Value of: Josh Anderson

[The Gr8 Dane]

Jeannot - $800,000.
Anderson - $5,500,000

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Wasn't petry supposed to get a 1st too? Instead MTL took on an even worse deal in matheson.

Habs fans said Edmundson would definitely grab a 1st, which also hasn't happened yet.

Matheson deal >>>> Petry Deal

 

[26Mats]

Jeannot - $800,000.
Anderson - $5,500,000

Here are some other numbers for you gp, g, a, pts:

Jeannot:

56

5

9

14

Anderson:

57

17

6

23

One guy's a power forward that's scored at a 20 goals per 82 games once, the other 5 times - i.e. every season except his rookie season (18) and the season he came off of injury.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

The Chiarot comparison was inevitable, but it is so damn stupid on its face.

If you don’t understand the difference between an expiring contract and one with 4 years at a 5.5M AAV in this cap environment, then you do not exist in reality.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Wasn't petry supposed to get a 1st too? Instead MTL took on an even worse deal in matheson.

Habs fans said Edmundson would definitely grab a 1st, which also hasn't happened yet.

Doubt that was said about Petry. Matheson is also pretty good, really can’t complain about his play.

Edmundson if traded will 100% return a first. He’s been injured for a little while though so I’m not sure he is going to be traded this year. Might just be something we do next year if he does stay healthy

 

[thefutures]

Doubt that was said about Petry. Matheson is also pretty good, really can’t complain about his play.

Edmundson if traded will 100% return a first. He’s been injured for a little while though so I’m not sure he is going to be traded this year. Might just be something we do next year if he does stay healthy

There were plenty of MTL fans that had petry being valued at a 1st when it become apparent he would be moved, I could be wrong about Matheson being a bad contract but he's not the equivalent of a 1st rounder. Either way my point is everyone gets it wrong at some point valuing their guys and other teams guys.

 

[MasterMatt25]

Hughes has already made it known he doesn't want to move Anderson for some reason so he's staying unless someone overpays. /thread

 

[HabbyGuy]

The biggest issue that hinders his value is the term and cost of his contract. With retention there is value, without most teams would avoid the cost for what he brings.

He brings exactly what he always brung that got him the contract in the 1st place. If any of you don't think Anderson gets the exact same contract and term on the free market, your thoughts are misplaced.

 

[LVCarson]

Wasn't petry supposed to get a 1st too? Instead MTL took on an even worse deal in matheson.

Habs fans said Edmundson would definitely grab a 1st, which also hasn't happened yet.

Don’t forget how Domi was getting a huge haul cause he was a 70 points center, monahan, eddy, we’re getting 1st +, lecavailer and MSL were signing to play in Quebec, poehling was a superstar after being on pac for 150 goals a year, Fucale was a clone on Carey Price, Romanov was untouchable, Shane Wright was going to be the next superstar. Even the Habs own beat writer Engel laughs at the fans fantasies.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

He brings exactly what he always brung that got him the contract in the 1st place. If any of you don't think Anderson gets the exact same contract and term on the free market, your thoughts are misplaced.

He was signed in hopes that he would replicate and improve on his nearly 30 goal 50 point performance in his last year in Columbus. He has not remotely approached that yet. He is given first line duties and 1st PP and still doesn't produce to the standard he set in Columbus.

 

[HabbyGuy]

He was signed in hopes that he would replicate and improve on his nearly 30 goal 50 point performance in his last year in Columbus. He has not remotely approached that yet. He is given first line duties and 1st PP and still doesn't produce to the standard he set in Columbus.

He has paced on average for 24 goal seasons every year since becoming a Canadien, The fact that season's were cut short due to covid implications is not fault of Andersons. He is still the same player he's always been, A big strong fast winger that'll get you 20+ goals in a 82 game schedule. His skillset and genetic makeup is very much in demand in the NHL. There just aren't that many of his ilk to go around. I'm not seeing the drop off at all. And if anyone is thinking his contract is entirely wrapped up in his offensive production doesn't truly understand his "net value".

 

[Hounsy34]

Current season cap hit is such a big factor in deadline deals now, most of the big names being moved we are seeing 50% retentions. The remaining length of his deal makes it hard to compete with players and contracts that teams can get retention on.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

He has paced on average for 24 goal seasons every year since becoming a Canadien, The fact that season's were cut short due to covid implications is not fault of Andersons. He is still the same player he's always been, A big strong fast winger that'll get you 20+ goals in a 82 game schedule. His skillset and genetic makeup is very much in demand in the NHL. There just aren't that many of his ilk to go around. I'm not seeing the drop off at all.

I understand that he still produces, but someone with his production is not worth 5.5 million for another 4 years. The 24 goals is not worth that. 10 assists is not worth that. He does not bring enough physicality to take over a game.

Do you not think on a better team there would be worries that if he was not given 1st line minutes and top PP time that his offence would shrink?

 

[DrJustice]

I can't imagine the Habs and Bruins making a deal but it would be worth it to watch Toronto crap their pants at the thought of Josh Anderson on this Bruins team.

Marchand-Bergeron-DeBrusk
Zacha-Krejci-Pastrnak
Hall-Coyle-Anderson
Foligno-Frederic-Hathaway

Unfortunately the money just doesn't make sense for this deadline at least.

 

[biturbo19]

Jeannot - $800,000.
Anderson - $5,500,000

This is a valid point in the "value" of the deal for Jeannot this year. There's definite bonus value in having that tiny contract that makes it easy to fit him in for the year.

But at the end of the day, he's probably going to end up on a similarly big contract next year. I think the value of Jeannot illustrates how coveted players like him and Anderson are around the league still (contrary to fan perceptions).

There'll be a market for Anderson if Montreal want to move him. He just doesn't have quite that same value, because he's missing the utility of only costing pennies for the rest of this year.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I understand that he still produces, but someone with his production is not worth 5.5 million for another 4 years. The 24 goals is not worth that. 10 assists is not worth that. He does not bring enough physicality to take over a game.

Do you not think on a better team there would be worries that if he was not given 1st line minutes and top PP time that his offence would shrink?

His net value isn't all about his offensive production. Never has been. And what do mean he doesn't bring enough physicality to take over a game? Have you ever watched Anderson in the playoffs? Jon Cooper will tell you different, leaf fans should tell you different, but they won't admit it. He can absolutely impose himself in games that matter.

 

[dirtydanglez]

2nd and a c-level prospect would be my guess.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

His net value isn't all about his offensive production. Never has been. And what do mean he doesn't being enough physicaluty to take over a game? Have you ever watched Anderson in the playoffs?

Every game I have watched he is pretty one dimensional, lacks defence, does not penalty kill. He is good at forecheck pressure, but his lack of vision kills his assists totals. He is a north-south attacker and lacks the tools to score in different ways.

I watched the playoffs and did not come away blown away.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Every game I have watched he is pretty one dimensional, lacks defence, does not penalty kill. He is good at forecheck pressure, but his lack of vision kills his assists totals. He is a north-south attacker and lacks the tools to score in different ways.

I watched the playoffs and did not come away blown away.

Blown away will cost you 9M+. He has earned his contract. And he has absolutely been a difference maker on more than a few occasions in the playoffs. Perhaps you just appreciate a different type of player.

 

[seanlinden]

I might add, Jeannot is probably going to have a similar contract this summer to what Anderson already has. Given how Tampa gave a lot to get him, they can't easily nickel-and-dime him.

I think Toronto and Carolina should look long and hard to adding Anderson.

I don't see Montreal moving him for less than Jeannot.
Knies, a 2nd and some expiring contract Toronto needs to move out from ?


But Jeannot isn't a UFA/pure rental. He'll get re-signed. For significantly more money.

One of the reasons Jeannot got what he did is because he's 25 years old, only 152 games under his belt (viewed as a potential late bloomer), and making only $800k this year, is an extremely digestable add for any team at or near the cap.

Anderson doesn't have those same luxuries. He's only 28, but guys who play the way Anderson does don't tend to have the best longevity. He's played ~450 games, so is more likely to be "what he is" at this point, and he's got 4 years left at $5.5m.

Unless Montreal is going to retain (highly unlikely), most of the good teams would have to subtract a piece they really don't want to in order fit him in for this year.

For Toronto, moving out Kerfoot isn't enough. Heck, moving out Kerfoot and Engvall probably isn't enough. Don't get me wrong, as a Leaf fan, I'd love to add him, I just don't see how you make the money work.

Any contending team could add Jeannot if they had / were willing to part with the draft pick capital that Tampa did. The same cannot be said for Anderson.

That being said, Carolina IMO would be a good destination for him -- but not at Jeannot's price.

 

[HabbyGuy]

One of the reasons Jeannot got what he did is because he's 25 years old, only 152 games under his belt (viewed as a potential late bloomer), and making only $800k this year, is an extremely digestable add for any team at or near the cap.

Anderson doesn't have those same luxuries. He's only 28, but guys who play the way Anderson does don't tend to have the best longevity. He's played ~450 games, so is more likely to be "what he is" at this point, and he's got 4 years left at $5.5m.

Unless Montreal is going to retain (highly unlikely), most of the good teams would have to subtract a piece they really don't want to in order fit him in for this year.

For Toronto, moving out Kerfoot isn't enough. Heck, moving out Kerfoot and Engvall probably isn't enough. Don't get me wrong, as a Leaf fan, I'd love to add him, I just don't see how you make the money work.

Any contending team could add Jeannot if they had / were willing to part with the draft pick capital that Tampa did. The same cannot be said for Anderson.

That being said, Carolina IMO would be a good destination for him -- but not at Jeannot's price.

Absolutely, a TDL transaction involving Anderson is highly unlikely due to financial restraints of contenders who would want him. Which is perfectly fine with the Habs as they're in no rush whatsoever to move him. But for people to come in here and say he has no value or even worse negative value is just ridiculous.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Chuck Fletcher would probably do Farabee and 2 1sts for him.... if not more. Hes the kinda guy Chuck loves and he has history with Torts. He will be a Flyer.

 

[HuGort]

Chuck Fletcher would probably do Farabee and 2 1sts for him.... if not more. Hes the kinda guy Chuck loves and he has history with Torts. He will be a Flyer.

Anderson is your typical Flyer. Big and fast, can fight, leads his team in hits, will pot 20 goals

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

One of the reasons Jeannot got what he did is because he's 25 years old, only 152 games under his belt (viewed as a potential late bloomer), and making only $800k this year, is an extremely digestable add for any team at or near the cap.

Anderson doesn't have those same luxuries. He's only 28, but guys who play the way Anderson does don't tend to have the best longevity. He's played ~450 games, so is more likely to be "what he is" at this point, and he's got 4 years left at $5.5m.

Unless Montreal is going to retain (highly unlikely), most of the good teams would have to subtract a piece they really don't want to in order fit him in for this year.

For Toronto, moving out Kerfoot isn't enough. Heck, moving out Kerfoot and Engvall probably isn't enough. Don't get me wrong, as a Leaf fan, I'd love to add him, I just don't see how you make the money work.

Any contending team could add Jeannot if they had / were willing to part with the draft pick capital that Tampa did. The same cannot be said for Anderson.

That being said, Carolina IMO would be a good destination for him -- but not at Jeannot's price.

And that is why he would get a 1st + a prospect or another draft choice as opposed to 5 draft picks. Of course the acquiring team would have to have the cap space.

 

[Voight]

But then it doesn’t make any sense at all to inflate his alleged value when you don’t want to trade the guy.



Yeah, I do remember Habs fans being laughed at by 31 other fanbase about how insiders knows nothing, were wrong and that Chiarot would be lucky to even get a 3rd rounder

Its just grandstanding. He's trying to come across like Anderson is highly sought after and hoping another GM believes his charade, then gives up a 1st and whatever else.

 

[Tanknation]

He was signed in hopes that he would replicate and improve on his nearly 30 goal 50 point performance in his last year in Columbus. He has not remotely approached that yet. He is given first line duties and 1st PP and still doesn't produce to the standard he set in Columbus.

By 1st line you mean 3rd line with scrubs every year. By 1st PP you mean 2nd.

Clearly you are talking out of your a** and have no clue where Anderson even plays in our lineup.

Next time you post at least try and have a clue.