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Why can’t MTL retain right now and the other team would have him 2 playoff at 1.75$… MTL might be able to get a little more right now.
Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers
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Chiarot- 1st unprotected, smilanic, 4th
Kulak- 2nd, 7th
Giodano - 3x2nd (who had NTC that could have limited options)
All those guy were rental and Edmundson for two run at 1.75m$, if MTL isn’t getting similar value or more they can just wait and trade him at next years TDL, adding a guy that can play over 20min, you don’t need 14 teams to get you price you only need 1, and right now there a more than a couple of team that could use him in their top 4 especially because of the cap situation this year and next. I don’t see many tough 6’4 D that have 75 game of playoff +cup were they mostly been playing top 4 and avg over 20min per game… The price will be set if no one bites he isn’t being traded, MTL isn’t a playoff team the biggest gain from trading Edmundson this year would be that it help the tank, because they will like get similar return next years anyway.
Savard - 1st, 3rd, 4th
Chiarot- 1st unprotected, smilanic, 4th
Kulak- 2nd, 7th
Giodano - 3x2nd (who had NTC that could have limited options)
All those guy were rental and Edmundson for two run at 1.75m$, if MTL isn’t getting similar value or more they can just wait and trade him at next years TDL, adding a guy that can play over 20min, you don’t need 14 teams to get you price you only need 1, and right now there a more than a couple of team that could use him in their top 4 especially because of the cap situation this year and next. I don’t see many tough 6’4 D that have 75 game of playoff +cup were they mostly been playing top 4 and avg over 20min per game… The price will be set if no one bites he isn’t being traded, MTL isn’t a playoff team the biggest gain from trading Edmundson this year would be that it help the tank, because they will like get similar return next years anyway.
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I feel like I have explained why Edmnundson won't get a 1st back on multiple occasions. If he isn't available for less than a 1st, he isn't the answer to Edmonton's problem. Everyone thinks their 2nd pair defensemen will get that 1st round pick, but you fail to mention that the examples you gave that got firsts were seen as #2 guys on a top pair, not 2nd pair guys, and in Savards case, had another team involved eating 1/4 of his salary. I know everyone on HF wants a 1st for all of their players, but not every trade is going to involve your team bending over another team.
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Huge overpayment. The other night Suzuki sucked too so Maybe make it a 2nd and we will throw in Suzuki with his bad contract.
Many teams show no interest in retaining salary beyond the current season. But they could.
dirtydanglez
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xekaj is a glorified reserve dman. you can get them anywhere at the deadline. hes no lilegren or sandin
Different draft so you can not compare it to last year. Doing so would be like comparing a #4 D to prime Pronger. Apples and oranges.
Also to revisit the Chiarot trade shows HFBoards was right and he wasn’t worth a 1st but it only takes 1 dumb GM
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There is not a team in the league would not want him in their system
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Savard, Chiarot and Edmundson are all in the same tier of Dman… Edmundson is the most reliable defensively, the most experienced and youngest of the 3 + he isn’t a pure rental since he will have 1 year left with retention that will be 1.75M$, so even if you think he isn’t there is 2 years vs. rental.
You can say he is only a second pairing guy but Kulak who isn’t a guy that can play top 4 and was behind Edmundson (in MTL SC run Kulak wasn’t even in the lineup every night and playing <13min while Ed was playing >23min ) Kulak got back a 2nd as a rental lot depth #6/7 got move for 3rd-4th… You have to remember that all these pick are later in the round so less valuable.
In Savard case a 3rd team had to be involved to make the cap work if CBJ would have been able to make it work they would basically have received that pick it doesn’t really changes what TB had to pay. Also FLA gave a unprotected 1st in 2023 which was a gamble, the team giving up a 1st at this TDL won’t gamble has much since they have a pretty good idea of where he will finish and it also might be protected so the is a significant difference in value.
MTL doesn’t have to trade Edmundson, KH will set is price and if no one is willing to pay it he will wait till next TDL… There is always room to negotiate but unless there is a prospect with significant value I don’t see him being moved for less than a 1st, since that is the cost of a rental which he isn’t, team contending this year should also be contending next year so locking up a guy at 1.75M$ will not only give them 2 kick at the can but also room to make adjustments, heck they could even flip him at the next TDL… Even if MTL only get a 2nd next year, MTL will not have lost anything, there is no point of selling to the highest bidder if the bid isn’t good enough and you don’t have to sell. The price is well established around the league even if it fluctuate a bit it isn’t going from 1st++ for a rental to 2nd for a guy with terms, with many team having cap issues and Edmundson terms is value isn’t that much lower…
If team don’t want pay a 1st they don’t have too, just like MTL doesn’t have to trade player that will help team improve their D ending into the playoff.
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You sold a dead bird to a blind kid????
They’ve always managed to keep a team in their city though, so I guess there’s that…:
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Team don’t want to retain on multi year deal(3+years) there isn’t a issue retaining for 1 years especially with MTL cap situation and they would retain next years anyway… maybe earlier when MTL was hoping to trade Dadonov, Drouin with retention, trading or retaining on Edmundson wasn’t a option, but now it seem like MTL best trade chip.
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If Edmundson is what is promised I would trade a 1st. Oilers are in Win NOW! mode, and a big need is a 2nd pair defensive minded D. If Edmunddon is all that, I ,throw up a 1st, not minding if it is an overpay.
Dmen is the hardest the get nowadays.
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Chiarot got a much better return than I feel Edmundson will for a few reasons.
Teams pay for physicality. Edmundson's physicality has seriously declined over the years.
Icetime. Chiarot was - rightly or wrongly - being played 23 minutes on the top pairing. Edmundson isn't topping 20 minutes.
Montreal's surprise run to the finals. On the same team, Chiarot was much more valuable than Edmundson was in the same situation.
Injuries. Edmundson has barely played the last two years. Chiarot was very healthy.
If the Habs find the right sucker, they might get a low first for Edmundson, but that team would have to be 100% convinced that he's the missing piece to get them a Cup, while lacking the analytics department that would identify him as putting up pretty awful advanced stats despite an offensive zone push.
I don't see it. I'd pay more for Savard than Edmundson. Edmundson has a reputation for being a solid defensive D, but the results don't jive with that today.
Teams pay for physicality. Edmundson's physicality has seriously declined over the years.
Icetime. Chiarot was - rightly or wrongly - being played 23 minutes on the top pairing. Edmundson isn't topping 20 minutes.
Montreal's surprise run to the finals. On the same team, Chiarot was much more valuable than Edmundson was in the same situation.
Injuries. Edmundson has barely played the last two years. Chiarot was very healthy.
If the Habs find the right sucker, they might get a low first for Edmundson, but that team would have to be 100% convinced that he's the missing piece to get them a Cup, while lacking the analytics department that would identify him as putting up pretty awful advanced stats despite an offensive zone push.
I don't see it. I'd pay more for Savard than Edmundson. Edmundson has a reputation for being a solid defensive D, but the results don't jive with that today.
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Oilers need someone like a healthy Chychrun far more than a washed up Edmundson. Oilers really need two-way dmen and Edmundson is simply not that.
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He wasn’t worth a 1st but ended up to being traded not for a 2022 1st but a unprotected 2023 which is even more valuable + a prospect + 4th… it only take one GM, and the only reason that GM paid it because there were other offers or he was under the impression there was others interested.
I agree that a unprotected 2023 was over payment but 1st 2022 +3rd+4th they probably had more than one similar value offers on the table, FLA won the bid with the 2023 1st… to expect a late or protected 1st for a similar player with better track record and doesn’t need to be traded/great terms (2 playoff 1.75M$) isn’t crazy.
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Just make it Edmundson straight up for Puljujarvi. You add to a position of weakness from a position of strength. No 1st rd picks need to be included.
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