John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

[deadhead]

Dave Scott doesn’t talk. He’s been put in front of cameras like twice in the last five years.

Do we know if he can talk.
Maybe it's a Weekend At Bernie's situation?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Do we know if he can talk.
Maybe it's a Weekend At Bernie's situation?

I can’t take anything off the table with this franchise at this point.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Dave Scott doesn’t talk. He’s been put in front of cameras like twice in the last five years.

Yea if he really cared he'd have been at the town hall.

 

[Striiker]

John Tortorella, the guy who thinks Cates is a 1C, has repeatedly voiced his disgust for young skill players, and thinks playing 2 defensemen in OT is smart:

 

[kudymen]

John Tortorella, the guy who thinks Cates is a 1C, has repeatedly voiced his disgust for young skill players, and thinks playing 2 defensemen in OT is smart:

Maybe the players just bought into his "you cant win 6:5" message way too much? Maybe he is too good at getting his message across?

 

[mja]

John Tortorella, the guy who thinks Cates is a 1C, has repeatedly voiced his disgust for young skill players, and thinks playing 2 defensemen in OT is smart:

The cognitive dissonance is truly dizzying.

 

[Striiker]

-Benches Farabee and Sanheim

-Plays Braun as a forward

-Actively discourages creativity and skill - claiming it’s showboating - and says hockey should be a hard-nosed, honest game.

“wHy cAnT wE ScOrE ? !”

The guy is as much of a dinosaur as he is an asshole. The fact that this fanbase has fallen in love with him really goes to show how clueless the average fan really is.

 

[renberg]

John Tortorella, the guy who thinks Cates is a 1C, has repeatedly voiced his disgust for young skill players, and thinks playing 2 defensemen in OT is smart:

With the slop on this roster playing 2D/1F makes sense in that it increases the possibility of shutting down an opponent’s scoring chances. Aside from one forward being TK, there probably isn’t another forward that Torts could put out on the ice with him that might be able to generate a scoring chance. That guy would probably end up turning it over and creating a scoring chance against.

 

[Striiker]

With the slop on this roster playing 2D/1F makes sense in that it increases the possibility of shutting down an opponent’s scoring chances. Aside from one forward being TK, there probably isn’t another forward that Torts could put out on the ice with him that might be able to generate a scoring chance. That guy would probably end up turning it over and creating a scoring chance against.

Trying to win with bad forwards is better than just sitting back, giving up, and waiting to lose with bad defensemen.

 

[DancingPanther]

With the slop on this roster playing 2D/1F makes sense in that it increases the possibility of shutting down an opponent’s scoring chances. Aside from one forward being TK, there probably isn’t another forward that Torts could put out on the ice with him that might be able to generate a scoring chance. That guy would probably end up turning it over and creating a scoring chance against.

I have just the solution. Nick Seeler

 

[Beef Invictus]

John Tortorella, the guy who thinks Cates is a 1C, has repeatedly voiced his disgust for young skill players, and thinks playing 2 defensemen in OT is smart:

Man who rails against the most effective scoring tactics shocked team can't score

 

[Beef Invictus]

With the slop on this roster playing 2D/1F makes sense in that it increases the possibility of shutting down an opponent’s scoring chances. Aside from one forward being TK, there probably isn’t another forward that Torts could put out on the ice with him that might be able to generate a scoring chance. That guy would probably end up turning it over and creating a scoring chance against.

It doesn't, though. There's too much space. You can't win OT by defending.

 

[mja]

Man who rails against the most effective scoring tactics shocked team can't score

This is a man who literally complains when someone scores a goal that is too showy.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Torts is just a hair less incompetent than Chuckles !!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This is a man who literally complains when someone scores a goal that is too showy.

“I’m not sure it’s good for the game.”

 

[VladDrag]

With the slop on this roster playing 2D/1F makes sense in that it increases the possibility of shutting down an opponent’s scoring chances. Aside from one forward being TK, there probably isn’t another forward that Torts could put out on the ice with him that might be able to generate a scoring chance. That guy would probably end up turning it over and creating a scoring chance against.

You are never going to shut down the top offensive players in the league in 3v3. They will just pass around you. Thinking you can is a fool’s errand.

When the Flyers do get the puck they don’t have the players who can keep it. They have are 31st in xGF% at 3v3, 22nd in xGA, and 31st in xGF.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This is a man who literally complains when someone scores a goal that is too showy.

He has stated that you cannot win by filling the net when in fact, you can. The whole point is filling the net. Goals are how you win.

 

[deadhead]

It helps to have players who can play offense.

He's put his three best offensive forwards on one line
He's got his two veteran scorers and Allison on his other line.
He's moved Laughton and Cates to an "energy" line.

Got any other options with this roster?

And who would you trust in OT?
Frost, Tippett, Cates, Laughton, Farabee?
Have you seen Hayes and JVR skate 3 on 3?

 

[Beef Invictus]

It helps to have players who can play offense.

He's put his three best offensive forwards on one line
He's got his two veteran scorers and Allison on his other line.
He's moved Laughton and Cates to an "energy" line.

Got any other options with this roster?

And who would you trust in OT?
Frost, Tippett, Cates, Laughton, Farabee?
Have you seen Hayes and JVR skate 3 on 3?

How they're told to play matters. Coaching matters. Treating offense as defense in the other teams zone doesn't facilitate scoring, which is really bad when the roster is also bad.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The 2D OT issue has the same timbre to it as the 2PT/XP football discussion. You can maximize decisions to win games or you can maximize them to go as long as possible without losing. They are not the same thing.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

The 2D OT issue has the same timbre to it as the 2PT/XP football discussion. You can maximize decisions to win games or you can maximize them to go as long as possible without losing. They are not the same thing.

I forgot to check last night, since I missed the Carolina/Montreal OT, but this post reminded me.

Carolina occasionally rolls 2D in OT. Last night they started OT with Burns and Skjei, which lasted for 27 seconds and they didn't run 2D again in OT.

Burns (0-0:29)-Skjei (0-0:27)
Slavin (0:29-1:44)
Ghost (1:44-2:57)
Burns (2:57-3:38)
Pesce (3:38-3:59)
Burns (3:59-4:49)
Skjei (4:49-5:00)

I haven't followed everyone closely enough this year, but it does amuse me that the team tied for first in OT/SO wins seems to be the only other team that regularly runs 2D in OT, if only for a little bit. I think they often start with 2D and use it only for the first shift, but I'm too lazy to go through older games to confirm...

 

[Striiker]

There’s also a difference between

a) using two D when you have good D
And
b) using two D when you have an underperforming Sanheim and 5-6 clueless shitters

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I forgot to check last night, since I missed the Carolina/Montreal OT, but this post reminded me.

Carolina occasionally rolls 2D in OT. Last night they started OT with Burns and Skjei, which lasted for 27 seconds and they didn't run 2D again in OT.

Burns (0-0:29)-Skjei (0-0:27)
Slavin (0:29-1:44)
Ghost (1:44-2:57)
Burns (2:57-3:38)
Pesce (3:38-3:59)
Burns (3:59-4:49)
Skjei (4:49-5:00)

I haven't followed everyone closely enough this year, but it does amuse me that the team tied for first in OT/SO wins seems to be the only other team that regularly runs 2D in OT, if only for a little bit. I think they often start with 2D and use it only for the first shift, but I'm too lazy to go through older games to confirm...

I checked Carolina specifically before and found that the one previous year they consistently used 2D all OT was the one in which their record sucked.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I checked Carolina specifically before and found that the one previous year they consistently used 2D all OT was the one in which their record sucked.

Was that a Brindy coached team, or pre-Brindy?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Was that a Brindy coached team, or pre-Brindy?

Hell if I can remember. My memory is of someone saying Carolina does it, me being intrigued enough to dig in quickly, and seeing that.