Player Discussion Josh Anderson - The Rene Bourque Edition

[Max2]

Olympian. Far more than Anderson will ever achieve.

I really f***ing hope we sell high.

And of course if I make the post now, many will think he's great. He's on a hot streak. Just like when I made this thread, many agreed, because he was playing horrific. Remind you of someone? Oh Rene Bourque. When he was on, this forum was wild about him. When he wasn't, this forum hated him.

The actual player is somewhere inbetween. He's got a decent shot, game breaking speed, he's physical enough. Defensively, he's a dumpster fire. And his hockey sense is some of the most poor I've ever seen.

I'd gladly eat crow if his recent run of form becomes the norm. I don't think it will, but I would love if it did. That's one less player we need to worry about for 5 years.

I hope he stays for the duration of his contract,becomes captain and signs another contract afterwards. Excellent player.Glad we have him.

 

[Natey]

I hope he stays for the duration of his contract,becomes captain and signs another contract afterwards. Excellent player.Glad we have him.

If you like playing bad defensive players who score less than 0.5 PPG $5.5 a year .. sure.

 

[Max2]

If you like playing bad defensive players who score less than 0.5 PPG $5.5 a year .. sure.

They are amongst my favourites

 

[417]

If you like playing bad defensive players who score less than 0.5 PPG $5.5 a year .. sure.

I don't personally care about him being bad defensively (nor do I think that's quite accurate).

But 5.5$ a year?

Here are his comparables

Jordan Eberle
Zack Hyman
Jadon Schwartz
Gustav Nyquist
Philippe Danault
Travis Koneckny
Andrew Ladd
Jason Zucker
Bo Horvat
Jonathan Drouin

Josh Anderson isn't perfect, if he was he'd make twice his salary...but there arguably isn't a player on this list i'd take before him.

There's nothing wrong with his salary, it's reflective of his value around the league vs his peers and to this team.

 

[Wats]

I don't personally care about him being bad defensively (nor do I think that's quite accurate).

But 5.5$ a year?

Here are his comparables

Jordan Eberle
Zack Hyman
Jadon Schwartz
Gustav Nyquist
Philippe Danault
Travis Koneckny
Andrew Ladd
Jason Zucker
Bo Horvat
Jonathan Drouin

Josh Anderson isn't perfect, if he was he'd make twice his salary...but there arguably isn't a player on this list i'd take before him.

There's nothing wrong with his salary, it's reflective of his value around the league vs his peers and to this team.

For sure he's not overpaid if he keeps up this level of production, but I feel this sentiment that he's untouchable during a rebuild is too much. He's a complimentary player and if we can get a young player with potential to be a key player (say Lafreniere), you def pull the trigger. He's fun player to have but I feel like people are putting too much weight in his importance to this team's future. He's going to be 28 soon and as we see with Gallagher, these types of hard nose players can break down early 30s.

People wanted Plekanec traded during 2011/12 tank and he was 28/29 C who until Suzuki have struggled to find a replacement after 10+years. Same with Markov, we have yet to really replace him. I feel like they were better holds vs Anderson. More impact and harder to replace.

 

[417]

For sure he's not overpaid if he keeps up this level of production, but I feel this sentiment that he's untouchable during a rebuild is too much. He's a complimentary player and if we can get a young player with potential to be a key player (say Lafreniere), you def pull the trigger. He's fun player to have but I feel like people are putting too much weight in his importance to this team's future. He's going to be 28 soon and as we see with Gallagher, these types of hard nose players can break down early 30s.

We're 31st, there isn't anyone I wouldn't make available..but it would take a lot to move Anderson, at least as far as i'm concern (which really has no consequence lol).

He's somewhat of a unicorn in this league, I don't really look at production to determine his true value...it goes beyond that.

I wouldn't want to move him, only to end up trying to find that exact type of player for the next 5-6 years.

 

[Natey]

I don't personally care about him being bad defensively (nor do I think that's quite accurate).

But 5.5$ a year?

Here are his comparables

Jordan Eberle
Zack Hyman
Jadon Schwartz
Gustav Nyquist
Philippe Danault
Travis Koneckny
Andrew Ladd
Jason Zucker
Bo Horvat
Jonathan Drouin

Josh Anderson isn't perfect, if he was he'd make twice his salary...but there arguably isn't a player on this list i'd take before him.

There's nothing wrong with his salary, it's reflective of his value around the league vs his peers and to this team.

There's about half on that list I would welcome over him.

 

[Wats]

We're 31st, there isn't anyone I wouldn't make available..but it would take a lot to move Anderson, at least as far as i'm concern (which really has no consequence lol).

He's somewhat of a unicorn in this league, I don't really look at production to determine his true value...it goes beyond that.

I wouldn't want to move him, only to end up trying to find that exact type of player for the next 5-6 years.

The question is why would we need such a player unless we are competing for playoffs? Not saying give him away, but he definitely should be shopped along with Chiarot/Lehkonen to get some players that can potentially be next Suzuki or someone that can be that 60+ pt guy to rely on for next 5-10 years with Suzuki/Caufield/Wright(maybe/hopefully).

In 5-6 years, we will likely need to look for this exact player again as it's unlikely Anderson is nearly as good unless he's actually some unicorn in longevity like Dustin Brown.

 

[417]

There's about half on that list I would welcome over him.

That's fair, we're all entitled to our own personal preferences.

My comment was more in reference to his salary, he's paid according to his value...I don't see what the issue with his contract would be.

 

[417]

The question is why would we need such a player unless we are competing for playoffs?

Why wouldn't we? Who says we aren't competing for playoffs starting next year?

Why does that even matter as it relates to retaining a very quality and unique player?

Not saying give him away, but he definitely should be shopped along with Chiarot/Lehkonen to get some players that can potentially be next Suzuki or someone that can be that 60+ pt guy to rely on for next 5-10 years with Suzuki/Caufield/Wright(maybe/hopefully).

In 5-6 years, we will likely need to look for this exact player again as it's unlikely Anderson is nearly as good unless he's actually some unicorn in longevity like Dustin Brown.

Again, there isn't anyone I wouldn't move on this team but I think we're too caught up in timelines.

Things in the NHL change quickly, season to season is too volatile to start talking about what's for sure going to happen in the next 5 years.

Anyone here wouldn't have dreamt that the Calgary Flames would be a contending team when we were facing them in the bubble last year...yet, here we are. Meanwhile, that could be an entirely different story for them next year if they lose a few players in the offseason, they could easily be the ones fighting for a lottery pick next season.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

What an odd player to have a beef with. Anderson's tight, including on an aesthetical level. Love his style.

 

[Natey]

That's fair, we're all entitled to our own personal preferences.

My comment was more in reference to his salary, he's paid according to his value...I don't see what the issue with his contract would be.

The length. The disappearing in the playoffs. And in reality, until the last 10 games, being a non-factor this year. Add in the fact that I think his hockey sense is really poor (hence my comment about being bad defensively, it's not a lack of effort)... And I think a large portion of those players are much better value.

But you're right. We obviously won't agree here. I hope one day I see him as irreplaceable like some here do lately.

 

[417]

The length. The disappearing in the playoffs. And in reality, until the last 10 games, being a non-factor this year. Add in the fact that I think his hockey sense is really poor (hence my comment about being bad defensively, it's not a lack of effort)... And I think a large portion of those players are much better value.

Fair, although I think you're being pretty harsh here, but on the other hand, Josh Anderson is one of my favorite players on this team so perhaps i'm being biased.

But you're right. We obviously won't agree here. I hope one day I see him as irreplaceable like some here do lately.

I wouldn't say irreplaceable, again, there's no one I wouldn't move on this team...to me, it's more about him being "unique" and the price to move him needs to match that uniqueness.

 

[Captain97]

Habs fans for like 25 years, we need big forwards who can score.

Habs management, here is one of the only 4 forwards who can consistently get over 200 hits and over 20 goals and we gave him mid tier 2nd line money. But he is me to average defensively.

Habs Fans paid to much cause he doesn't play to his potential every game. (This would make him an 8.5-9 million dollar guy scoring 40 goals imo)

 

[Natey]

Fair, although I think you're being pretty harsh here, but on the other hand, Josh Anderson is one of my favorite players on this team so perhaps i'm being biased.


I wouldn't say irreplaceable, again, there's no one I wouldn't move on this team...to me, it's more about him being "unique" and the price to move him needs to match that uniqueness.

We're always bias about our favourites. It's why Gallagher still gets a free pass from a good amount of posters and fans.

 

[Natey]

Habs fans for like 25 years, we need big forwards who can score.

Habs management, here is one of the only 4 forwards who can consistently get over 200 hits and over 20 goals and we gave him mid tier 2nd line money. But he is me to average defensively.

Habs Fans paid to much cause he doesn't play to his potential every game. (This would make him an 8.5-9 million dollar guy scoring 40 goals imo)

Wasn't me. And he's surpassed 20 goals once in 6 seasons and his playoffs, when you think a player like him would step up, he's not scoring either. So?

Anyway, unless I'm quoted I'm not going to comment here again. I think my feelings are clear, no need to derail the thread anymore, especially with his play the last two weeks.

 

[Captain97]

Wasn't me. And he's surpassed 20 goals once in 6 seasons and his playoffs, when you think a player like him would step up, he's not scoring either. So?

Anyway, unless I'm quoted I'm not going to comment here again. I think my feelings are clear, no need to derail the thread anymore, especially with his play the last two weeks.

I didn't think I quoted anyone in my post? Just an observation of the general reaction of many fans

 

[Natey]

I didn't think I quoted anyone in my post? Just an observation of the general reaction of many fans

You didn't. It was just a general statement after because I don't want to shit on the guy continuously.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Way better than Bork.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Miller Time]

Way better than Bork.

Haters gonna hate.

In what capacity?
Offensively? Nope.
Defensively? Wash at best.
Hitting? I guess...

Let's just hope Anderson has a better work ethic than Bourque & doesn't start a massive regression as he hits 30

 

[Tyson]

The only thing Josh Anderson lacks is consistency. If he had that he would be a 30 goal scorer

 

[Natey]

@Habs Halifax

Since you laughed and didn't reply... Can you please explain to me why Anderson is good at hockey and should make any difference to who we draft?

Explain why a career 36 point (career 82 game pace) with no defensive prowess or hockey sense. Just speed, an good shot, and some hitting?

He's a bad player for his contract. With a better contract he'd be... okay. But he's very one end of the ice type player. An offensive player who scores less than 0.5 points per game.

These types of players step it up in the playoffs through right? Not really. His production drops to he's than 1 point every 3 games. His shooting percentage dips nearly 3%.

The biggest problem with Anderson is that he's not reliable, you can't count on him to produce when needed, and even though he's fast and hits - he'll disappear for games at a time.

I understand the fascination with this type of player. I have a similar fascination with underdogs. But at the end of the day, Anderson is a very mediocre hockey player on bad a contract.

 

[Habs Halifax]

@Habs Halifax

Since you laughed and didn't reply... Can you please explain to me why Anderson is good at hockey and should make any difference to who we draft?

Explain why a career 36 point (career 82 game pace) with no defensive prowess or hockey sense. Just speed, an good shot, and some hitting?

He's a bad player for his contract. With a better contract he'd be... okay. But he's very one end of the ice type player. An offensive player who scores less than 0.5 points per game.

These types of players step it up in the playoffs through right? Not really. His production drops to he's than 1 point every 3 games. His shooting percentage dips nearly 3%.

The biggest problem with Anderson is that he's not reliable, you can't count on him to produce when needed, and even though he's fast and hits - he'll disappear for games at a time.

I understand the fascination with this type of player. I have a similar fascination with underdogs. But at the end of the day, Anderson is a very mediocre hockey player on bad a contract.

I'll reply this time with this...

The Anderson devalue obsession is nonsense..... "Get Rid of him"

 

[26Mats]

The only thing Josh Anderson lacks is consistency. If he had that he would be a 30 goal scorer

But I think his lack of consistency comes more from lack of hockey sense than lack of effort.

The openings he has the ability to take advantage of only come up so often.

I'll reply this time with this...

The Anderson devalue obsession is nonsense..... "Get Rid of him"

He's only gotten 40+ points once in his career. And he's not great defensively. How valuable do you think he is?

 

[Habs Halifax]

The only thing Josh Anderson lacks is consistency. If he had that he would be a 30 goal scorer

He also lacks a stable spot in the line-up. Posters are obsessed with targeting flaws in his game and yeah, he's not consistent but he shows up in big games and also shows up when he plays with Suzuki and Caufield.

If he was paid $7M+, maybe some of these critics would have a leg to stand on. However, he is not so they don't.

But I think his lack of consistency comes more from lack of hockey sense than lack of effort.

The openings he has the ability to take advantage of only come up so often.


He's only gotten 40+ points once in his career. How valuable li e do you think he is?

If you think points is how you evaluate a player like Anderson, you need to reset, take a step back, and start over. You don't "get rid" of player like this. He's not a dime a dozen type forward and he's signed for prime years.

You should have learned that points evaluation towards Danault was a mistake.