a 7th rounder is how I'd value him.

checks math....thats negative value you clever boy

 

[Macheteops]

That's funny because our Gm on record said he had turned down a 1st for him already. Based on what Tampa gave up , glad he did decline.

Wether you like it or not, GM's value Anderson's fighting, hitting, speed, and consistent 20 goals a year average. His contract is perhaps 1 million over paid. Big deal. What players isn't these days. Most are.

Just because he said it does it make it true? He might be trying to set the price for Anderson with that comment

 

[Hunter368]

Just because he said it does it make it true? He might be trying to set the price for Anderson with that comment

We know agents & some GM's manipulate the media frequently for their own benefit, in this case the Habs GM is a current GM & former agent........so you know he isn't afraid or new to being "creative". To be clear I'm not saying he did here, but the story coming out clearly would be an attempt to boost a players value. I doubt any GM would completely lie to the media, but misleading facts left out can clearly happen. Before any Habs fan quote me saying Habs GM is an outstanding person who would never make a misleading statement, please save it. Plus I never stated he did, I'm saying it would be no surprise if he did b/c it would clearly benefit him to.

 

[Lockin17]

Josh Anderson at 50% you might get a quarter the value Jeannot got

Jezzzz what the F%$/, get lost mate

 

[Gillings]

Chiarot didn’t have 4 more years at $5.5 million he wasn’t living up to.



I’m going to pretend, for your sake, this isn’t serious, mainly because of the optics.

Let's be real about something. Anderson was signed with VERY bad timing from Bergevin. Price Down Weber Down Gallagher Down Byron Down.. Just about every piece gone. Plus they were shying away from rebuilding. Now they are rebuilding a couple years into the contract. That contract is not a carry the team contract.. it's a 3rd\2nd line player money and IMO he lives up to that role plus he plays with the kids well at times.