Value of: Josh Anderson

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Jeannot is not Anderson and Anderson is not Jeannot. You're trying to tie them together too much. Jeannot has 0 playoff goals. Doesn't skate as well as Anderson.

Tell that to your Habs fan pals who have managed to pull of some crazy mental gymnastics into linking the two together non stop in this thread.


Andersons contract absolutely is awful. If it wasn't, the Habs would have traded him for the return Habs fans think he's worth at some point in the last 3 years that his name has been in the trade market literally non stop.


The reality is just like Chris Johnston said. These rumors coming out of Montreal are just trying to drum up interest for a player that the rest of the league simply isn't very interested in.

 

[stevo61]

Jeannot is younger, cheaper, much more physical, no injury history and while the offense has dried up this year thats still a valuable piece. Its a player Tampa values and so they were willing to pay whatever price needed it seemed.

Anderson is a player teams would like if they had him but not a player I expect anyone to be in a hurry to see teams pay a premium for. It only takes 1 team to believe in a player enough to overpay so I suppose its possible but its doubtful. As a Columbus fan Ive seen his best years and love the player but I wouldnt want my team to send a huge package out the door for him

 

[5cotland]

It's not worth $3M or less either. Truth is in the middle. Personally, I really don't care what fans on HF boards say about Anderson. GM's are indeed calling the Habs about Anderson but our price is high. We like him so it will take pry away offers. Low % that happens? Sure, we are happy to keep him for his prime.

If the Habs are really serious about moving him, we can retain down to $4M and that gains interests. This is about cap space issues more than Anderson sucks.

For the record, There was some credible reports that said a 1st was offered for Anderson and Gorton/Hughes declined.

A first is an overpayment for Anderson with that contract.

Habs will get a disappointing return if he gets traded as no contender is going to take his salary on. Habs wont retain for 6 years either.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A first is an overpayment for Anderson with that contract.

Habs will get a disappointing return if he gets traded as no contender is going to take his salary on. Habs wont retain for 6 years either.

Not really cause there was a GM who offered it and we declined. Don't fool yourself, the Habs fan base has been shopping Anderson but our Management is not.

On HF boards, Habs fans are trying to trade him but in reality, Habs are the ones who are getting phone calls about Anderson. Not the other way around.

Tell that to your Habs fan pals who have managed to pull of some crazy mental gymnastics into linking the two together non stop in this thread.


Andersons contract absolutely is awful. If it wasn't, the Habs would have traded him for the return Habs fans think he's worth at some point in the last 3 years that his name has been in the trade market literally non stop.


The reality is just like Chris Johnston said. These rumors coming out of Montreal are just trying to drum up interest for a player that the rest of the league simply isn't very interested in.

Habs fan base is not that united. There are a lot of fans in our herd that are guilty of shopping Anderson over and over again. Our management is not shopping him and we are the ones getting the phone calls where it has been reported that we declined a 1st.

Anderson's contract is not awful. It's neither a value contract or a bad contract. I stand firm. You won't move me off of this. It's not that easy to find a guy with his size and skating and a 20-25 goal threat. Someone who has multiple gears to his game and is well suited for playoff style hockey. But you can tell me how many points he has if you wish

 

[Frank Drebin]

A first is an overpayment for Anderson with that contract.

Habs will get a disappointing return if he gets traded as no contender is going to take his salary on. Habs wont retain for 6 years either.

You are correct on one part of that post. I just don't see how you can be so certain about the rest. We've seen much more ridiculous deals in the past for lesser players.

 

[Legend123]

Not really cause there was a GM who offered it and we declined. Don't fool yourself, the Habs fan base has been shopping Anderson but our Management is not.

On HF boards, Habs fans are trying to trade him but in reality, Habs are the ones who are getting phone calls about Anderson. Not the other way around.



Habs fan base is not that united. There are a lot of fans in our herd that are guilty of shopping Anderson over and over again. Our management is not shopping him and we are the ones getting the phone calls where it has been reported that we declined a 1st.

Anderson's contract is not awful. It's neither a value contract or a bad contract. I stand firm. You won't move me off of this. It's not that easy to find a guy with his size and skating and a 20-25 goal threat. Someone who has multiple gears to his game and is well suited for playoff style hockey. But you can tell me how many points he has if you wish

5.5M for JA is pretty bad given he does nothing for 3 to 4 games outta every 5 games

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Anderson wont be traded this deadline hes more of an off-season move and hes contract isnt horrible like some people are saying hes maybe overpaid abit but he brings something teams love and want im sure theres a market for him

 

[Snowman]

I can't see any team, other than bad teams just trying to reach the cap floor, viewing Anderson as anything more than he is. A pure, outright, deadweight, cap dump.

If he was a rental he might have minimal value, but his contract is far too much for a bad player.

Montreal would absolutely need to retain or take back similar bad contracts in terms of dollars and term, maybe both, if they are to have any hopes of dumping him.

 

[MisterT]

A first is an overpayment for Anderson with that contract.

Habs will get a disappointing return if he gets traded as no contender is going to take his salary on. Habs wont retain for 6 years either.

I think Anderson and a 2023 1st for FC is close to move that contract.

 

[Some Other Flame]

lol no team was willing to move a top prospect for Timo Fricken' Meiers but clearly they'll bend over backwards for Josh Anderson

An organization might get stupid and throw a pile of quantity and B/C level assets for Anderson. But seriously expecting top prospects is just insanity

 

[Habs Halifax]

5.5M for JA is pretty bad given he does nothing for 3 to 4 games outta every 5 games

That's what middle 6F are though and he brings much more value than points. What do you think the NHL is? $8M+ for top end players and players below them are suppose to be paid $3M or less? Nobody is allowed to be paid in the middle of that?

No doubt Anderson can be frustrating at times cause he is not consistent. However, when he is on his game and playing an important role, he is very valuable. You see the results when he plays with Suzuki and then you see the meh results when he is not and gets a center like Dvorak. Go look at Wilson's stats when he is not playing in the Caps top 6. Or even Bunting when he is not playing with Tavares or Matthews.

Anderson is undervalued and there is untapped potential. Other than Suzuki, name me the best center he has played with in his career? That's the oversight here... Fans look at Hyman who puts up real good numbers with the Leafs or Oilers but don't consider that he would look like Anderson on the Habs. Hyman was smart to sign with the Oilers. There are so many players who look better depending on who they play with. That's what Middle 6F are.

 

[stevo61]

Anderson wont be traded this deadline hes more of an off-season move and hes contract isnt horrible like some people are saying hes maybe overpaid abit but he brings something teams love and want im sure theres a market for him

Hes overpaid in the sense that these young power forwards Tampa is paying premiums for are all in the 2's or lower on their current deals. If they price themselves out they walk like Coleman and Goodrow or they look for guys with very valuable deals like Hagel. Jeannot probably fits in like Paul where they can get him signed with term for cheap. They can basically fit Paul+Jeannot in their lineup for the salary of Anderson, thats where the value comes from

 

[Voight]

4 more years in a growing cap at $5.5M for prime years. Age 29-32 years. For a player who has size, is physical, skates very well, and has a very good shot.

Stop trying to make this out like he is singed from 32-35 and is a declining asset.

I'd be open to retention down to $4M (or we take back a 1-2 year contract offsetting his AAV). Not because he sucks, but because we still have one more flat cap season to go. If that doesn't gain interest, we just wait for the cap to grow. Anderson is not going to digress in his prime bud.



His value is not points. It's 20-25 goal threat and a very big body that plays physical, skates very well and has a great shot. Frees up space for his line mates. If you don't know this, you really don't know anything about the player.

Lets not pretend that big physical boys that skates well and has a good shot is not a target in the NHL. Size don't matter anymore? Sure, you go look at your points

Sure. But he's had health issues and is locoed in a noticeable cap hit. Its not like hes making $3mil/year here.

Most contenders are unlikely to have cap space to fit in such a large cap hit. He's good but not to the point where teams will move heaven and earth to acquire him.

 

[HuGort]

A first is an overpayment for Anderson with that contract.

Habs will get a disappointing return if he gets traded as no contender is going to take his salary on. Habs wont retain for 6 years either.

Habs already turned down a first for Anderson. That was about 2 months ago. He'll go double that 100 times out of a 100. If the Habs trade Anderson? They could hang onto him for another year and trade him then. His value likely go up.

Physical players command such ridiculous trade value because they hard to play against in playoffs. Plus So few available, most teams need them. Most GMs go for skill, making their team too soft.

Playing against Oilers, Leafs, Flames, Devil's this season you can tell they are too soft. To name just few teams. Not going to be around long in playoffs.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Hes overpaid in the sense that these young power forwards Tampa is paying premiums for are all in the 2's or lower on their current deals. If they price themselves out they walk like Coleman and Goodrow or they look for guys with very valuable deals like Hagel. Jeannot probably fits in like Paul where they can get him signed with term for cheap. They can basically fit Paul+Jeannot in their lineup for the salary of Anderson, thats where the value comes from

maybe your right one thing is for sure i dont believe the rumours that theres plenty of interest in him and that Hughes refused a 1st + for him but i do think some teams would be interested in Anderson but a contract would have to comeback dont think MTL will retain for 4 more years

and whats with this Anderson isnt healthy hes barely missed any games since joining the habs

 

[jfhabs]

Context matters. Read the whole post rather then picking 1 sentence.

I read the whole post and it's out of touch from Montreal pov

 

[5cotland]

Not really cause there was a GM who offered it and we declined. Don't fool yourself, the Habs fan base has been shopping Anderson but our Management is not.

On HF boards, Habs fans are trying to trade him but in reality, Habs are the ones who are getting phone calls about Anderson. Not the other way around.



Habs fan base is not that united. There are a lot of fans in our herd that are guilty of shopping Anderson over and over again. Our management is not shopping him and we are the ones getting the phone calls where it has been reported that we declined a 1st.

Anderson's contract is not awful. It's neither a value contract or a bad contract. I stand firm. You won't move me off of this. It's not that easy to find a guy with his size and skating and a 20-25 goal threat. Someone who has multiple gears to his game and is well suited for playoff style hockey. But you can tell me how many points he has if you wish

Well a GM offered a 2nd round pick for Vitali Kravtsov a few months back and it was rejected.

Sometimes the deal on the table is the best one to take because your more than likely not going to get a better one.

Hughes literally prevented himself pulling a heist on whoever offered that 1st rounder and I dont think any offer close to that will be offered again.

 

[jfhabs]

Tell that to your Habs fan pals who have managed to pull of some crazy mental gymnastics into linking the two together non stop in this thread.


Andersons contract absolutely is awful. If it wasn't, the Habs would have traded him for the return Habs fans think he's worth at some point in the last 3 years that his name has been in the trade market literally non stop.


The reality is just like Chris Johnston said. These rumors coming out of Montreal are just trying to drum up interest for a player that the rest of the league simply isn't very interested in.

Since when Johnston is a more relevant insider then LeBrun, Friedman and a bunch of others saying the Habs turned down a 1st?

 

[5cotland]

Habs already turned down a first for Anderson. That was about 2 months ago. He'll go double that 100 times out of a 100. If the Habs trade Anderson? They could hang onto him for another year and trade him then. His value likely go up.

Physical players command such ridiculous trade value because they hard to play against in playoffs. Plus So few available, most teams need them. Most GMs go for skill, making their team too soft.

Playing against Oilers, Leafs, Flames, Devil's this season you can tell they are too soft. To name just few teams. Not going to be around long in playoffs.

Shall we make a wager that Anderson does not get traded for 2x 1st round picks.

It is double what the original offer was and you said 100/100 times this is what he will go for.

 

[jfhabs]

Well a GM offered a 2nd round pick for Vitali Kravtsov a few months back and it was rejected.

Sometimes the deal on the table is the best one to take because your more than likely not going to get a better one.

Hughes literally prevented himself pulling a heist on whoever offered that 1st rounder and I dont think any offer close to that will be offered again.

The difference with Kravstov and Anderson is Kravstov was playing like shit and couldn't take the opportunities given to him. Anderson has been playing very well since Christmas.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

.


Habs fan base is not that united. There are a lot of fans in our herd that are guilty of shopping Anderson over and over again. Our management is not shopping him and we are the ones getting the phone calls where it has been reported that we declined a 1st.

Anderson's contract is not awful. It's neither a value contract or a bad contract. I stand firm. You won't move me off of this. It's not that easy to find a guy with his size and skating and a 20-25 goal threat. Someone who has multiple gears to his game and is well suited for playoff style hockey. But you can tell me how many points he has if you wish

You are flat out wrong. Simple as that.

His contract is literally among the worst in the league.

 

[Seachd]

Since when Johnston is a more relevant insider then LeBrun, Friedman and a bunch of others saying the Habs turned down a 1st?

He’s always been as good as any of them. Why’s he worse? Because he says something you don’t like?

You know GMs can change their minds, right?

 

[HuGort]

Shall we make a wager that Anderson does not get traded for 2x 1st round picks.

It is double what the original offer was and you said 100/100 times this is what he will go for.

If Montreal trades Anderson? That's big question? Not what they get for him. They could hang onto him and trade him a year or two from now. His value likely be higher then. Anderson is good protection for our small finesse players. It is 50/50 Montreal deals him now, or in a year?

Jeannot has 5 goals in 56 games, Anderson much superior player with 17 goals in 57 games. On top of that, Habs can take bad contract back. So, those that say his contract is an issue? It clearly is not. Montreal have 25 million coming off their cap at seasons end. If they deal Anderson.

 

[5cotland]

The difference with Kravstov and Anderson is Kravstov was playing like shit and couldn't take the opportunities given to him. Anderson has been playing very well since Christmas.

Playing well and being a 30 point player isnt what a team paying you $5.5m wants.

They want high point production for that salary and Anderson does not give them that.

 

[Legend123]

That's what middle 6F are though and he brings much more value than points. What do you think the NHL is? $8M+ for top end players and players below them are suppose to be paid $3M or less? Nobody is allowed to be paid in the middle of that?

No doubt Anderson can be frustrating at times cause he is not consistent. However, when he is on his game and playing an important role, he is very valuable. You see the results when he plays with Suzuki and then you see the meh results when he is not and gets a center like Dvorak. Go look at Wilson's stats when he is not playing in the Caps top 6. Or even Bunting when he is not playing with Tavares or Matthews.

Anderson is undervalued and there is untapped potential. Other than Suzuki, name me the best center he has played with in his career? That's the oversight here... Fans look at Hyman who puts up real good numbers with the Leafs or Oilers but don't consider that he would look like Anderson on the Habs. Hyman was smart to sign with the Oilers. There are so many players who look better depending on who they play with. That's what Middle 6F are.

Thats alot of 'ifs' If he had good linemates... if he produced more... if he wasnt so inconsistent... Even if all these 'ifs' were true there is still no guarantee he would produce more and be more consistent. I would not pay JA more than 4M per year. So to me he's 1.5M overpaid.

BTW, its been proven again and again that not all players produce when playing with good players. Thats why chemistry is more important.

Bottom line, as long as he plays 1 good game out of 5 I would never want him on my team even at the 4M I mentioned