Value of: John Gibson at the draft

[Legion34]

I don’t think it means someone hates Canada if they don’t want to move there. Moving to a new country isn’t exactly appealing to everyone. I love the UK but wouldn’t want to move there.

Canada isn’t a new country to him. He played about what 50 miles from Toronto’s rink for years.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Canada isn’t a new country to him. He played about what 50 miles from Toronto’s rink for years.

He gets less profit in Canada, given the high income tax prices. Also, he gets lots of attention in Canadian hockey, so he probably wants to be removed from all of that pressure.

 

[Erndog]

they should look at this regardless of how far they go because no matter what Marazek does he can't come back.

even if he went on a Disney type run and won a cup he can't come back.

So you're suggesting the Leafs get rid of their bad, overpriced goalie for another bad goalie whos even more overpriced and for many more years?

You're remembering who John Gibson WAS and not who he currently IS. We are now at 3 full seasons of average to below-average play.

 

[Legion34]

He gets less profit in Canada, given the high income tax prices. Also, he gets lots of attention in Canadian hockey, so he probably wants to be removed from all of that pressure.

1.) we don’t know if Toronto or all of Canada are on his list. In fact technically If he doesn’t want to go anywhere Canada is probably unlikely.
Why waste a spot on teams with star goalies like helle and price or markstrom or demko

2.) I Don’t disagree that Toronto and Edmonton might be on his list. I’m not saying he would want to come to Toronto. But if he doesn’t it’s not because it’s a new country.

He might not want to stay in Cali. The taxes are getting insane. Dadanov put Anaheim on his left. 32 thoughts referenced taxes.

Who knows anymore. If Gibson wants to win. I would be surprised if he didn’t want to go to Toronto. He might put it there to see if washing ton or Pitt first. But ultimately torojto gives a better chance than Anaheim

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I mean I'm really big on Gibson - but saying Sandin/Lily + Robertson + 2022 1st is essentially saying 3 1st round picks for Gibson. None of them have regressed in value and are still A+ prospects. A bit too much for my taste. 1st + one of the names you mentioned probably gets it done.

It’s crazy that leafs have like 9 A+ prospects

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

It’s crazy that leafs have like 9 A+ prospects

Sandin and Liljegren aren't prospects they are top 4 d man, I'd say Robertson is a B+, Knies is an A, Aubresse is B+, and Niemela is an A. We also have prospects Like Amirov and Holmberg who are B+. Leafs don't have the best prospect pool but it is deep with very good prospects.

 

[Gliff]

Sandin and Liljegren aren't prospects they are top 4 d man, I'd say Robertson is a B+, Knies is an A, Aubresse is B+, and Niemela is an A. We also have prospects Like Amirov and Holmberg who are B+. Leafs don't have the best prospect pool but it is deep with very good prospects.

“Don’t have the best prospect pools” but lists 4 B+ prospects and 2 A prospects.

Just for reference that’s probably better then I would describe the top 6 Ducks prospects and they have the best pool in the league.

 

[AuraSphere]

It’s crazy that leafs have like 9 A+ prospects

Don't think anyone mentioned 9, you can laugh or talk shit all you want - but truth is the 3 I mentioned would go in the first round if re-drafted - and if I'm wrong, please do try to tell me why.

I'm the furthest thing from a homer if you look at my posts. Robertson, Knies, Niemela are all 1st round level prospects. And when I said A+ - I don't mean blue-chip if that's where you're mistaken. I categorize A prospects as first round worthy prospects with the + being top 15 level

Sandin/Liljegren have already been playing in the NHL and are young kids showing top 4 potential. We traded Durzi before we traded Liljegren - and look what he's doing - does that mean nothing?

Overall I'd say these are 5 prospects that should be valued highly. And they're our prospect pool over the past 5 years - it's not hard to bellieve you could have one good prospect/year

 

[AuraSphere]

“Don’t have the best prospect pools” but lists 4 B+ prospects and 2 A prospects.

OP said Robertson is B+ - yet he's a 20 year old going PPG in his first rookie AHL season. I'm not sure what more you'd want from a kid to classify as a good prospect.

OP rated Robertson below Knies and Niemela - that should tell you something that our prospect pool isn't as "WEAK" as people make it out to be.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

“Don’t have the best prospect pools” but lists 4 B+ prospects and 2 A prospects.

Just for reference that’s probably better then I would describe the top 6 Ducks prospects and they have the best pool in the league.

Wouldn't Drysdale be considered A+ franchise prospect ?

 

[Gliff]

Wouldn't Drysdale be considered A+ franchise prospect ?

Drysdale isn’t a prospect.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Drysdale isn’t a prospect.

I meant when he was, I'm aware he's played all season.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

He’s been below average for 3 years and is signed for 5 more seasons. He should not get a big return.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

The Ducks are in a full on rebuild, that was made very clear this season when Manson, Rakell and Lindholm were traded at or near the deadline.

You have to wonder how John Gibson feels about that, is he OK going through a rebuild? and if he isn't and he does want to move on what could he get at the draft?

the market for goaltending going into the summer does seem rather limited

it's Edmonton, Toronto, Probably Buffalo /but I doubt he'd go there, maybe Vergas because Vegas is always in on everything.

But realistically it would appear to be Toronto, Edmonton and Buffalo.

Washington may very well be in that mix as well.

 

[Gliff]

I meant when he was, I'm aware he's played all season.

Then what does it matter what he was? He doesn't effect the current Ducks prospect pool.

 

[bsu]

I don't know why but I think we trade him to NJD.

 

[Gliff]

I don't know why but I think we trade him to NJD.

I'll take 1 Luke Hughes to go please.

 

[SherVaughn30]

I don't know why but I think we trade him to NJD.

As a Caps fan I hope not. Gibson is still a tough goalie to beat when he's playing his best. If the Devils got Gibson and improve their D-group, they would be a playoff team and a competitive team in the Metro Division.

 

[TommyDangles]

As a Caps fan I hope not. Gibson is still a tough goalie to beat when he's playing his best. If the Devils got Gibson and improve their D-group, they would be a playoff team and a competitive team in the Metro Division.

Every goalie is tough when they're playing at their best. Improve the D and you can make any goalie look good. Better off signing a guy in FA instead of giving up assets for Gibson and his contract.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

1.) we don’t know if Toronto or all of Canada are on his list. In fact technically If he doesn’t want to go anywhere Canada is probably unlikely.
Why waste a spot on teams with star goalies like helle and price or markstrom or demko

2.) I Don’t disagree that Toronto and Edmonton might be on his list. I’m not saying he would want to come to Toronto. But if he doesn’t it’s not because it’s a new country.

He might not want to stay in Cali. The taxes are getting insane. Dadanov put Anaheim on his left. 32 thoughts referenced taxes.

Who knows anymore. If Gibson wants to win. I would be surprised if he didn’t want to go to Toronto. He might put it there to see if washing ton or Pitt first. But ultimately torojto gives a better chance than Anaheim

Of course, this is all hypothetical, for both you and me.

 

[CDN24]

Sandin/Lily
Robertson
2022 1st
2023 3rd
Kerfoot/Mrazek (cap)

For
Gibson+Comtois

Fun Fact Both Gibson and Comtois were drafted with Picks once held by the Leafs

• at the 2011 Draft Leafs trade the 30th pick OA and the 39th OA to the Ducks for the 22 OA (leafs draft Stuart Percy-Ducks draft Richard Rackell and Gibson)
• June 2016 Leafs trade a 1st 30 OA and a 2nd 50OA to Ducks for Freddy Andersson. Ducks draft Sam Steel and Comtois with the picks.

There are lots of decent players out there drafted with picks that belonged to the Leafs at one point - seems like 1/2 them ended up with Ducks at some point.

• Kase (pick was acquired from Ducks in Steckel trade and then traded back to ducks along with 2nd rounder that became Marcus Petterson (now with Pens) for Patrick Holland and Brad staubitz
• Josh Manson was a Leafs pick - swapped with Anaheim for their 6th the next year,
• Then obviously guys like Seguin/Hamilton from Kessel trade
• The pick ultimately used to draft Roman Josi was traded from Leafs to Coyotes for Yanick Perrault back in 2007 (Preds traded with Coyotes to get that pick at 2008 draft)
• Seth Jarvis - in Marleau trade
• Travis Konecny (Leafs traded down got the picks to pick Carllsson and Braco)

Moral of the story - trading away picks helps now but you may find yourself coveting players that were drafted with those picks in a future trade deadline.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Fun Fact Both Gibson and Comtois were drafted with Picks once held by the Leafs

• at the 2011 Draft Leafs trade the 30th pick OA and the 39th OA to the Ducks for the 22 OA (leafs draft Stuart Percy-Ducks draft Richard Rackell and Gibson)
• June 2016 Leafs trade a 1st 30 OA and a 2nd 50OA to Ducks for Freddy Andersson. Ducks draft Sam Steel and Comtois with the picks.

There are lots of decent players out there drafted with picks that belonged to the Leafs at one point - seems like 1/2 them ended up with Ducks at some point.

• Kase (pick was acquired from Ducks in Steckel trade and then traded back to ducks along with 2nd rounder that became Marcus Petterson (now with Pens) for Patrick Holland and Brad staubitz
• Josh Manson was a Leafs pick - swapped with Anaheim for their 6th the next year,
• Then obviously guys like Seguin/Hamilton from Kessel trade
• The pick ultimately used to draft Roman Josi was traded from Leafs to Coyotes for Yanick Perrault back in 2007 (Preds traded with Coyotes to get that pick at 2008 draft)
• Seth Jarvis - in Marleau trade
• Travis Konecny (Leafs traded down got the picks to pick Carllsson and Braco)

Moral of the story - trading away picks helps now but you may find yourself coveting players that were drafted with those picks in a future trade deadline.

True but the chances you draft those same players at that pick are slim to none

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Don't think the Leafs can risk paying a super high price for Gibson hoping his numbers rebound. I personally would but Leafs management with the cap structure going forward probably won't. Sucks cause I think he could be great here.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Don't think the Leafs can risk paying a super high price for Gibson hoping his numbers rebound. I personally would but Leafs management with the cap structure going forward probably won't. Sucks cause I think he could be great here.

I would love for the Leafs to go after a goalie like Fleury, instead of Gibson.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I would love for the Leafs to go after a goalie like Fleury, instead of Gibson.

Fleury was an option at the deadline, I dont see the Leafs targeting him in the offseason, they need a long term solution. Gibson would be amazing for the leafs but the cost + Leafs cap structure probably won't allow for it.