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John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

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I genuinely enjoy Shayna’s writing. Now, I’m so curious about this quote from one of her latest pieces about the NHL’s retread coaching problem: “Even when a coach has a lot of coaching experience, they can still show some ability to adjust. John Tortorella, before joining the Blue Jackets, refreshed his perspective.”


What possible evidence is there for this dude refreshing his perspective? He’s the same coach he’s always been…


Link:
theathletic.com

Why the NHL keeps recycling coaches and why it's a problem

There are 32 head coaching slots at the NHL level and it seems like there’s a finite number of names to fill out those roles.
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TB87 said:
What possible evidence is there for this dude refreshing his perspective? He’s the same coach he’s always been…
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I am looking forward to seven paragraphs telling you that...


He changed obviously, he is completely different...
...but somehow you need to pay attention to what he won in 2004
 
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TB87 said:
I genuinely enjoy Shayna’s writing. Now, I’m so curious about this quote from one of her latest pieces about the NHL’s retread coaching problem: “Even when a coach has a lot of coaching experience, they can still show some ability to adjust. John Tortorella, before joining the Blue Jackets, refreshed his perspective.”


What possible evidence is there for this dude refreshing his perspective? He’s the same coach he’s always been…


Link:
theathletic.com

Why the NHL keeps recycling coaches and why it's a problem

There are 32 head coaching slots at the NHL level and it seems like there’s a finite number of names to fill out those roles.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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He talked a big game when joining Columbus about allowing players to make mistakes and the infamous "safe is death" quote. Now he's reverted right back to Vancouver Torts.
 
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Rebels57 said:
He talked a big game when joining Columbus about allowing players to make mistakes and the infamous "safe is death" quote. Now he's reverted right back to Vancouver Torts.
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He then didn't do any of that in Columbus. You can ignore everything he says unless his actions back it up. For someone lauded for honesty he lies constantly.
 
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Captain Dave Poulin said:
No one has ever been as wrong about anything as you were about Jorts, who is a c***. Atoadaso.
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Watching other teams, especially good teams facing each other, really makes it on obvious that this team is receiving extremely limited coaching. You can watch teams running set plays on entry to set up rushes, often with fallbacks to try and keep the rush going, and this team apparently thinks all that stuff is a happy accident. Florida and Dallas for example love running well-executed pick plays. Example, lead man skates in, drops puck back and then skates in front of the new carrier to inhibit the D and give new guy room to drive around. Then original guy can rush the net. You see tons of variations of that around the league, and it ain't new. Boudreaux made DC electric with that kind of entry.

That's all completely absent from the Flyers. Coaching matters. Our coaching is bad.thata just one example. Teams run all kinds of plays. The Flyers just grind and wing it. It's the most obnoxiously, boringly simple stuff possible.
 
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Watching other teams, especially good teams facing each other, really makes it on obvious that this team is receiving extremely limited coaching. You can watch teams running set plays on entry to set up rushes, often with fallbacks to try and keep the rush going, and this team apparently thinks all that stuff is a happy accident. Florida and Dallas for example love running well-executed pick plays. Example, lead man skates in, drops puck back and then skates in front of the new carrier to inhibit the D and give new guy room to drive around. Then original guy can rush the net. You see tons of variations of that around the league, and it ain't new. Boudreaux made DC electric with that kind of entry.

That's all completely absent from the Flyers. Coaching matters. Our coaching is bad.thata just one example. Teams run all kinds of plays. The Flyers just grind and wing it. It's the most obnoxiously, boringly simple stuff possible.
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no!!! all pucks must be rung in around the boards then fetched..

pretty sure its a rule...

oh wait...🤣
 
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Beef Invictus said:
Watching other teams, especially good teams facing each other, really makes it on obvious that this team is receiving extremely limited coaching. You can watch teams running set plays on entry to set up rushes, often with fallbacks to try and keep the rush going, and this team apparently thinks all that stuff is a happy accident. Florida and Dallas for example love running well-executed pick plays. Example, lead man skates in, drops puck back and then skates in front of the new carrier to inhibit the D and give new guy room to drive around. Then original guy can rush the net. You see tons of variations of that around the league, and it ain't new. Boudreaux made DC electric with that kind of entry.

That's all completely absent from the Flyers. Coaching matters. Our coaching is bad.thata just one example. Teams run all kinds of plays. The Flyers just grind and wing it. It's the most obnoxiously, boringly simple stuff possible.
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You mean ROCKY f***ING THOMPSON isn't some offensive genius?

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deadhead said:
Have you watched the playoffs. Awful lot of dumping and chasing. And these are the best teams.
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Did you know it's possible to scheme up dump and chase so you're doing more than just flinging it in and then grinding it out? It's not a coincidence that even the worst lines on good teams can dump and chase more successfully than the Flyers' best lines.

Basketball, like hockey, is a highly fluid sport. Basketball features a shitload of schemed up plays. Hockey teams are doing that too. Well, the good ones are. Not so much the Flyers.
 
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Magua said:
Let's see who they hire as GM, but shit like this is why the Flyers will be lapped. They're incapable of fresh perspective or savviness. They think toilet water is sanitary after you flush it.
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Well, Hextall, Pryor, Clarke, Barber, Holmgren and Lombardi are history.

Jones I have doubts about, I have no problem with Briere (who has little real connection with the above other than being signed by Holmgren and then hired and ending up in Maine, far from the Flyer bois. Torts has no connection with the Flyers "brain trust," nor does he have a similar approach to hockey, other than on a superficial level that seems to fool a lot of people here.

Torts' style of play is more like Carolina, he likes speed, has no problem with undersized skill players, etc.

Torts isn't a players coach, but some of that I think reflects less a "Dino approach" (Gallant and Cassidy and AV are better matches), than a NFL rebuild approach - even someone as "nice" as Sirianni quickly weeds out players who don't fit. A lot of NHL teams waste time trying to get young players to buy in, and only give up after years of cajoling and coddling - Torts pushes everyone to "subtract" the ones that don't fit so he can focus on the "keepers." That comes out harsh in the hockey world but is how you push a rebuild forward.
 
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