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John Tortorella Named (Part Time) Head Coach Discussion

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deadhead said:
I was told Berube was an idiot. He says to y'all "kiss my ring or kiss my ass."
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You were told he was doing idiotic things in certain timeframe. Thats a bit different and you know that.


as for the part where you pretend you never tried to minimize coaching impact during those years... LOL. Liar.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE TEAMS THAT LOST TO THE LIGHTNING?

Well, the Lightning are really good too. How the hell is this still a discussion?
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Why are the the Lightning really good?
It's not just top talent, they have top talent, so do a number of other teams in the playoffs every year.

They rebuilt that team after Torts swept them, b/c they realized talent wasn't enough, you need depth and "playoff players," so they build a checking line around Goodrow - Guorde - Coleman and played that line 2nd line minutes in the playoffs.

Last year, when they had to replace those guys, they brought in Paul and Hagel
They keep coming up with the same player, 6'0 200 middle rd guys like Palat (7th rd), Cirelli (#72), Joseph (#120), Colton (#118), who fit their scheme.
And they have the biggest defense in the NHL, guess size does matter.

Point is if you just went on talent on paper, TB is among the top, but not heads and shoulders above everyone else. It was finding the right balance for the playoffs that put them over the top (and a top flight goalie).
 
deadhead said:
Why are the the Lightning really good?
It's not just top talent, they have top talent, so do a number of other teams in the playoffs every year.

They rebuilt that team after Torts swept them, b/c they realized talent wasn't enough, you need depth and "playoff players," so they build a checking line around Goodrow - Guorde - Coleman and played that line 2nd line minutes in the playoffs.

Last year, when they had to replace those guys, they brought in Paul and Hagel
They keep coming up with the same player, 6'0 200 middle rd guys like Palat (7th rd), Cirelli (#72), Joseph (#120), Colton (#118), who fit their scheme.
And they have the biggest defense in the NHL, guess size does matter.

Point is if you just went on talent on paper, TB is among the top, but not heads and shoulders above everyone else. It was finding the right balance for the playoffs that put them over the top (and a top flight goalie).
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ROFL TORTS SWEPT THEM


So if coaching is this important, then Hakstol is at fault for his teams being horrible failures. Anything else is two-faced. Blaming Ghost heavily for the Pens series as you love to do is a lie and the fault lies with Hakstol. That is what you must profess right now, or be a liar.
 
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deadhead said:
Why are the the Lightning really good?
It's not just top talent, they have top talent, so do a number of other teams in the playoffs every year.

They rebuilt that team after Torts swept them, b/c they realized talent wasn't enough, you need depth and "playoff players," so they build a checking line around Goodrow - Guorde - Coleman and played that line 2nd line minutes in the playoffs.

Last year, when they had to replace those guys, they brought in Paul and Hagel
They keep coming up with the same player, 6'0 200 middle rd guys like Palat (7th rd), Cirelli (#72), Joseph (#120), Colton (#118), who fit their scheme.
And they have the biggest defense in the NHL, guess size does matter.

Point is if you just went on talent on paper, TB is among the top, but not heads and shoulders above everyone else. It was finding the right balance for the playoffs that put them over the top (and a top flight goalie).
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One playoff series has never caused so much neutral fan brain damage or harm to general discourse as that Tampa-Columbus series.

I'm so damn tired of saying the same thing over and over again. Columbus forechecked them into oblivion. They got Defensemen who could make Zone Exits. Some of them were big. One of them was 5'11". Size can be a thing that helps you do another thing. Size cannot be your thing.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
One playoff series has never caused so much neutral fan brain damage or harm to general discourse as that Tampa-Columbus series.

I'm so damn tired of saying the same thing over and over again. Columbus forechecked them into oblivion. They got Defensemen who could make Zone Exits. Some of them were big. One of them was 5'11". Size can be a thing that helps you do another thing. Size cannot be your thing.
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Couldn't agree more. TB got big, mobile D-men, Cernak, McDonagh, Rutta to go with Hedman and Sergachev, but also Savard. When Rutta (6'3 204) is your small D-man . . .

I think some teams looked at that and just thought, "we need to get bigger" and ignored "better."
 
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BringBackHakstol said:
The idea that the coach is going to instill some everlasting aura on the team that will effect how they play long-term and as personnel massively turns over is just bananas. Total fantasy land crap
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It's not like we have decades of evidence of teams turning on Torts after 2/3 years and just never listening to him again. In one case, it didn't even take a whole season to get to that point (Vancouver).

Curufinwe said:
Very decent of him to let Sanheim know he getting his first healthy scratch since 2018 by text message. What a hero.
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Don't make me get the quotes of him being an asshole in Vancouver. Again.
 
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freakydallas13 said:
It's not like we have decades of evidence of teams turning on Torts after 2/3 years and just never listening to him again. In one case, it didn't even take a whole season to get to that point (Vancouver).


Don't make me get the quotes of him being an asshole in Vancouver. Again.
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To be fair to Torts seems to have a longer self life them most hard ass coaches. But that's entirely based on situations where he is winning. It doesn't really hold up the same way when the team is complete ass.
 
GapToothedWonder said:
To be fair to Torts seems to have a longer self life them most hard ass coaches. But that's entirely based on situations where he is winning. It doesn't really hold up the same way when the team is complete ass.
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TB was a disaster area when he arrived, so was CBJ.

CBJ made the playoffs twice in sixteen years before he took over, made the playoffs 4 times in six years with him as HC, zero the last three years.

TB had made the playoffs once in eight years as an expansion team. 54 points the year before, 59 points the season he took over in mid-season. Next season 69 points, two years later, SC Winner.
 
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I don't love Torts but in this organization I think he's the least stupid person in most rooms he enters, so it is kinda fun to parse his many quotes like this. It basically boils down to "man everything here is way more f***ed than I thought possible when I took the job."
 
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freakydallas13 said:
It's not like we have decades of evidence of teams turning on Torts after 2/3 years and just never listening to him again. In one case, it didn't even take a whole season to get to that point (Vancouver).


Don't make me get the quotes of him being an asshole in Vancouver. Again.
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Solid chance he's already Vancouvered himself here. He's been an aggressive and public asshole to players.
 
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deadhead said:
TB was a disaster area when he arrived, so was CBJ.

CBJ made the playoffs twice in sixteen years before he took over, made the playoffs 4 times in six years with him as HC, zero the last three years.

TB had made the playoffs once in eight years as an expansion team. 54 points the year before, 59 points the season he took over in mid-season. Next season 69 points, two years later, SC Winner.
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TB was 19 billion years ago and they existed in a different world. CBJ is just better managed than the Flyers.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
TB was 19 billion years ago and they existed in a different world. CBJ is just better managed than the Flyers.
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What universe do you live in? CBJ's GM is worse than Fletcher.
This is the guy who starts a rebuild by trading Seth Jones, then trades for Voracek and signs JG and Gudbranson.
Doesn't know if he's coming or going.
 
Rich Nixon said:
I don't love Torts but in this organization I think he's the least stupid person in most rooms he enters, so it is kinda fun to parse his many quotes like this. It basically bouls down to "man everything here is way more f***ed than I thought possible when I took the job."
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I also think he says things like this to make himself look like the savior the team wants him to be. He’s been working the media for 20 years and he’s not dumb. He knows what sound bites will resonate.
 
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