Value of: John Gibson to the Leafs

[thusk]

There's no guarantee Gibson bounces back on a better team. If he does then the acquiring team has a great goalie, if he doesn't they have a terrible cap dump for the next 5 years at 6.4 million.

If i count every goalie im taking before gibson in my team, i stop at 4... still personnal but i dont think leafs can find a better goalie in the next 5 season than Gibson...so yes its a risk but a really low one....


Oh the 4 goalie i had before is vasilevskiy, shesterkins, sorokin and saros... and yes i taking gibson over an hellebuyck

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

There's no guarantee Gibson bounces back on a better team. If he does then the acquiring team has a great goalie, if he doesn't they have a terrible cap dump for the next 5 years at 6.4 million.

Thats why your getting Gibson cheaper than what hed go for 3 years ago.

If there was a gurentee he went back to form wed be asking for Matthews/Marner... not 1st + Knies/Robinson + cap dump.... and if he was playing where he was 3 years enough... wed laugh at you for offering Knies.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Thats why your getting Gibson cheaper than what hed go for 3 years ago.

If there was a gurentee he went back to form wed be asking for Matthews/Marner... not 1st + Knies/Robinson + cap dump.... and if he was playing where he was 3 years enough... wed laugh at you for offering Knies.

Don't say you'd be asking for Matthews or Marner because you wouldn't/

You went to far there

 

[Eggtimer]

If i count every goalie im taking before gibson in my team, i stop at 4... still personnal but i dont think leafs can find a better goalie in the next 5 season than Gibson...so yes its a risk but a really low one....


Oh the 4 goalie i had before is vasilevskiy, shesterkins, sorokin and saros... and yes i taking gibson over an hellebuyck

Can I take your time machine for a rip after your done? Because I assume that’s how you are getting Gibson to be a top 4 goalie. Gibson from 2018

 

[thusk]

Can I take your time machine for a rip after your done? Because I assume that’s how you are getting Gibson to be a top 4 goalie. Gibson from 2018

How do you want any goalie look good with an half of AHL team. The only difference between ducks and a team like montreal right now is gibson

Vaakanainen-drysdale
Mahura- shattenkirk
Benoit-sustr

That was full defensive line up to finish the season. Its a complete ahl line up... ducks had 3 good d fowler /lindholm/ manson. At jan 31, sv % of gibson was at 0.922%and they fall at 2 good d in jan 29 when they lost manson. Lost lindholm at trade deadline.

Withdraw hedman mcdonaugh, cernak and foote to vasilevskiy... do you think vasilevskiy will stay with the same stats?!?!

And I didnt talk about foward group...

Gibson of 2022 is the same goalie than 2018 but in a worst team by far...

 

[AuraSphere]

1st + Robertson + Mrazek just makes too much sense if we can trade Muzzin to someone for like a 3rd.

Giordano practically covers Muzzin, Sandin finally needs a full-time role. 5M cap space freed up can be used towards a good goalie.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

1st + Robertson + Mrazek just makes too much sense if we can trade Muzzin to someone for like a 3rd.

Giordano practically covers Muzzin, Sandin finally needs a full-time role. 5M cap space freed up can be used towards a good goalie.

I really don't want to see Muzzin traded

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

1st + Robertson + Mrazek just makes too much sense if we can trade Muzzin to someone for like a 3rd.

Giordano practically covers Muzzin, Sandin finally needs a full-time role. 5M cap space freed up can be used towards a good goalie.

I feel like you could prob toss muzzin into the trade.... Anaheim prob could use a Vet LHD in their defense.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I feel like you could prob toss muzzin into the trade.... Anaheim prob could use a Vet LHD in their defense.

it would suck but I would do it

I love Muzzin and losing him creates a massive hole but have might have to go

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

it would suck but I would do it

I love Muzzin and losing him creates a massive hole but have might have to go

It depends... i feel like Sandin is more than ready.

Whats the defense look like without muzzin?

Rielly Brodie
Gio Liljegren
Sandin Holl

- Maybe you try to find a cheap vet to fill in bottom 4 for depth... i suppose anaheim could prob throw you rights of larsson/Guhle/Mahura.... seeing as i doubt well keep all 3.... if i remeber correctly toronto was a team that was high on larsson in his draft year

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It depends... i feel like Sandin is more than ready.

Whats the defense look like without muzzin?

Rielly Brodie
Gio Liljegren
Sandin Holl

I highly HIGHLY doubt Holl is back he makes to many mistakes, way WAY to many mistakes

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I highly HIGHLY doubt Holl is back he makes to many mistakes, way WAY to many mistakes

I agree.. might be easier to move him for a pick... then use that cap space to bring in a good bottom pairing guy.

Maybe a Gudbranson/Zadarov type.

Should still have some money to help improve 3rd line.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I agree.. might be easier to move him for a pick... then use that cap space to bring in a good bottom pairing guy.

Maybe a Gudbranson/Zadarov type.

Should still have some money to help improve 3rd line.

With Muzzin in the trade what does a deal look like from your perspective for Gibson ?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If i count every goalie im taking before gibson in my team, i stop at 4... still personnal but i dont think leafs can find a better goalie in the next 5 season than Gibson...so yes its a risk but a really low one....


Oh the 4 goalie i had before is vasilevskiy, shesterkins, sorokin and saros... and yes i taking gibson over an hellebuyck

Gibson over Hellebyuck is interesting

 

[Gliff]

With Muzzin in the trade what does a deal look like from your perspective for Gibson ?

I said it before, but Muzzin has no value at best imo. His contract until 35 and decline in play is not attractive.

If he is coming to Anaheim it is just to make the cap work. Not sure if he is negative value like Mrazek, but he forsure isn’t a selling point in a package.

 

[thusk]

I said it before, but Muzzin has no value at best imo. His contract until 35 and decline in play is not attractive.

If he is coming to Anaheim it is just to make the cap work. Not sure if he is negative value like Mrazek, but he forsure isn’t a selling point in a package.

Yep muzzin is not good anymore

Leafs def before muzzin injury
#5 ( after 36 game)
End of season finishing #19 ( dropnof 14 place second half without muzzin)

Campbell sv %
with muzzin 0.932
End of season 0.914

+ muzzin/brodie was best pairing of toronto in playoff

But sure hes declining and dont have any value...

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

With Muzzin in the trade what does a deal look like from your perspective for Gibson ?

I think basically same type of deal.
I don’t think there is trade value in muzzin, but ducks would value him enough to take him as part of the deal.
Anaheim can flip muzzin at 50 to a playoff team later on.

Yep muzzin is not good anymore

Leafs def before muzzin injury
#5 ( after 36 game)
End of season finishing #19 ( dropnof 14 place second half without muzzin)

Campbell sv %
with muzzin 0.932
End of season 0.914

+ muzzin/brodie was best pairing of toronto in playoff

But sure hes declining and dont have any value...

I think it’s the pay/contract that isn’t good not so much muzzin.

 

[81Leafs50]

its as simple as this, in games 6 and 7 he didnt let in a 'weak' goal, Tampa just sacrificed more in front of the net, and TB doesnt have a defender as weak as Holl protecting the front of the net (his fault on the OT winner)
...like vs MTL, we just didnt score, and then when we did, it got called back on a BS penalty call. (he did let in one costly stinker to Gallagher vs MTL, but 3 kicks at the can, and cant outscore a team that struggles to score, we deserved the loss)

Kampf beat Vasy twice from distance, and almost had a 3rd, and we can all agree, he's not a typical offensive threat.
we made Vasy look ordinary, he didnt beat us, Tampa's dedication/body sacrifice in front of him did.

goals 1 and 2 were weak in game 6. I'm not going to talk about the other goals cause you are in love with Campbell and nothing is going to change that. HE SUCKS

 

[thusk]

I think basically same type of deal.
I don’t think there is trade value in muzzin, but ducks would value him enough to take him as part of the deal.
Anaheim can flip muzzin at 50 to a playoff team later on.


I think it’s the pay/contract that isn’t good not so much muzzin.

A top 3 dmen pretty solid defensive side, how do you think its cost? A guy like ristolainen just resign at 5.1M and Muzzin >> risto

The reality is leafs cant move muzzin, they dont have any body to replace him? Giordano? Hes 39!!! You cant expect him to play in your 1st shutdown pair around 22-23 every night. Liljegren or sandin? Not enought good defensive side, Holl?!?!?! Just no

 

[BlueBaron]

A top 3 dmen pretty solid defensive side, how do you think its cost? A guy like ristolainen just resign at 5.1M and Muzzin >> risto

The reality is leafs cant move muzzin, they dont have any body to replace him? Giordano? Hes 39!!! You cant expect him to play in your 1st shutdown pair around 22-23 every night. Liljegren or sandin? Not enought good defensive side, Holl?!?!?! Just no

It would indeed be relying heavily on the kids. At best you count heavily on one more year of top 4 Gio and you are then looking at Holl back in the mix.

I'm warming up to Muzzin on the right of Sandin. Gio with Timmy. Call them both 2bs. See how it plays out. We'll sleep better this way. Gio is Muzzin insurance and we need those cup rings.

Robertson and 1rst in 23 should be our foundation. I think Kerfoot could pay for Mrazek with a 3rd and a prospect if you want to go that extra step. And I don't mean Knies.

Both in real life and especially on HF we should probably keep him. The narrative is always going to be if we want to trade a guy he is garbage. We don't need to trade anyone. Even Mrazek can be bought out.

Dubas has to get value or its a step back.

Edit note: We have to trade Holl for sure.

 

[Gliff]

Yep muzzin is not good anymore

Leafs def before muzzin injury
#5 ( after 36 game)
End of season finishing #19 ( dropnof 14 place second half without muzzin)

Campbell sv %
with muzzin 0.932
End of season 0.914

+ muzzin/brodie was best pairing of toronto in playoff

But sure hes declining and dont have any value...

I didn’t mean he has no value to anyone. I’m talking from the Ducks perspective. He doesn’t fit the rebuild and will be 35 at the end of his contract.

From what I have seen (I’m assuming much less then you) he has lost a step compared to even last year. Add in his health issues and it isn’t really something I want as a return for arguably the Ducks best player.

 

[thusk]

It would indeed be relying heavily on the kids. At best you count heavily on one more year of top 4 Gio and you are then looking at Holl back in the mix.

I'm warming up to Muzzin on the right of Sandin. Gio with Timmy. Call them both 2bs. See how it plays out. We'll sleep better this way. Gio is Muzzin insurance and we need those cup rings.

Robertson and 1rst should be our foundation. I think Kerfoot could pay for Mrazek with a 3rd and a prospect if you want to go that extra step. And I don't mean Knies.

Both in real life and especially on HF we should probably keep him. The narrative is always going to be if we want to trade a guy he is garbage. We don't need to trade anyone. Even Mrazek can be bought out.

Dubas has to get value or its a step back.

Edit note: We have to trade Holl for sure.

Sandin/liljegren could be better target too. I really love those kids but in long term, it will be pretty hard to keep sandin, liljegren and morgan rielly on the same line up... their game are too similar. You can add niemela too... soon or late one of sandin or liljegren will need to leave toronto... Maybe its time to do it right now to get a huge missing piece.

I didn’t mean he has no value to anyone. I’m talking from the Ducks perspective. He doesn’t fit the rebuild and will be 35 at the end of his contract.

From what I have seen (I’m assuming much less then you) he has lost a step compared to even last year. Add in his health issues and it isn’t really something I want as a return for arguably the Ducks best pla

ok yes muzzin doesnt make any sense for ducks. Like i said before in this message, liljegren and sandin are better target defensive side.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Sandin/liljegren could be better target too. I really love those kids but in long term, it will be pretty hard to keep sandin, liljegren and morgan rielly on the same line up... their game are too similar. You can add niemela too... soon or late one of sandin or liljegren will need to leave toronto... Maybe its time to do it right now to get a huge missing piece.

I think a package of 2022 1st + Robertson + kerfoot + Mrazek is the deal give or take. Its basically 1st + Robertson + a 2nd or couple 3rds + Mrazek. I think its a fair deal all things considered. I'd maybe add a d prospect like kral of villeneuve if it was necessary as well.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Sandin/liljegren could be better target too. I really love those kids but in long term, it will be pretty hard to keep sandin, liljegren and morgan rielly on the same line up... their game are too similar. You can add niemela too... soon or late one of sandin or liljegren will need to leave toronto... Maybe its time to do it right now to get a huge missing piece.



ok yes muzzin doesnt make any sense for ducks. Like i said before in this message, liljegren and sandin are better target defensive side.

We can't trade Liljegren or Sandin. Liljegren will be our version of Devon toews and Sandin is our 2nd best d in transition and his ability to outlet pass is phenomenal. If he gets a little faster hes basically Reilly but more physical with less high end speed.

 

[thusk]

I think a package of 2022 1st + Robertson + kerfoot + Mrazek is the deal give or take. Its basically 1st + Robertson + a 2nd or couple 3rds + Mrazek. I think its a fair deal all things considered. I'd maybe add a d prospect like kral of villeneuve if it was necessary as well.

We can't trade Liljegren or Sandin. Liljegren will be our version of Devon toews and Sandin is our 2nd best d in transition and his ability to outlet pass is phenomenal. If he gets a little faster hes basically Reilly but more physical with less high end speed.

I think a deal including sandin or liljegren over robertson could make sense for leafs too because like i said earlier, i dont know how leafs can play with 3 or 4 offensive/puck mover dman in the same line up can be a good idea

I see liljegren closer of an stralman than toews