Value of: John Gibson at the draft

[PostBradMalone]

One of Edmonton’s next three 1sts, Broberg, Kassian, and Smith for Gibson? Smith probably refuses to play in the AHL (which is where he belongs) if you try to send him there after a trade, meaning only Kassian’s contract sticks. It’s a net increase of $1M to Edmonton’s cap but as it happens that is exactly how much it is expected to increase by next season, so we would still be able to fit it in.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

One of Edmonton’s next three 1sts, Broberg, Kassian, and Smith for Gibson? Smith probably refuses to play in the AHL (which is where he belongs) if you try to send him there after a trade, meaning only Kassian’s contract sticks. It’s a net increase of $1M to Edmonton’s cap but as it happens that is exactly how much it is expected to increase by next season, so we would still be able to fit it in.

I don't think Edmonton does that because I don't think they are moving a 1st AND Broberg

 

[KyleJRM]

I never understand why people think it is okay to check the stats and say shit like this.

No Ducks fan will ever say Stolarz is better then Gibson. We watch every game they play. Don’t you think if it was the case you would see Ducks fans trying to dumb Gibson all the time?

I am a Ducks fan. I watch every game. I don't know if I'd say "better" than Gibson, but I'm not convinced there's a noticeable difference.

In the beginning of the 2018-19 season, Gibson was playing amazing but had a bad team in front of him. That's probably the last time that was true. He's been getting steadily worse ever since. Can you blame it on mentality and guess that it might reverse itself? Absolutely, but there's a huge difference between "he could play better" and "he's playing fine it just doesn't look like it in his stats." He gives up soft goals on bad positioning and slow lateral movement.

A lot of his elite years came on the back of absolutely insane flexibility and athleticism, and that's hard to maintain for more than a couple of years, especially when you're 28 not 24 anymore.


It can take a long time for fans to accept that they've missed the window on a guy's peak value.

 

[AuraSphere]

Tavares is not a problem

His contract very much is - I'm not saying he's not a valuable player, but his contract is more hindering than it is useful. With the 11M given to him, it hinders the depth for the team. You could have 3 guys like Connor Brown, Kadri, and another top 4 dman. Heck we had to give up on a lot of players like Hyman because just no cap space.

He's not playing to his 11M value. Realistically if he were a UFA at the end of this season - he's a lot closer to the 7-8M range in terms of player value. Guys like Matthews are what deserve to make 11M.

Again - I still think Tavares is a solid player and great captain - but it's like signing Morgan Rielly or Nazem Kadri to an 11M contract

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Does not make sense for ANA. If they trade Gibson it means they are not contending in the next 2 years, and Nylander only has two years left on his contract. Where is the logic ?

so keep him then a trade has to make sense for both teams not just one

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

His contract very much is - I'm not saying he's not a valuable player, but his contract is more hindering than it is useful. With the 11M given to him, it hinders the depth for the team. You could have 3 guys like Connor Brown, Kadri, and another top 4 dman. Heck we had to give up on a lot of players like Hyman because just no cap space.

He's not playing to his 11M value. Realistically if he were a UFA at the end of this season - he's a lot closer to the 7-8M range in terms of player value. Guys like Matthews are what deserve to make 11M.

Again - I still think Tavares is a solid player and great captain - but it's like signing Morgan Rielly or Nazem Kadri to an 11M contract

What has that contract really cost us/

Kadti? you mean the absolute idiot that has gotten himself suspended in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years costing his team the series in at least 2 of those?

Hyman? Bunting has been better than Hyman ever was here

Conor Brown? I do miss him but even he isn't that big of a loss

I would suggest to you that the Tavares contract hasn't cost them a thing that they haven't been able to replace and in most cases upgrade on.

 

[AuraSphere]

What has that contract really cost us/

Kadti? you mean the absolute idiot that has gotten himself suspended in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years costing his team the series in at least 2 of those?

Hyman? Bunting has been better than Hyman ever was here

Conor Brown? I do miss him but even he isn't that big of a loss

I would suggest to you that the Tavares contract hasn't cost them a thing that they haven't been able to replace and in most cases upgrade on.

Man you are extremely delusional. It's not just about what it has cost us - there's opportunity cost that is also limited because of this. Yes we had to let go of some players like Hyman, Kadri, Connor Brown - but we also limit the room for free agents and other signings. For example - we have no room to do that trade for Lindholm that boston just pulled off.

In a nutshell - Tavares is overpaid, and his cap could have been used to shore up other areas where we are weak. Our 2nd line of Nylander-Tavares is brutal, we don't have a legitimate goalie, and our D core only now improved with acquiring Giordano at 50% cap.

Believe it or not - we got really fluky with bunting at his cap hit - otherwise our team looks very weak. We won't be able to sign mikhyev this off season either as a lot of our UFAs will be looking for raises

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Man you are extremely delusional. It's not just about what it has cost us - there's opportunity cost that is also limited because of this. Yes we had to let go of some players like Hyman, Kadri, Connor Brown - but we also limit the room for free agents and other signings. For example - we have no room to do that trade for Lindholm that boston just pulled off.

In a nutshell - Tavares is overpaid, and his cap could have been used to shore up other areas where we are weak. Our 2nd line of Nylander-Tavares is brutal, we don't have a legitimate goalie, and our D core only now improved with acquiring Giordano at 50% cap.

Believe it or not - we got really fluky with bunting at his cap hit - otherwise our team looks very weak. We won't be able to sign mikhyev this off season either as a lot of our UFAs will be looking for raises

Mikyehev is replaceable, just like Hyman was, Brown was, Kapanen and Johnsson were.

Depth players are replaceable, that's what makes them depth players, no matter how good they are they are always replaceable otherwise they wouldn't be depth players they would be core players.

 

[PensandCaps]

Hasn't been good in years, has an anchor of a cap hit for like 6 more years, im sure some dumb GM would give value for him, but in reality the Ducks should be giving up picks to get rid of him.

 

[McDonald19]

Question for Anaheim is whether they can continue their string of going from Giguere to Hiller to Andersen to Gibson. Is the next goalie right around the corner for them?

If not there may not be a major reason to move him unless he makes that request.

Dostal is very good, but might need one more AHL season.

 

[McDonald19]

Hasn't been good in years, has an anchor of a cap hit for like 6 more years, im sure some dumb GM would give value for him, but in reality the Ducks should be giving up picks to get rid of him.

Bad take of the day.

 

[PensandCaps]

Bad take of the day.

Its true though, he has sucked for a while now and has an awful contract. but like i said, I'm sure the ducks will get value for him just because of his name.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Its true though, he has sucked for a while now and has an awful contract. but like i said, I'm sure the ducks will get value for him just because of his name.

the Ducks suck too though you put Gibson on a better team like the Leafs, Oilers, or Avs and he will put up better numbers

 

[peconcan]

Sandin/Lily
Robertson
2022 1st
2023 3rd
Kerfoot/Mrazek (cap)

For
Gibson+Comtois

 

[PensandCaps]

the Ducks suck too though you put Gibson on a better team like the Leafs, Oilers, or Avs and he will put up better numbers

lol. yah the oilers, where goalies go to die.

The backups in Anaheim have posted better numbers than Gibson aswell.


Also, if a goalie's performance is reliant on the team around him, then maybe spending cap and trade assets on him is a waste.

 

[5 14 6 1]

Extremely overvalued. He has not had good stats in years.

Id still trade a 1st + Prospect + contract for him.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Sandin/Lily
Robertson
2022 1st
2023 3rd
Kerfoot/Mrazek (cap)

For
Gibson+Comtois

wtf lol

this is a goalie who's had average numbers for the last three years with one of the larger goalie cap hits in the league and you want to offer all this

 

[peconcan]

wtf lol

this is a goalie who's had average numbers for the last three years with one of the larger goalie cap hits in the league and you want to offer all this

It’s really not that much, we aren’t going to get him for free. Sandin or Lily and the 1st for Gibson, Robertson for Comtois which I think he’d help us more than Robertson will on the LW, then added the 3rd since we get to dump Mrazek or Kerfoot. Gibson is still an elite goalie he just plays on a terrible team as other posters said put him on a good team and he’ll have good numbers

 

[Erndog]

I worry the Leafs are going to look at this if they flame out this season.

I'm sure the Ducks would love to get rid of this contract. Unfortunately, I've got stuck with Gibson 2 yrs in a row in fantasy (well, I picked him last yr. This year I got stuck with him as there weren't other options). I've watched a lot of him the last 2 seasons because of this. He's just not any good anymore. In fact, I'd say he's well below average now. The contract length and price are just way too much considering his actual level of play on the ice. I'd steer farrrrr away.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I worry the Leafs are going to look at this if they flame out this season.

I'm sure the Ducks would love to get rid of this contract. Unfortunately, I've got stuck with Gibson 2 yrs in a row in fantasy (well, I picked him last yr. This year I got stuck with him as there weren't other options). I've watched a lot of him the last 2 seasons because of this. He's just not any good anymore. In fact, I'd say he's well below average now. The contract length and price are just way too much considering his actual level of play on the ice. I'd steer farrrrr away.

they should look at this regardless of how far they go because no matter what Marazek does he can't come back.

even if he went on a Disney type run and won a cup he can't come back.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I never understood this. Do American players really hate Canada that much that they would rather continue to play on a terrible team going through a rebuild than play for a playoff team in Toronto or Edmonton?

Doesnt exactly scream "he wants to win".

I don’t think it means someone hates Canada if they don’t want to move there. Moving to a new country isn’t exactly appealing to everyone. I love the UK but wouldn’t want to move there.

 

[AuraSphere]

Sandin/Lily
Robertson
2022 1st
2023 3rd
Kerfoot/Mrazek (cap)

For
Gibson+Comtois

I mean I'm really big on Gibson - but saying Sandin/Lily + Robertson + 2022 1st is essentially saying 3 1st round picks for Gibson. None of them have regressed in value and are still A+ prospects. A bit too much for my taste. 1st + one of the names you mentioned probably gets it done.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I am not a ANA fan, just saying I don t see the rationale behind the proposed deal. But thanks for showing me how wrong I am with this insightful comments. Certainly coming from a Bracco fan.

I dont even know how to make sense of this. because it feels like your on the same page as me but at same time giving me a hard time then going out of your way to insult me.
I mean how often are players like Nylander moved for a damn goalie upgrade?

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

New Jersey maybe taking him?

 

[GAGLine]

Mikyehev is replaceable, just like Hyman was, Brown was, Kapanen and Johnsson were.

Depth players are replaceable, that's what makes them depth players, no matter how good they are they are always replaceable otherwise they wouldn't be depth players they would be core players.

This argument doesn't really work when the Leafs haven't been able to get out of the first round. Simply replacing those players isn't enough to get the team over the hump.

Signing Tavares was a huge mistake, and the Leafs are still paying for it.