John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[Beef Invictus]

No. What Torts said is he prefers to talk to the team, much the way football coaches break down game film with the position group or entire defense. His goal is for the team to self-police, b/c he's learned if he constantly rails on a young kid for mistakes, he gets tuned out. When his teammates see the kid f---g up on a regular basis and costing them games, they'll let him know of their displeasure. Kids tend to respond to criticism from their peers more than from their elders. He wants players to be accountable first and foremost to their teammates, not the coaches.

He also has an open door for any player who wants to discuss matters one on one. But that's to clear the air without an audience.

What if you teach instead of railing? What a f***ing concept.

What's the point of having this guy destroy offense if he's trying to trick players into doing his job for him?

This is stupid. Guy is lazy and an asshole. It's not his teammates benching people, it's him. And when that happens, it's on him to provide guidance, not others. And he refuses. He sucks.

Your devotion to him will backfire on you. Give it up.

 

[dragonoffrost]

What if you teach instead of railing? What a f***ing concept.

What's the point of having this guy destroy offense if he's trying to trick players into doing his job for him?

This is stupid. Guy is lazy and an asshole. It's not his teammates benching people, it's him. And when that happens, it's on him to provide guidance, not others. And he refuses. He sucks.

Your devotion to him will backfire on you. Give it up.

It's amazing that he had to be an asshole and bench them the exact game they had family and friends in the building and no other games. Like he couldn't do it before or wait another game to do it. I mean who benches a player for one bad game. It should have been a few games to deserve it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It's amazing that he had to be an asshole and bench them the exact game they had family and friends in the building and no other games. Like he couldn't do it before or wait another game to do it.

He didn't know and he's always honest with his players!

 

[ponder719]

Anybody happen to remember if Scotty Bowman refused to talk to players 1:1 unless they came to him first, or intentionally wasted his players' families' money on tickets to see their relative not play?

I don't think Tortorella is as bad of a coach as some we've had around here, but he is definitely the one I would least like to interact with as a person.

 

[04hockey]

What if you teach instead of railing? What a f***ing concept.

What's the point of having this guy destroy offense if he's trying to trick players into doing his job for him?

This is stupid. Guy is lazy and an asshole. It's not his teammates benching people, it's him. And when that happens, it's on him to provide guidance, not others. And he refuses. He sucks.

Your devotion to him will backfire on you. Give it up.

God forbid the players should be accountable .....

Torts did provide "guidance" he f***ing benched them .....let them figure it out

 

[Rebels57]

Torts is an asshole, and it takes an asshole to support an asshole.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't think Tortorella is as bad of a coach as some we've had around here, but he is definitely the one I would least like to interact with as a person.

He has some good ideas. He's firmly in the tier of coaches that don't matter to me. Not a positive, but also not a negative. It's just that he runs his course particularly quickly and when he does, he falls off a cliff. Mostly because he's a miserable prick.

Which is to say he's 4 steps up from Alain Vigneault.

 

[dragonoffrost]

God forbid the players should be accountable .....

Torts did provide "guidance" he f***ing benched them .....let them figure it out

And Sanheim has said there was no mention of why he was benched and Torts didn't speak with him about it. Hmmmmmmm so how's Sanheim supposed to know what he needed to figure out?

 

[Audible Velvet]

I’m getting mixed messages from this guy
I have had this experience at work, and it ducks donkeys

 

[ponder719]

He has some good ideas. He's firmly in the tier of coaches that don't matter to me. Not a positive, but also not a negative. It's just that he runs his course particularly quickly and when he does, he falls off a cliff. Mostly because he's a miserable prick.

Which is to say he's 4 steps up from Alain Vigneault.

Tortorella runs his course like Wile E Coyote.

 

[deadhead]

He has some good ideas. He's firmly in the tier of coaches that don't matter to me. Not a positive, but also not a negative. It's just that he runs his course particularly quickly and when he does, he falls off a cliff. Mostly because he's a miserable prick.

Which is to say he's 4 steps up from Alain Vigneault.

Actually, I think he lasts longer than most HCs (except for Vancouver).
TB - 7 seasons
NYR - 5 seasons
CBJ - 6 seasons (and that was more the idiot GM who destroyed that team).

Now if you want a HC who wears out his welcome, Gallant is exhibit #1
CBJ - 2+ years
FLA - 2+ years
Vegas - 2+ years
fired mid-season at each of these stops. Twice after making the POs the previous season. Wow!
NYR - ???

 

[kudymen]

How is that one guy always hopping around with the saddest baits

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Actually, I think he lasts longer than most HCs (except for Vancouver).
TB - 7 seasons
NYR - 5 seasons
CBJ - 6 seasons (and that was more the idiot GM who destroyed that team).

How long he kept a job isn't what I mean. Tortorella pulled way, way, way back on the reins in Columbus for multiple years. It was Vigneault in the bubble levels of destroying any hopes of offense. He turned Cam Atkinson into a worse threat generator than Ryan Reaves. That's how extreme they were by design.

 

[deadhead]

How long he kept a job isn't what I mean. Tortorella pulled way, way, way back on the reins in Columbus for multiple years. It was Vigneault in the bubble levels of destroying any hopes of offense. He turned Cam Atkinson into a worse threat generator than Ryan Reaves. That's how extreme they were by design.

He did go ultra-conservative his last two years in CBJ, got them to the POs the first year, didn't work the second year. But he had few options after the GM stripped the roster (and he wasn't trying to tank, just grossly incompetent).

2019-20: top scoring forwards for CBJ
Dubois (21), Nyquist (30), Bjorkstrand (24), Foligno (32), Atknson (30, only played 44g), Jenner (26), Weenberg (25), Bernstrom (20), Milano (23), Nash (30).

The only ones to score better after Torts were Dubois (entering his prime years) and Jenner, who stopped playing defense. This was possibly a worse group than the Flyers this season. Like the Flyers, maybe you could put together a 2nd line, and a 3rd line out of this group, nothing more.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He did go ultra-conservative his last two years in CBJ, got them to the POs the first year, didn't work the second year. But he had few options after the GM stripped the roster (and he wasn't trying to tank, just grossly incompetent).

2019-20: top scoring forwards for CBJ
Dubois (21), Nyquist (30), Bjorkstrand (24), Foligno (32), Atknson (30, only played 44g), Jenner (26), Weenberg (25), Bernstrom (20), Milano (23), Nash (30).

The only ones to score better after Torts were Dubois (entering his prime years) and Jenner, who stopped playing defense. This was possibly a worse group than the Flyers this season. Like the Flyers, maybe you could put together a 2nd line, and a 3rd line out of this group, nothing more.

I believe you think he had no choice. I believe he thought he had no choice. But it had no upside for the franchise. It was trading developmental time for a few meaningless marginal wins.

There's no way to spin that as anything but a strong negative for me.

 

[tucson83]

God forbid the players should be accountable .....

Torts did provide "guidance" he f***ing benched them .....let them figure it out

that's what's crazy, look at toronto so much talent and yet still cant get it done, as some point soft coaches dont work and that team needs an accountable coach that understands what needs to be done to get to the next round, instead of the word cater, cater, cater, cater, it never works.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I’d like to know what the definition of being accountable as a player means.

It’s all just Bobby Clarke bullshit that effort triumphs over everything.

This team has been shit for a decade because they don’t have enough talent, not because the players haven’t tried enough. It’s Rambo/Die Hard nonsense.

 

[renberg]

Effort without talent is just spinning wheels. BC knew that. He put in the effort but he and his BB teammates had a heck of a lot of skill and speed to go with their size, strength and energy. The image of them being a team of knuckle dragging goons sold tickets around the League but did them no service.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’d like to know what the definition of being accountable as a player means.

It’s all just Bobby Clarke bullshit that effort triumphs over everything.

This team has been shit for a decade because they don’t have enough talent, not because the players haven’t tried enough. It’s Rambo/Die Hard nonsense.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's amazing that he had to be an asshole and bench them the exact game they had family and friends in the building and no other games. Like he couldn't do it before or wait another game to do it. I mean who benches a player for one bad game. It should have been a few games to deserve it.

Their teammates should have done something I guess.

 

[Beef Invictus]

God forbid the players should be accountable .....

Torts did provide "guidance" he f***ing benched them .....let them figure it out

What accountability? There is none. Just uneven spite and bias.

"Letting them figure it out" isn't teaching. The opposite, actually. Benching someone and not telling them why doesn't help the player nor the team. That's incompetence.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Actually, I think he lasts longer than most HCs (except for Vancouver).
TB - 7 seasons
NYR - 5 seasons
CBJ - 6 seasons (and that was more the idiot GM who destroyed that team).

Now if you want a HC who wears out his welcome, Gallant is exhibit #1
CBJ - 2+ years
FLA - 2+ years
Vegas - 2+ years
fired mid-season at each of these stops. Twice after making the POs the previous season. Wow!
NYR - ???

You left a team out. Why?

How come you always dishonestly ignore that one?

 

[Beef Invictus]

He did go ultra-conservative his last two years in CBJ, got them to the POs the first year, didn't work the second year. But he had few options after the GM stripped the roster (and he wasn't trying to tank, just grossly incompetent).

2019-20: top scoring forwards for CBJ
Dubois (21), Nyquist (30), Bjorkstrand (24), Foligno (32), Atknson (30, only played 44g), Jenner (26), Weenberg (25), Bernstrom (20), Milano (23), Nash (30).

The only ones to score better after Torts were Dubois (entering his prime years) and Jenner, who stopped playing defense. This was possibly a worse group than the Flyers this season. Like the Flyers, maybe you could put together a 2nd line, and a 3rd line out of this group, nothing more.

He stripped the roster because he was appeasing Tortorella. Tortorella wants to strip the roster here.

I repeat again: he is not who you think he is.

 

[Beef Invictus]

that's what's crazy, look at toronto so much talent and yet still cant get it done, as some point soft coaches dont work and that team needs an accountable coach that understands what needs to be done to get to the next round, instead of the word cater, cater, cater, cater, it never works.

Cooper is a "soft coach."

Remind me, how has Tampa done under him?

The Flyers have been relentless petty hardasses to their players for ages. How has that worked out?

 

[Curufinwe]

Can we go back to the part where deadhead was minimizing how good Marty St Louis was in 2004 in order to prop up Torts in 2023?

He got 97% of the votes for MVP that season.

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