Value of: Josh Anderson

[Habs Halifax]

I wouldnt go as far as some to say that Anderson is untouchable, but it would take an overpayment to get him.
Something like Patch's return?

I would not trade him for the Patch return. Why? Hope is not a good plan.
* I don't want a cap dump in Tatar hoping he rebounds like that
* I don't want a B+ prospect where we hope he turns into a Grade A and then a very good 2C. That's a very rare exception
* I don't just want a 2nd rounder.

Patch was a pending UFA trade (full season type). Anderson is signed through prime years and a power forward with skating like that is very difficult to acquire. Think higher in terms of overpayment. You like Suzuki but he was not a sure shot prospect at the time of when we traded for him. Actually, he was a very good B+ prospect but a RW/C type. His development is a very rare exception

 

[jfhabs]

People are predictably getting excited about Anderson again because of he's been hotter lately but that guy doesn't have great IQ, is brittle and more importantly, is frustratingly inconsistent.
He will come down to earth soon, at which point people will again want unload him.

I don't think he is garbage. I like him. But considering where the team is right now, he's the kind of asset we should be looking to move while he has plenty of value.

That's if Gorton and Hughes intend to operate a proper rebuild, which I am increasingly doubting.



Funny, because it's not like Anderson was particularly great during our playoff run a few months ago.

He was constantly good in the playoffs last year. He wasn't put in a role to produce much offensively, but did score some big goals and played physical while playing grrat defensively.

 

[habsfan44]

40-50 points per season…When?
He broke 40 points, once, 3 seasons ago and only broke 30 one other time, in 2017/18. Every other season has been below 30.
5.5m AAV, for 5 more seasons, for 20+ points, is a bit high

If that's all you can see maybe you're a bit high . He played under Torts' on the third line , had a ruined season because of shoulder injury/surgery , then two covid shortened seasons but you want to pretend that none of this factored into his production . 20+ goals 20+ assists and 40+ points isn't an unreasonable expectation in a full season for a player like Anderson , add in intangibles like size and speed and how he uses it to cause turnovers and strike fear into opposing defensemen and he's easily worth his contract , both money and term .

 

[herzausstein]

47 points with Columbus and on pace 43 points this year.

The op seems to indicate that he would be a consistent 40-50 points. He’s only topped 40 once and while he’s on pace to top 40 again a lot can happen to have him drop below that pace. He’s had a few years with a 37-39 point pace though so it may be a bit nitpicky tbh. I think he’d be better described as 35-45 point player as that’s closer to where he’s been on average.

I know production isn’t everything so I won’t comment on his contract value as I haven’t watched him play enough to get an idea on things that don’t show up on the scoresheet.

 

[habsfan44]

Yzerman quote when the Blue Jackets upset them... "We had no answers for Anderson". Then you come along and look at his 3 pts in 10 games and say he is a ghost in the playoffs.

Just face it, you don't even watch him in the playoffs. You know what this reminds me of? Patch sucks in the playoffs so his value sucks. Remember those obsessive posters when the Habs were shopping Patch?

Let's not forget the posters who told us how terrible the Subban trade was for us , many of them are the same ones who are now telling us that Chiarot is worthless and only looked good because he was carried by the very same player they mocked and ridiculed at the time of the trade . I laugh in their general direction and you should too .

 

[Habs Halifax]

Let's not forget the posters who told us how terrible the Subban trade was for us , many of them are the same ones who are now telling us that Chiarot is worthless and only looked good because he was carried by the very same player they mocked and ridiculed at the time of the trade . I laugh in their general direction and you should too .

Cancer culture is at play on these boards. Way too many posters with belittle and devalue attempts talking like they are absolute facts where they are guess type opinions that may or may not be true as time moves forward.

In terms of Chiarot, I like to put myself in the other teams shoes and I probably do not trade a 1st. If I was a legit contender (like Tampa), I would be more willing to dig into futures to ensure all the holes are addressed for another cup run but fringe playoff teams that might loose in the 1st round or 2nd, I would steer clear of trading valuable futures like that.

In terms of Anderson. Even some in our own fan base are undervaluing him. He's a keeper in my books.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

You're undervaluing Anderson cause you are stat checking. These types of players are guys you want to play with vs against. Look at what he is doing with Caufield and Suzuki where MSL has him playing in a consistent spot? Julien and Ducharme yoyoed guys around the line-up too much.

Except for maybe 2 games, I've watched all Habs games since Anderson joined the team. I've also watch him several times with the Blue Jackets, including the four games where they swept the Lightning, None of what I mentioned had anything to do with stats, btw. Maybe you're out of argument? I'm not stat watching, but maybe you are, and also cherry-picking based on avery small sample under a new coach.

But anyways, that's beside the point. I doubt our evaluation of Anderson is as different as you pretend, unless you know very little hockey. We both know he can bring an interesting dimension the team. The really question is whether the Habs plan on hovering again around the second tier of the league for a decade, or if they want to really sell valuable assets and attempt a real rebuild, get a quality core that grows together and surround it with appropriate players at the right time.

I'm sure if Josh Anderson doesn't go on one of his typical snooze period (that happen way too often and risk increasing in the coming years) he can help a contender for the next 2-3 years. If we can get quality assets for a rebuild, we should be all over this, instead of once again patching things up and watching our better players waste their better years and become disgruntled cap anchors or non-factors.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Except for maybe 2 games, I've watched all Habs games since Anderson joined the team. I've also watch him several times with the Blue Jackets, including the four games where they swept the Lightning, None of what I mentioned had anything to do with stats, btw. Maybe you're out of argument? I'm not stat watching, but maybe you are, and also cherry-picking based on avery small sample under a new coach.

But anyways, that's beside the point. I doubt our evaluation of Anderson is as different as you pretend, unless you know very little hockey. We both know he can bring an interesting dimension the team. The really question is whether the Habs plan on hovering again around the second tier of the league for a decade, or if they want to really sell valuable assets and attempt a real rebuild, get a quality core that grows together and surround it with appropriate players at the right time.

I'm sure if Josh Anderson doesn't go on one of his typical snooze period (that happen way too often and risk increasing in the coming years) he can help a contender for the next 2-3 years. If we can get quality assets for a rebuild, we should be all over this, instead of once again patching things up and watching our better players waste their better years and become disgruntled cap anchors or non-factors.

I'm with Gorton/Hughes/MSL and how they feel about Anderson. I even had that opinion before they were hired and have spoken to context about how he is valued to the Habs. Nothing new to say than I already said. I stand firm and you didn't provide me anything I already don't know

 

[FerrisRox]

Let's not forget the posters who told us how terrible the Subban trade was for us , many of them are the same ones who are now telling us that Chiarot is worthless and only looked good because he was carried by the very same player they mocked and ridiculed at the time of the trade . I laugh in their general direction and you should too .

This is generally the same group who have spent the last few years saying Carey Price was garbage, really only had "one good year" and was an albatross that would sink the Canadiens. Then, strangely, when he backstopped the team to the Stanley Cup Final, they said Montreal was garbage and only made it there because of Carey Price. Wait... what?

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

If that's all you can see maybe you're a bit high . He played under Torts' on the third line , had a ruined season because of shoulder injury/surgery , then two covid shortened seasons but you want to pretend that none of this factored into his production . 20+ goals 20+ assists and 40+ points isn't an unreasonable expectation in a full season for a player like Anderson , add in intangibles like size and speed and how he uses it to cause turnovers and strike fear into opposing defensemen and he's easily worth his contract , both money and term .

He played 18 minutes/game in 17-18 - Played 370 minutes with Panarin/Dubois, 87 with Jenner/Dubinsky
17 minutes/game in 18-19 - played 475 minutes with Foligno/Jenner
16 minutes/game in 19-20 which was the year he only played 26 games. - 63 minutes with Foligno/Jenner
He also played significant powerplay and PK time in those 3 seasons. He received significant time on the top 2 lines in Columbus, unless Panarin, Foligno, Jenner etc were 3rd liners.

I don't disagree that he also received time on the 3rd or even 4th lines under Torts, he does like to mix/match his lines a lot based on who's in his doghouse during a given period but he played a lot of time in the top 6 also until the playoffs.

 

[habsfan44]

He played 18 minutes/game in 17-18 - Played 370 minutes with Panarin/Dubois, 87 with Jenner/Dubinsky
17 minutes/game in 18-19 - played 475 minutes with Foligno/Jenner
16 minutes/game in 19-20 which was the year he only played 26 games. - 63 minutes with Foligno/Jenner
He also played significant powerplay and PK time in those 3 seasons. He received significant time on the top 2 lines in Columbus, unless Panarin, Foligno, Jenner etc were 3rd liners.

I don't disagree that he also received time on the 3rd or even 4th lines under Torts, he does like to mix/match his lines a lot based on who's in his doghouse during a given period but he played a lot of time in the top 6 also until the playoffs.

I could be wrong but at the time I think guys like Jenner , Foligno and dubinsky were third liners and Dubois certainly wasn't a top line center then either . If I recall correctly the Bluejackets were a team in search of a top line center and he was kind of rushed into the role , but where Anderson played and who he played with wasn't the entirety of my point .

 

[habsfan44]

This is generally the same group who have spent the last few years saying Carey Price was garbage, really only had "one good year" and was an albatross that would sink the Canadiens. Then, strangely, when he backstopped the team to the Stanley Cup Final, they said Montreal was garbage and only made it there because of Carey Price. Wait... what?

EXACTLY ! No matter what the Habs do the lunatic fringe will always be there to tell us how terrible it was , is or is going to be .

 

[habsfan44]

Except for maybe 2 games, I've watched all Habs games since Anderson joined the team. I've also watch him several times with the Blue Jackets, including the four games where they swept the Lightning, None of what I mentioned had anything to do with stats, btw. Maybe you're out of argument? I'm not stat watching, but maybe you are, and also cherry-picking based on avery small sample under a new coach.

But anyways, that's beside the point. I doubt our evaluation of Anderson is as different as you pretend, unless you know very little hockey. We both know he can bring an interesting dimension the team. The really question is whether the Habs plan on hovering again around the second tier of the league for a decade, or if they want to really sell valuable assets and attempt a real rebuild, get a quality core that grows together and surround it with appropriate players at the right time.

I'm sure if Josh Anderson doesn't go on one of his typical snooze period (that happen way too often and risk increasing in the coming years) he can help a contender for the next 2-3 years. If we can get quality assets for a rebuild, we should be all over this, instead of once again patching things up and watching our better players waste their better years and become disgruntled cap anchors or non-factors.

If you're expecting Gorton & CO. to sell anything & everything for picks and prospects so they can have top five picks for the next 3 4 or 5 years you are going to be sorely disappointed . I think it's more likely they want to compete for a playoff spot as early as next year and build out from there .

 

[Jeune Poulet]

If you're expecting Gorton & CO. to sell anything & everything for picks and prospects so they can have top five picks for the next 3 4 or 5 years you are going to be sorely disappointed . I think it's more likely they want to compete for a playoff spot as early as next year and build out from there .

I think some of Lebrun's recent rumors have been blown out of proportion and put a bit out of context. I doubt they would be stupid enough to think a reasonable plan would include competing for a playoff spot next season but nothing would surprise me with these guys.

And no, I don't think we should aim for a 4-5 year plan. But at the very least, we need to press pause for a significant enough period of time to reassess everything, and acquire new assets. We should realize that not even 4 months ago, some of the people in charge were still acting like this team just needed some tweaks to contend again (lol).

I can't pretend to know what these guys will do, but this habit of just patching things up and competing is just a never ending cycle of stupidity. We need to give it a legit full season where the focus is on development, scouting, drafting and younger guys. And next season is ideal for that. If Molson and the cronies-style management we have put in charge can't even start one season with building in mind, I think I give up hope they will ever learn. And no, this season where they are making things up as they go doesn't count. Especially while we have poisonous players like Petry disgracing the uniform.

 

[waitin425]

WE ARE NOT TRADING ANDY.

 

[MSSLYNX]

WE ARE NOT TRADING ANDY.

I hear you. .. thing is nobody asked for him. OP is Habs fan.

 

[crowi]

I hope HF adds a COPIUM emote with this new site. Even if I massively dislike Twitch and such. It would have a lot of uses here.

 

[habsfan44]

I think some of Lebrun's recent rumors have been blown out of proportion and put a bit out of context. I doubt they would be stupid enough to think a reasonable plan would include competing for a playoff spot next season but nothing would surprise me with these guys.

And no, I don't think we should aim for a 4-5 year plan. But at the very least, we need to press pause for a significant enough period of time to reassess everything, and acquire new assets. We should realize that not even 4 months ago, some of the people in charge were still acting like this team just needed some tweaks to contend again (lol).

I can't pretend to know what these guys will do, but this habit of just patching things up and competing is just a never ending cycle of stupidity. We need to give it a legit full season where the focus is on development, scouting, drafting and younger guys. And next season is ideal for that. If Molson and the cronies-style management we have put in charge can't even start one season with building in mind, I think I give up hope they will ever learn. And no, this season where they are making things up as they go doesn't count. Especially while we have poisonous players like Petry disgracing the uniform.

IMO a team with good young players already in place combined with young veterans and a sprinkling of older vets , then add to that an abundance of young prospects in the pipe and a boatload of picks in both this years and next years draft , this team seems poised for a quick turn around . I think this is preferable to the tear down and build back better approach that can take years and possibly instill a losing culture amongst the kids and tends to fail more often than it succeeds . I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens .

 

[HuGort]

Except for maybe 2 games, I've watched all Habs games since Anderson joined the team. I've also watch him several times with the Blue Jackets, including the four games where they swept the Lightning, None of what I mentioned had anything to do with stats, btw. Maybe you're out of argument? I'm not stat watching, but maybe you are, and also cherry-picking based on avery small sample under a new coach.

But anyways, that's beside the point. I doubt our evaluation of Anderson is as different as you pretend, unless you know very little hockey. We both know he can bring an interesting dimension the team. The really question is whether the Habs plan on hovering again around the second tier of the league for a decade, or if they want to really sell valuable assets and attempt a real rebuild, get a quality core that grows together and surround it with appropriate players at the right time.

I'm sure if Josh Anderson doesn't go on one of his typical snooze period (that happen way too often and risk increasing in the coming years) he can help a contender for the next 2-3 years. If we can get quality assets for a rebuild, we should be all over this, instead of once again patching things up and watching our better players waste their better years and become disgruntled cap anchors or non-factors.

Habs have to sell tickets next few years. It's a balance between that and trading Anderson at his high. He's soon be 28, oft injured and plays physical game.

Trade him is a loaded question. Tricky situation. But if I got over payment, chance they may, I would move Anderson.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

From the Pens, I'd throw something like POJ + Kapanen for Anderson (and a later pick)

As a Pens fan, I am frustrated seeing POJ barely getting a fair shot and he's looked great in his games, he's ready at this point, the AHL is just a waste for his skills at this stage. I know he's a hometown kid for Montreal so that would be enticing, but he could be a legit top 4 pairing stud and the Pens will likely never give him a shot with the JR add of Matheson and then Pettersson also being there, if Letang stays then Dumoulin won't be getting moved anytime soon.

Kapanen will never figure it out with his usage in Pittsburgh. I like Kap, but since the coach refuses to put him with Sid and Rust with Geno, whats the point?

POJ would probably blow up in Montreal. Wouldn't doubt it. I really like the lad, as someone that is also mixed race like POJ, would have loved to see him thrive on my fav team, but it doesn't appear to be happening with this coach.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Took us 25 years since we traded LeClair to have a power forward who can score and countless wasted draft picks trying to find it, he’s about as untouchable as you get on Montreal

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Kapanen will never figure it out with his usage in Pittsburgh. I like Kap, but since the coach refuses to put him with Sid and Rust with Geno, whats the point?

Why is putting Kapanen with Crosby the key to Kapanen 'figuring it out'?

 

[habsfan44]

From the Pens, I'd throw something like POJ + Kapanen for Anderson (and a later pick)

As a Pens fan, I am frustrated seeing POJ barely getting a fair shot and he's looked great in his games, he's ready at this point, the AHL is just a waste for his skills at this stage. I know he's a hometown kid for Montreal so that would be enticing, but he could be a legit top 4 pairing stud and the Pens will likely never give him a shot with the JR add of Matheson and then Pettersson also being there, if Letang stays then Dumoulin won't be getting moved anytime soon.

Kapanen will never figure it out with his usage in Pittsburgh. I like Kap, but since the coach refuses to put him with Sid and Rust with Geno, whats the point?

POJ would probably blow up in Montreal. Wouldn't doubt it. I really like the lad, as someone that is also mixed race like POJ, would have loved to see him thrive on my fav team, but it doesn't appear to be happening with this coach.

There's a reason why Joseph isn't in the NHL and Kapanen doesn't play on the top line with Crosby and it has nothing to do with the coach . Very easy pass from the Habs in my opinion .

 

[Honour Over Glory]

There's a reason why Joseph isn't in the NHL and Kapanen doesn't play on the top line with Crosby and it has nothing to do with the coach . Very easy pass from the Habs in my opinion .

Yeah there is and you definitely don’t understand it.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Why is putting Kapanen with Crosby the key to Kapanen 'figuring it out'?

Because he plays better with Sid than he has with anyone this season and if you looked at the Pens past the record you'd see the depth scoring isn't as strong as it could be. When a player is having confidence issues but is still playing hard and he looked good with a line mate, you put him back there and let him get back to it. Not beat him down. Kap has been struggling but he's put up decent stats given that.