Value of: John Gibson to the Leafs

[thusk]

Leafs did it with Kessel... that deal did yield Kasperi Kapanen (highly regarded young prospect) and a 1st round pick (with the Leafs giving up some lesser assets as well in the deal.

Personally, I don't think the "challenge" with Gibson is whether he makes $6.4m or $5.0m. At the end of the day, that's #1 goalie money... and you can only have one #1 goalie -- it's not like a skater where you can turn a star on one team into depth on another.

The challenge is -- he's locked into being paid #1 goalie money for the next 5 years, but the last 3 has been very, very mediocre.

I think there's a bunch of teams (not good ones) that would happily take him on for the next 5 years at his full hit, simply to stabilize their goaltending with behind a likely young core, which gives him a really stable "floor" of positive value. However, given how mediocre he's been for the last few years, I'm not so sure there's a contending /good team that views him as the best way to spend $5-6m with term.

Look at the Freddy Andersen deal... and that was Carolina giving up nothing for him. Bad teams obviously wouldn't have access to a goalie contract like that, but at the same time, bad teams also generally do not want to give up a haul of futures.

We talk about a 28 goalie not about a 35

How many do you think goalie like saros, shesterkins or sorokin will win next contract? Probably over 8M

Andersen choosing carolina and im pretty sure he refuse more money somewhere else

6.4M is a really good price for an elite goalie

 

[tomd]

With Gibson stats being so bad there's absolutely no reason a playoff team should pay what is expected for a number one goalie with mediocre back up numbers. Ducks fans seem to love him so keep him and everyone is happy.

I suppose if Toronto is interested they aren't worried about his stats from the past couple of years. If Dubas feels like Gibson is the missing piece I don't think he'll be trying to lowball Verbeek on the price. It will be high but fair.

 

[Golden_Jet]

To
Toronto
Gibson
Comtois

To
Ducks
2022 1st
Robertson
2024 2nd
Kerfoot (Late 2nd at the deadline)
Mrazek

Too many cap dumps in deal.

 

[Sean Garrity]

Leafs don't want Gibson because he sucks, got it.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Too many cap dumps in deal.

Kerfoot isn't a cap dump with 1 year remaining scoring 40 points and being excellent on the penalty kill.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I suppose if Toronto is interested they aren't worried about his stats from the past couple of years. If Dubas feels like Gibson is the missing piece I don't think he'll be trying to lowball Verbeek on the price. It will be high but fair.

Thats not how trades work. Gibsons past 3 seasons are below even back up numbers. That reduces his price just like any other player in the league. Hes worth a 1st + b+ prospect+ 2nd with a smaller cap hit going back but some duck fans are looking for a couple 1sts + A prospect + 2nd. Hes just not worth the risk for the latter price.

 

[tomd]

Thats not how trades work. Gibsons past 3 seasons are below even back up numbers. That reduces his price just like any other player in the league. Hes worth a 1st + b+ prospect+ 2nd with a smaller cap hit going back but some duck fans are looking for a couple 1sts + A prospect + 2nd. Hes just not worth the risk for the latter price.

You missed my point. I don't care what anyone (you and myself included) think is the right price for Gibson. That is between Dubas and Verbeek. All I'm saying is that Dubas is not in a position to lowball Verbeek. There is no rush for the Ducks to move him and they may not even want to. Besides that, there may be other offers. But if Toronto gets him the price will be high but fair...whatever the price is. It may very well be exactly as you say...or it may not. We'll know in about six weeks.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

You missed my point. I don't care what anyone (you and myself included) think is the right price for Gibson. That is between Dubas and Verbeek. All I'm saying is that Dubas is not in a position to lowball Verbeek. There is no rush for the Ducks to move him and they may not even want to. Besides that, there may be other offers. But if Toronto gets him the price will be high but fair...whatever the price is. It may very well be exactly as you say...or it may not. We'll know in about six weeks.

Just don't see how the Leafs fit Gibson into the line up but yeah I guess we will see. For the record I don't see dubas low balling or overpaying.

 

[AuraSphere]

Leafs don't want Gibson because he sucks, got it.

Leaf fans that don't watch Gibson think he sucks and don't want him*

The rest of us that watch hockey outside of the Leafs want him

 

[Glorydays22]

Gibson is garbage. If leafs are going to trade for a high priced goalie, Helleybuck would make more sense.

If Trotz becomes the coach of the Jets, Helleybuck isn't going anywhere.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Leaf fans that don't watch Gibson think he sucks and don't want him*

The rest of us that watch hockey outside of the Leafs want him

I've watched plenty of Gibson and think he's the leafs best option, I'm just not willing to give up a couple 1sts + Robertson+ Sandin to get him.

 

[herashak]

Nylander +

 

[Glorydays22]

To the Leafs fans....Not sure if you guys would like it but I hear Florida is desperately trying to trade Bobrovsky. I know he has a huge cap hit but I'm sure you can dump a bunch of salary back. I think they want Knight to be their #1 next year.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Nylander +

LOL not a chance for Nylander alone nevermind a plus.

To the Leafs fans....Not sure if you guys would like it but I hear Florida is desperately trying to trade Bobrovsky. I know he has a huge cap hit but I'm sure you can dump a bunch of salary back. I think they want Knight to be their #1 next year.

I'd rather put kerfoot in net.

 

[Glorydays22]

LOL not a chance for Nylander alone nevermind a plus.


I'd rather put kerfoot in net.

lol, fair enough...

 

[elmaco]

LOL not a chance for Nylander alone nevermind a plus.


I'd rather put kerfoot in net.

Dubas would do Nylander for Gibson in a heartbeat, sorry to break your bubble.

 

[Glorydays22]

Would you guys take a flyer on Holtby? I believe he's a FA. I think you would need another goalie to split time with him during the season. But he's experience in the playoffs might be the thing you need. I'm guessing he wouldn't ask a lot salary wise.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Dubas would do Nylander for Gibson in a heartbeat, sorry to break your bubble.

You know so little about hockey I'm hesitant to respond. Nylander is an 80 point winger who is also just as productive in the play offs. You need a nap your drunk.

Would you guys take a flyer on Holtby? I believe he's a FA. I think you would need another goalie to split time with him during the season. But he's experience in the playoffs might be the thing you need. I'm guessing he wouldn't ask a lot salary wise.

I'd bring back Campbell and sign holtby as back up.

 

[Glorydays22]

You know so little about hockey I'm hesitant to respond. Nylander is an 80 point winger who is also just as productive in the play offs. You need a nap your drunk.


I'd bring back Campbell and sign holtby as back up.

If the numbers (cap wise) works to bring Campbell back and add Holtby. If I'm Toronto, I'm going this way.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You know so little about hockey I'm hesitant to respond. Nylander is an 80 point winger who is also just as productive in the play offs. You need a nap your drunk.


I'd bring back Campbell and sign holtby as back up.

Nylander is a good player, you just don’t know which version you get from game to game. Do you get the good player or the one that doesn’t seem interested in competing each game.

 

[93gilmour93]

Too many cap dumps in deal.

Only one cap dump in that offer….

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Nylander is a good player, you just don’t know which version you get from game to game. Do you get the good player or the one that doesn’t seem interested in competing each game.

Hes still an 80 point player either way and is near or ppg in the playoffs as well. Those players don't get traded for goalies.

If the numbers (cap wise) works to bring Campbell back and add Holtby. If I'm Toronto, I'm going this way.

Yeah thats the least amount of risk I believe.

 

[McClelland]

Dubas created the goalie problem himself, dumped Andersen who is a top 10 goalie in the leuage, i would say top 5.

And also the backup gongshow so they couldnt rest Andersen enough for the playoffs.

They will not /cant afford to upgrade Campbell.

 

[thusk]

You know so little about hockey I'm hesitant to respond. Nylander is an 80 point winger who is also just as productive in the play offs. You need a nap your drunk.


I'd bring back Campbell and sign holtby as back up.

With wich you having the best chance to win the cup

With a 1 pts/ game winger or elite goalie...oups tampa already respond to it when they won with vasilevskiy without stamkos.

The most important player in a hockey team is the goalie, thats why tampa a so hard to beat in playoff. Get a guy able to make you win 1-0 or 2-1 in a match #7 having much more value than a winger. How many goalie battle leafs need to loose again on every key game to understand how important is a good goalie in your tean

 

[AuraSphere]

I've watched plenty of Gibson and think he's the leafs best option, I'm just not willing to give up a couple 1sts + Robertson+ Sandin to get him.

Don't think thats the ask. Seems like the ask is pretty much 1st + Robertson + Mrazek

Dubas created the goalie problem himself, dumped Andersen who is a top 10 goalie in the leuage, i would say top 5.

And also the backup gongshow so they couldnt rest Andersen enough for the playoffs.

They will not /cant afford to upgrade Campbell.

They quite easily can if they trade Muzzin. Problems will arise once Matthews contract is up though. So we can easily afford 2 years of Gibson, but the latter 3 gets difficult