John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

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Most workplaces encourage professional development & training, which may include handling increased responsibilities under supervision.

That’s exactly what the Flyers are doing.

Of course I have trained people by having them do something I would normally do, under my supervision & followed by my input.

Standard practice.

You haven’t? Your workplace doesn’t permit professional development & training?
That's not what he's doing. If he was doing that he'd be on the bench with the team and the guy he was allowing to run the game not in the press box.

That's how training and professional development works at my job. You are beside the guy/gal that is mentoring you or being mentored by you.
 
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So, it summarize...

-If all GMs do the same thing, like passing up on a player on waivers, that proves it's the correct move. They can't all be wrong!

And then at the same time...

-If all coaches do the same thing, like actually performing the job they're paid for instead of lazily dumping the responsibility on their employees, it's actually a good thing for one coach to do the opposite. The majority isn't automatically right!

Just your standard Torts groupie contradictions and dishonesty, I guess.

:laugh: Torts could throw a baby goat off the roof of the WFC and we'd get paragraphs desperately explaining why it was actually a really smart decision on his part and how Torts looked especially handsome while doing it.
The goat was a sacrifice to get rid of the bad juju the team has.

A recall a rumor about Brindamour punching or threatening to do so bc Lindros got "involved" with Brindy's woman.....not sure how much truth there was to that but it was talked about when he was traded...
That rumor was also mentioned when the Captains night happened during the 50th aniversary season as it would be the first time Brindy and Lindros would be around each other since that the trade of Brindy to Carolina.
 
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That's not what he's doing. If he was doing that he'd be on the bench with the team and the guy he was allowing to run the game not in the press box.

That's how training and professional development works at my job. You are beside the guy/gal that is mentoring you or being mentored by you.
Uh, that would kinda defeat the purpose . . . which is to run the bench. Not be looking over at the real boss asking if you're doing it right.
 
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That's not what he's doing. If he was doing that he'd be on the bench with the team and the guy he was allowing to run the game not in the press box.

That's how training and professional development works at my job. You are beside the guy/gal that is mentoring you or being mentored by you.
He's TortGPT.....Artifarcical Intelligence!
 
That's not what he's doing. If he was doing that he'd be on the bench with the team and the guy he was allowing to run the game not in the press box.

That's how training and professional development works at my job. You are beside the guy/gal that is mentoring you or being mentored by you.
Well this is how they’re doing it, & it makes all the sense in the world for the reasons deadhead stated.

What a shocker you don’t agree with it. As I said, it’s clear you hate Torts & therefore spin everything you can into a criticism.

Even the fact that he isn’t conducting professional development the same way your unrelated workplace does.

Anyway, I’ve explained my perspective & quoted one of the assistants involved. Your mind’s been made up since his hire & it’s not changing. No point continuing.
 
Serious question contrarians:

What would it take for you to criticize Torts? Like, give a specific example please.

I want to know how far you are willing to extend charity towards him.
A real f--kup, not the usual BS that people get up in arms about.

I don't have a problem with him riding a young player who's lazy or sloppy or won't listen, he's an equal opportunity asshole, it's when coaches play favorites that locker rooms divide. The reason he doesn't ride Cates is the same reason you never saw any HC ride Couts, the guys who know what they're supposed to do are always the favorites of the HC.

And I don't care about Tort'isms, he's colorful, he's not some automation behind the bench spewing cliches. He's fun to watch, has an expressive face, obviously is into the game. And says some off the cuff shit, but he's gotten a bit more reserved as he ages.

I like his style of play, no, he's not an offense first guy, but he's not a "circle the wagons" guy either. This team plays fast and hard, I can't remember a Flyers team that consistently back checked like this team does. The forecheck is aggressive, not send one guy and play it safe. He's very aggressive using D-men on offense and encourages them to pinch.

Where he's conservative is entering the O-zone, what he wants are players "who know their limitations." If you lack the skill to deke a guy at the blue line and can't make a clean entry, then dump it in. If he had McDavid, I doubt Torts would say anything as long as McDavid back checked hard to catch up to his mistakes. But when you look at the talent on this team, who would you give permission to gamble on a regular basis? The lack of talent dictates dump and chase.
 
A real f--kup, not the usual BS that people get up in arms about.

I don't have a problem with him riding a young player who's lazy or sloppy or won't listen, he's an equal opportunity asshole, it's when coaches play favorites that locker rooms divide. The reason he doesn't ride Cates is the same reason you never saw any HC ride Couts, the guys who know what they're supposed to do are always the favorites of the HC.

And I don't care about Tort'isms, he's colorful, he's not some automation behind the bench spewing cliches. He's fun to watch, has an expressive face, obviously is into the game. And says some off the cuff shit, but he's gotten a bit more reserved as he ages.

I like his style of play, no, he's not an offense first guy, but he's not a "circle the wagons" guy either. This team plays fast and hard, I can't remember a Flyers team that consistently back checked like this team does. The forecheck is aggressive, not send one guy and play it safe. He's very aggressive using D-men on offense and encourages them to pinch.

Where he's conservative is entering the O-zone, what he wants are players "who know their limitations." If you lack the skill to deke a guy at the blue line and can't make a clean entry, then dump it in. If he had McDavid, I doubt Torts would say anything as long as McDavid back checked hard to catch up to his mistakes. But when you look at the talent on this team, who would you give permission to gamble on a regular basis? The lack of talent dictates dump and chase.

Like not using Attard, who you believe is an elite offensive force? That seems like an obvious and real f***up, surely you must be gobsmacked that Tortorella, who you claim wants to use as much youth as he can, turned down numerous opportunities to use youth unless injuries forced it.

Surely doing the opposite of what you want warrants some critique and not adoring defenses.
 
A real f--kup, not the usual BS that people get up in arms about.

I don't have a problem with him riding a young player who's lazy or sloppy or won't listen, he's an equal opportunity asshole, it's when coaches play favorites that locker rooms divide. The reason he doesn't ride Cates is the same reason you never saw any HC ride Couts, the guys who know what they're supposed to do are always the favorites of the HC.

And I don't care about Tort'isms, he's colorful, he's not some automation behind the bench spewing cliches. He's fun to watch, has an expressive face, obviously is into the game. And says some off the cuff shit, but he's gotten a bit more reserved as he ages.

I like his style of play, no, he's not an offense first guy, but he's not a "circle the wagons" guy either. This team plays fast and hard, I can't remember a Flyers team that consistently back checked like this team does. The forecheck is aggressive, not send one guy and play it safe. He's very aggressive using D-men on offense and encourages them to pinch.

Where he's conservative is entering the O-zone, what he wants are players "who know their limitations." If you lack the skill to deke a guy at the blue line and can't make a clean entry, then dump it in. If he had McDavid, I doubt Torts would say anything as long as McDavid back checked hard to catch up to his mistakes. But when you look at the talent on this team, who would you give permission to gamble on a regular basis? The lack of talent dictates dump and chase.
Could you give us an example of what a real f-up might be? People probably don't agree on what that definition means to them.
 
Could you give us an example of what a real f-up might be? People probably don't agree on what that definition means to them.
Alienating someone like Couts, who has impeachable instincts and work ethic.
Try to veto the trade of Laughton, who at 29 is an obvious trade candidate.
Burying a top prospect out of spite, instead of b/c he won't listen to coaching and keeps repeating the same mistakes - but that's an AV kind of thing.

Most of the stuff people complain about is trivial BS.

Yes, he could be more tactful, but then he wouldn't be as fun to follow.

I'm happy to have Torts/Briere run the show, b/c they're committed to rebuilding, not patching, no "aggressive reload" BS. At worse, they'll leave a faster, younger, more talented and disciplined team behind them for the next guys to take over.

I think Torts wants to avoid what happened in CBJ, he turned the team around, and the GM, instead of building on that, tried to win now and doomed that team. When Panarin was obtained, it was clear they had a two year window. And that's why Torts keeps harping on "building the right way."
 
Alienating someone like Couts, who has impeachable instincts and work ethic.
Try to veto the trade of Laughton, who at 29 is an obvious trade candidate.
Burying a top prospect out of spite, instead of b/c he won't listen to coaching and keeps repeating the same mistakes - but that's an AV kind of thing.

Most of the stuff people complain about is trivial BS.

Yes, he could be more tactful, but then he wouldn't be as fun to follow.

I'm happy to have Torts/Briere run the show, b/c they're committed to rebuilding, not patching, no "aggressive reload" BS. At worse, they'll leave a faster, younger, more talented and disciplined team behind them for the next guys to take over.

I think Torts wants to avoid what happened in CBJ, he turned the team around, and the GM, instead of building on that, tried to win now and doomed that team. When Panarin was obtained, it was clear they had a two year window. And that's why Torts keeps harping on "building the right way."

They just did that a year ago and you have vigorously defended it ever since. If they alienated Couturier you'd defend that too.

Most of the stuff we talk about is actually really substantial. If it were trivial the team wouldn't be so bad.

Tortorella didn't turn CBJ around.
 
What would it take for you to criticize Torts? Like, give a specific example please.

I want to know how far you are willing to extend charity towards him.
What would it take for you to praise Torts?

I bet you're one of those people who won't even give him credit for the improvements in Tippett, Konecny, Ristolainen, and Frost's games.

I guarantee there's a better chance of deadhead and I criticizing Torts than there is of you and some others praising Torts for anything.
 
Alienating someone like Couts, who has impeachable instincts and work ethic.
Try to veto the trade of Laughton, who at 29 is an obvious trade candidate.
Burying a top prospect out of spite, instead of b/c he won't listen to coaching and keeps repeating the same mistakes - but that's an AV kind of thing.

Most of the stuff people complain about is trivial BS.

Yes, he could be more tactful, but then he wouldn't be as fun to follow.

I'm happy to have Torts/Briere run the show, b/c they're committed to rebuilding, not patching, no "aggressive reload" BS. At worse, they'll leave a faster, younger, more talented and disciplined team behind them for the next guys to take over.

I think Torts wants to avoid what happened in CBJ, he turned the team around, and the GM, instead of building on that, tried to win now and doomed that team. When Panarin was obtained, it was clear they had a two year window. And that's why Torts keeps harping on "building the right way."
I'm not sure I agree with your assessment, but I do appreciate you making effort to actually articulate a response. Unlike others who shall not be named.
 
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It really seems like the Flyers "cleaning house" meant promoting an internal candidate who is an ex-Flyer to GM and leaning on an over-the-hill coach who scares away free agents and burns out young players to be an integral voice in talent evaluation. The idea the team needs "Torts" guys is anathema to team-building for the future. They are just as clueless as ever.
 
Tortorella deserves exactly zero credit for the play of those guys.

Especially TK and Frost. One of which was already this good pre-Torts and the other was inarguably held back by Torts this year. Also Ristolainen is still shit, so not sure what we're pretending Torts did.

When someone needs to lie to praise the coach, it proves they know he actually sucks.
 
I'm happy for Frost. He gave a giant f*** you to everyone who doubted him and he went and played really well in the second half. There's no reason why Farabee - Frost - Tippett is the full time 2nd line going forward. Let them run with it next season.
 
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I'm happy for Frost. He gave a giant f*** you to everyone who doubted him and he went and played really well in the second half. There's no reason why Farabee - Frost - Tippett is the full time 2nd line going forward. Let them run with it next season.

Every other team in the league would be jumping on his second half, hyping him up, marketing him. Especially a team with as little as the Flyers.

Theyve talked about him as little as possible. It tells you everything about what they value. Throughout the org, both the shitty Comcast and the scumbag hockey parts.
 

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