Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers
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viceroy
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Well he held that position on the Blues when they won the Stanley Cup Finals. Also he held that with the Habs when they made it to the Stanley Cup Finals.
How have your vaunted Oilers fared in the last few? even with two of the best in the league? Don't take pot shots sunshine.
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They do have a point - Edmundson has been hurt, hasn't played much, and his play his season hasn't been great. I expect that he'll get back to good old steady Eddy soon enough and will compare well to Savard or Chiarot, but I'm projecting a bit. Someone trading for him now might not be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
All that being said, if he isn't fetching a 2nd and a mid-round pick (for retention) at the very, very least, he's just not getting moved this deadline. I know this gets said here a lot, but for a guy with another season on his deal, it's a valid point. We could say that about Lehkonen last season, while we couldn't about Chiarot - he was going to whoever was offering the best deal.
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You are right he was 5th in CAR in TOI but that team was probably top 5 defensively So by your logic that would be a top four on a other team… There are presently more than a couple of playoff team that have worst D man in there top 4, especially if you looking to make it far in the playoff. The fact that Mtl is a rebuilding team with D core is made up Savard, 4 rookies, Wideman, with Matheson and Edmundson missing the start of the season doesn’t make change that fact that he could likely play top 4 on 1/3 to almost half the team in the league, even team that have better top 4 they likely don’t have a better #5 or #6… he isn’t a fringe player being push into a bigger or filling a spot on the bench…
Except I don’t think anyone will pay a 1st for a guy who is on the third pairing.
Habs Halifax
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Tampa did with Savard. Doesn't mean all teams will pay that price though.
Edmundson's value is the boring stuff. Top 4D who is mobile/physical and can play both sides. Won't put up much points but has this year and next year in term left.
His true value means nothing. This is about what teams offer us at the deadline in a overpayment market due to supply/demand in a tight salary cap. If the Habs retain 50%, that's very good value for two playoff runs for a guy who is a top 4D and can play both sides.
Fair enough. Good luck getting that. As a jets fan I would not like if they traded a 1st for a third pairing guy and prefer our top 4 over him.
Habs Halifax
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Best play the Habs can through out there is 50% retention ($1.75M AAV) and see how it plays out. $1.75M for two seasons allows teams to add Eddy and also room to go after other improvements.
Edmundson is not far off from what E Lindell provides for the Stars. And when you factor in $5M AAV vs $1.75M, you get the point right? Edmundson is not just a 3rd pairing guy. He's a good fit for someone who moves the puck well and is a bit on the soft side.
You rather trade a 1st for a bigger piece. I get that and it's your choice. Not many want to trade 1st rounders even if it's back of the bus.
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Exactly team that don’t need Edmundson won’t trade for Edmundson… Even if those team aren’t willing to pay a first he would still improve their team, you can be sure that there is a price at which they would be ready to make a deal (many team could use him), So there is demand for him, some team having it lower on their priority list doesn’t change the value he bring to the other teams that have D has their biggest need or that value that has been set for these type of players. The value of a player isn’t set by the few teams that don’t need him, it is set by how many player with is skill set is available, how many teams are trying to acquire him and the how desperate is the team trying trade him away…
29yo 6’4 stay at home D can play over 20min of playoff hockey against the best on the the other side. Has plenty of experience doing it with cup and SCF.
Sign next year at 3.5M$ which mean he could potentially be end up being 1.75M$ on the cap and play for 2 playoff (could also be flip at the next TDL).
The are plenty of big 3rd pairing guy that can’t hack more time of responsibility, Edmundson has a proven track record there aren’t too many player like this available for less… Forget Savard and Chiarot comparable (which are the closest) look at Lyubushkin and Kulak if they are worth 2nd has rentals so a late 1st for 2 playoff of Edmundson isn’t that far off.
There a few playoffs team that have true 3rd pairing D playing in bigger role which fine right now but will probably cause the downfall of the team come playoff time. Lot of team with cap issues trying to contend this year and next so it make sense to spend asset on a guy with term vs. a pure rental + having room to make other moves.
He still a one year left on is deal, MTL can way for next years even if he is awful he will more than like be worth a 3rd to a team looking to had depth or experience, the team that are looking to acquire him are on the clock going into the playoff and their cup window, MTL is rebuilding and are in no way desperate to trade him.
You nailed it. It’s supply and demand if he’s the best d or top 2 available at tdl someone will pay it. If not mtl has to lower their sights or keep him.
Habs Halifax
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Aside from Chychrun, who may be available on D?
Klingberg, Gostisbehere, Shattenkirk?
Yea I don’t know only time will tell who is still in hunt and who is available. Sounds like a good list you made.
Habs Halifax
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Depends on what type of D man teams are after though right? If your cup contender already has offensive types, they probably are after the mobile/physical guys who can be trusted right?
I do think if the Habs offer 50% retention, Eddy for 2 seasons at $1.75M is very good value. Most will not admit it
Habs Halifax
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Personally, I think teams will look to add a guy like Eddy cause they get more than one playoffs and they would really like that $1.75M cap hit because it leaves room to add other improvements.
Very similar to the Panthers adding Chiarot and Giroux and the Avs adding Manson and Lehkonen.
^This is an example of a terrible post. I acknowledged that he may be performing better than I've seen, and that is somehow taking "pot shots." The shot at the Oilers is just strange. The whole point is to improve the Oilers, so obviously the past performance is sub-par. The question is whether or not Edmundson is the player to accomplish that - especially given the cap constraints.
What he did 4 years ago playing behind Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Bouwmeester, or what he did in Montreal's cup run to enable Carey Price to need to put up a super-human performance aren't super relevant to him being a #4 on a bad defense today, which would have him likely as a 3rd pairing on a cup contender this year.
None of this is overly controversial - and again, I fully acknowledge that Edmundson may be exceeding what I've seen and what has shown up in the data.
TL;DR: Settle down.
And I’m sure the panthers are now regretting it unprotected and they might not make playoffs.
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Eddy must have heard chatter about the possibility of him going to the Oilers and he decided to make sure it doesn't happen by trying to take the Head off one of their players last game.
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Another good reason to trade for a player with term like Edmundson vs. a rental.
Panthers also should have taught about it when acquiring Thachuk maybe Weeger isn’t one of a kind but he was a important piece for them and they weren’t able to place him…
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1ST I'm a Hab fan.
2ND . If i'm being honest with myself i don't believe that Eddy ends up getting a 1st.
So that moves it back to a 2nd minimum.
Puljujarvi contract is up at the end of the season so really not a cap dump.
Puljujarvi for a late 2nd. Ya i'd take the risk.
I think Savard would be more of an interest to contending teams.
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The thing is that there aren’t that many team that have 4 D better than Edmundson, the issue is that he had zero flash to is game. He isn’t a fringe player being trust on a role on a bad team or being carried or a passenger on a team having playoff success. He is a top 4 D playing on a bad team right now and was a top 4 playing on good team. Your thinking of player like Schenn, Kulak playing 10min on cup team and now playing 17min on weaker D, those are 3rd pairing D being put in bigger role because of how weak the D is and would have a smaller role on a better team.
Edmundson can handle playing 20min a game he has done so successfully on winning team, he would be in the top 4 or in the conversation on a lot of team.
Looking at the top teams in the league and the #4 D I think if Edmundson were to magically appear on there roster he would probably beat out 3 of the 4 for that 4th spot.
BOS #4 Forbort
VGK #4 Whitecloud
TOR #4 Sandin or Holl
NJ #4 Graves
EDM like TOR are team with lot of fire power, cap contraintes, soft or weak D and a good window in the next 2 years with there star player. They need some big tough D that can play be reliable to play lot of hard minute and PK. Edmundson should be the exact type of player they are looking to add now for the next 2 playoff. Not everyone might agree on the price and if there are better and less expensive options than teams will turn to those player… considering that recent trade history of D at the TDL and all the comparable I don’t think a late 1st is that big of a stretch for a player with 2 years left.
You make a number of good points, but there is something that needs a bit of support. As I mentioned, the eye-test when I've seen him has not been good. The analytics from a couple of seasons ago were awful. Have the analytics improved? Are the occasions I've seen him an anomaly?
That is all I have to go on, and nobody has made a compelling argument to the contrary other than to say he plays top 4 minutes along with vague descriptors.
Hopefully he defends in hockey more effectively than posters have been defending his value.
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