Value of: Josh Anderson

[The Great Weal]

Ya Josh Anderson has the worst contract in sports history and he's the worst athlete ever, we will gladly keep him thanks

 

[Habs Halifax]

Does he still have troubles with the same shoulder?

I don't see any evidence of that. He's still playing physical and his shot is dangerous. He's not a perfect power forward but if he was, he would have been paid like E Kane was when the Sharks signed him. History has derailed that with Kane but he's a dam good power forward.

These big boys that skate well and can shoot the puck are not easy to acquire. Habs have been looking for years. Call us crazy but we are totally fine with having him around for the entire duration of that contract.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

He'd have some value for a competitor, but I suspect Montreal would need to take a contract back. Vegas with Dadonov going the other way as part of the deal was the first that came to mind

 

[Habs Halifax]

One of those players that passes the eye test, he's very noticeable on the ice, he just doesn't translate it into a lot of points. Probably a little overpaid, but a guy most teams would take.

Fair. Overpaid today but not in the back half of that contract when the cap rises. That's basically what you got to do when you go for term.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He'd have some value for a competitor, but I suspect Montreal would need to take a contract back. Vegas with Dadonov going the other way as part of the deal was the first that came to mind

Knights have nothing in their pool left for us to value. The price for Anderson is high and other fans can call us crazy all they want. We are not shopping Anderson like we were with Toffoli. We could take a contract back but that increases the price tag if it's a guy like Dadonov

Some context:
* Hughes has said that Anderson is a keeper. Will take pry away value for us to consider trading him
* MSL has said he wants the Caufield / Suzuki / Anderson like to stay for a very long time.

Don't get confused. There are some Habs fans who want to trade Anderson but they are a minority

 

[Viqsi]

It's the other way around. His $5.5M AAV is going to look very good in the back half of that contract when the cap rises significantly in 2/3 years.

Pay attention to the terms that are being awarded recently. NHL GM's who sign guys past 2/3 years are going to pay big time for those UFA years when the cap is north of $90M.

Signed from age 27-32. Prime years and people think this will not age well?

Bookmark it.

You're assuming he continues to perform at that level as he gets older. Given his style of play and his injury history, said assumption is a pretty significant risk - and one the Jackets weren't about to go for.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

When the cap rises in 2 or 3 years (after the NHLPA pays of their outstanding balance), That Anderson contract will age well when other contracts that are expiring will require hefty raises. Good luck getting a power forward like Anderson in 3/4 years at that cap hit.

A lot of people don't understand that if you sign someone past the flat cap years, the Agent is going to make you pay for those years with a much higher cap hit. This is basically why we gave him $5.5M for 7 years where if we settled for 4 years, it would have been less. But then he's getting more than $5.5M when the cap is $90M+

Remember this... cap was projected to be $84M - $88M (depending on escrow) before Covid came along. And now we have one more team generating revenue with new US TV deals. It's basically why Jones and Nurse got massive long term deals. The agent is not going to play nice in the 3+ years of term.

Makes sense to me, but I'm not someone that needs convincing of his value

 

[Dust]

Fair. Overpaid today but not in the back half of that contract when the cap rises. That's basically what you got to do when you go for term.

I had not seen much of his play prior to the trade, so I think I had the same reaction as most that it was bad overpayment. Having seen more of him now, I can understand more of why they wanted him. Maybe with the coaching change we'll see the chances turn into more points. The potential is there.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You're assuming he continues to perform at that level as he gets older. Given his style of play and his injury history, said assumption is a pretty significant risk - and one the Jackets weren't about to go for.

Age 27-32 is very good mature years. I'm willing to bet on those years

 

[Habs Halifax]

Makes sense to me, but I'm not someone that needs convincing of his value

Sorry, not really directed at you. Just protecting myself cause there are others who can jump into a conversation at any point.

 

[Viqsi]

Age 27-32 is very good mature years. I'm willing to bet on those years

That's your prerogative. Just saying that it is a definite risk, and one that his drafting team didn't want to do. Deciding that said risk is worth it is entirely valid (and frankly, I hope he does manage to stay healthy and committing acts of badassery that long), but it's still going to affect market value unless there's someone else out there who's more bullish on his chances than Montreal is.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I had not seen much of his play prior to the trade, so I think I had the same reaction as most that it was bad overpayment. Having seen more of him now, I can understand more of why they wanted him. Maybe with the coaching change we'll see the chances turn into more points. The potential is there.

He's inconsistent but he shows up when you need him. Been playing much better with Caufield and Suzuki now that MSL is our coach. What would you expect from Anderson when you play him on the 3rd line with guys like Dvorak or KK in the playoffs (who was not a dominate center cause he requires maturity/development).

You put him in the same situation as Wilson with the Caps and you will like what you see. Ducharme was an idiot coach. Lost the room with both the vets and young players so a change had to be made before the off season. The Habs in the playoffs last year were managed by our vets... Price, Weber, Perry, Petry, Toffoli, Eddy, Danault, Gallagher, Staal, etc.

 

[Hunter368]

First and last post I will make in this thread. It won't give you the true value on Anderson IMO.

You sure about that? You’ve been the most active repeat poster in this thread by far.

Just teasing you a bit, no biggie.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's your prerogative. Just saying that it is a definite risk, and one that his drafting team didn't want to do. Deciding that said risk is worth it is entirely valid (and frankly, I hope he does manage to stay healthy and committing acts of badassery that long), but it's still going to affect market value unless there's someone else out there who's more bullish on his chances than Montreal is.

Nah... just a typical contract where you overpaid in the 1st half and benefit in the 2nd half when the cap rises. Age 27-32 years is not 30-36. We have Anderson for prime years and he's not going to fade from 27-32. Those are very solid years for many, many, many players in the NHL.

Do you think the Oilers are dumb for signing Hyman from age 29-35 at $5.5M?

 

[Habs Halifax]

You sure about that? You’ve been the most active repeat poster in this thread by far.

Just teasing you a bit, no biggie.

I can't help myself.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

not much without retention

 

[1909]

Anderson is a keeper in MTL" Habs have no other players like him in their forwards group. Perfect complement to skilled Suzuki and small Caufield.

 

[Viqsi]

Nah... just a typical contract where you overpaid in the 1st half and benefit in the 2nd half when the cap rises. Age 27-32 years is not 30-36. We have Anderson for prime years and he's not going to fade from 27-32.

Do you think the Oilers are dumb for signing Hyman from age 29-35 at $5.5M?

Yes. But I have a low opinion of UFA chasing in general, really.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

40-50 points per season…When?
He broke 40 points, once, 3 seasons ago and only broke 30 one other time, in 2017/18. Every other season has been below 30.
5.5m AAV, for 5 more seasons, for 20+ points, is a bit high

Did you know that there has been a global pandemic that shortened the NHL's last two seasons?

Anderson is pretty comfortably a 35-50pt player under a regular schedule. MUCH closer to 40-50 than he is to 20+.

Anderson's contract will limit his market, but what do you gain from discussing the player disingenuously?

One of those players that passes the eye test, he's very noticeable on the ice, he just doesn't translate it into a lot of points. Probably a little overpaid, but a guy most teams would take.

Outside of his injury season, he's pretty consistently paced around 25 goals per 82 since his sophomore season. His production isn't great, but far from terrible.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes. But I have a low opinion of UFA chasing in general, really.

I'd be way more worried about Hyman from 29-35 than I am with Anderson from 27-32. There is no way the Leafs let Hyman walk if they didn't' have cap trouble.

If Anderson had the same term as Toffoli, I might consider trading him for similar value. Why? Cause I would be very afraid of what he asks for when his contract is up and the salary cap is sky rocketing.

Pay attention to the terms that gets awarded moving forward. Any term more than 3 years is going to be higher than you would expect. As long as Covid becomes a thing of the past. If that keeps popping up every fall, we have a problem and the NHLPA outstanding balance they owe the owners will take longer.

 

[danyhabsfan]

29 goals 45 pts in 92 games with Mtl.


pace of 26 goals and 40 pts per 82 games. He has to stay healthy thought.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Knights have nothing in their pool left for us to value. The price for Anderson is high and other fans can call us crazy all they want. We are not shopping Anderson like we were with Toffoli. We could take a contract back but that increases the price tag if it's a guy like Dadonov

Some context:
* Hughes has said that Anderson is a keeper. Will take pry away value for us to consider trading him
* MSL has said he wants the Caufield / Suzuki / Anderson like to stay for a very long time.

Don't get confused. There are some Habs fans who want to trade Anderson but they are a minority

Don't get me wrong, Montreal shouldn't trade him, keep him and help the younger guys develop until the last year of his contract then trade him. At present I could see him getting a 1st or good prospect back in a deal but without retention he'd not be getting a haul.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Don't get me wrong, Montreal shouldn't trade him, keep him and help the younger guys develop until the last year of his contract then trade him. At present I could see him getting a 1st or good prospect back in a deal but without retention he'd not be getting a haul.

I think he gets a higher return vs Toffoli (if we were to trade him). Retention is not happening with Anderson and we are not shopping him. Only a few Habs fans (minority group) wants to trade him.

Some fans think his term is a negative but I think the opposite cause that $5.5M AAV is going to age well when the cap rises. He's not signed till 35+. Age 27-32 is very good years for many NHL players. I call them maturity years.

 

[PB37]

Yzerman quote when the Blue Jackets upset them... "We had no answers for Anderson". Then you come along and look at his 3 pts in 10 games and say he is a ghost in the playoffs.

Just face it, you don't even watch him in the playoffs. You know what this reminds me of? Patch sucks in the playoffs so his value sucks. Remember those obsessive posters when the Habs were shopping Patch?

I said he was a ghost production wise in the playoffs. He has 8 goals/14 points in 43 playoff games. A guy with his skillset, talent, and now caphit, a team should expect more.

My own team faced Anderson when he was with the Blue Jackets and he was a non factor.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I said he was a ghost production wise in the playoffs. He has 8 goals/14 points in 43 playoff games.

My own team faced Anderson when he was with the Blue Jackets and he was a non factor.

You need to hear it again... Yzerman quote when the Blue Jackets upset Tampa a few years back... "We had no answers for Anderson".

Stats don't reveal the full picture in context and just admit it, you don't watch Habs games. I don't expect a Bruins fans to give any credit to anything the Habs have so there is that too.

I don't care about your "Ghost" narrative in the playoffs. The same BS was said about Patch when we were trying to trade him. You fail in context cause you are stat checking