Proposal: Joel Edmundson to Oilers

[Tufted Titmouse]

If he can't play on the right, half the trade market evaporates, including the most desperate.

 

[Dr Amazing]

Will cost the Oilers a 1st round pick and then add.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Will cost the Oilers a 1st round pick and then add.

Pass.

 

[26Mats]

If he can't play on the right, half the trade market evaporates, including the most desperate.

He's played the right in the past.

Oiler fan here. I like Edmundson a fair bit going back to his Dub junior days. High character, physical and aggressive d-man who can play 18-20 minutes fits very well to the Oilers primary need. He's got solid deep playoff experience which is a nice intangible.

The issue is health. He's missed much of last year and recurrence of a major injury is a real concern. This is a player who will have to show the injury issue is behind him to establish the trade market and value. There's likely salary retention required with a deal to any contender and the salary next year is both a positive in having a second pair defender for two prospective playoff runs but a potential issue if the injury issues continue to be a problem.

He's a player I think the Oilers could (and should) have interest in, imo. The trade value comes into focus once Edmundson proves himself healthy with a sustained regular season back in the line-up and not on the trainer's table.

This.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He's played the right in the past.



This.

I recall way back to the old Ales Hemsky trade discussions when we were at the start of the decade of darkness, where we felt Hemsky would bring us a huge return because of his skill and production, but it never happened because of his health, or lack thereof. I see fans consistently acting as our fanbase did then with their oft injured players - wanting the return they would bring if they didn't have injuries. But that's never the case. Injuries are a big factor in determining value of players.

 

[26Mats]

I recall way back to the old Ales Hemsky trade discussions when we were at the start of the decade of darkness, where we felt Hemsky would bring us a huge return because of his skill and production, but it never happened because of his health, or lack thereof. I see fans consistently acting as our fanbase did then with their oft injured players - wanting the return they would bring if they didn't have injuries. But that's never the case. Injuries are a big factor in determining value of players.

True but so far Hemsky and Eddy are very different cases. Eddy has missed the start of the season the past two seasons. But finished last season strong, and we'll see abou this year. And the year before these two years where he's been injured to start, he was great during the regular season and played a huge role in helping us get to the stanley cup finals.

It will take more injuries and an injury that actually keeps him from finishing the season strong to be in Hemsky territory. Monahan is currrently in Hemsky territory and trying to put together a track record to get out of it.

 

[ManofSteel55]

True but so far Hemsky and Eddy are very different cases. Eddy has missed the start of the season the past two seasons. But finished last season strong, and we'll see abou this year. And the year before these two years where he's been injured to start, he was great during the regular season and played a huge role in helping us get to the stanley cup finals.

It will take more injuries and an injury that actually keeps him from finishing the season strong to be in Hemsky territory. Monahan is currrently in Hemsky territory and trying to put together a track record to get out of it.

We used to make the same excuses for Hemsky too. "But he's not injury prone, he's just unlucky", "He isn't breakable exactly, he just got hit really hard", "he produces at an 80 point pace, and he's never had the same injury twice so let's not act like he's injury prone".

 

[BrokenFace]

He should go for a 2nd and a 3rd. The 2nd becomes a first if the team that traded for him wins the cup.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He should go for a 2nd and a 3rd. The 2nd becomes a first if the team that traded for him wins the cup.

I think that's a fair price. 3rd in 2023, 2nd in 2024 that becomes a 1st if the team trading for him wins the cup (or makes the finals - possibly with some conditions regarding health/games played) in either 2023 or 2024. Gives the potential for a 1st, and more than a 2nd regardless of what happens.

 

[26Mats]

We used to make the same excuses for Hemsky too. "But he's not injury prone, he's just unlucky", "He isn't breakable exactly, he just got hit really hard", "he produces at an 80 point pace, and he's never had the same injury twice so let's not act like he's injury prone".

I don't know enough about Hemsky, but Eddy has finished the season strong in both years he's been here. We'll see about this year.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

MTL will get a 1st round pick for Eddy.
If the Habs retain salary 1st ++.
MTL isn’t looking to help others teams get better? If you or teams say pass….go away….?
The market for D with Joel Edmundson’s skill set is extremely solid. There are 14 teams, RIGHT NOW, desperately looking for help on the back end. That market will only increase come trade deadline.
Cheers.

 

[ManofSteel55]

MTL will get a 1st round pick for Eddy.
If the Habs retain salary 1st ++.
MTL isn’t looking to help others teams get better? If you or teams say pass….go away….?
The market for D with Joel Edmundson’s skill set is extremely solid. There are 14 teams, RIGHT NOW, desperately looking for help on the back end. That market will only increase come trade deadline.
Cheers.

Come the trade deadline, most years there are maybe 20 teams left in contention for the playoffs by the deadline. Are you suggesting that over 14 of those teams will have 2nd pair left defenseman as a primary target worth moving a 1st round pick for? Because it doesn't matter if every team in the league wants him if the highest price a GM is willing to give is a mid round pick.

 

[viceroy]

all of them but guhle.

I'd take Guhle, Xhekaj or Harris over Sandin and Liljegren.

Those are from this season where he's been getting the highest offensive zone push on the team and playing against third pairing competition haha.

Who?

Habs: Edy (1.5mil retained) + Norlinder + Ylonen
for
Oilers : Broberg

No way we retain for 2 years. Also we don't need any more LHD.

Pass.

Coolsies. Keep on being an also-ran.

He should go for a 2nd and a 3rd. The 2nd becomes a first if the team that traded for him wins the cup.

Haha. We get a 1st plus sweatless by the TDL. Lemme guess you thought we'd get garbage last year for our players at last year's deadline?

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Come the trade deadline, most years there are maybe 20 teams left in contention for the playoffs by the deadline. Are you suggesting that over 14 of those teams will have 2nd pair left defenseman as a primary target worth moving a 1st round pick for? Because it doesn't matter if every team in the league wants him if the highest price a GM is willing to give is a mid round pick.

Every GM in the league that believes his team can go on a deep run will be searching for a D of Eddy’s pedigree all day every day at the deadline. You seem to that think Joel has less value as “just” a 2nd pairing D.
Kulak was moved for a 2nd + a prospect + another puck next year???? Kulak is a 3rd pairing D with a lot less intangibles than Eddy.

 

[26Mats]

Come the trade deadline, most years there are maybe 20 teams left in contention for the playoffs by the deadline. Are you suggesting that over 14 of those teams will have 2nd pair left defenseman as a primary target worth moving a 1st round pick for? Because it doesn't matter if every team in the league wants him if the highest price a GM is willing to give is a mid round pick.

Every GM in the league that believes his team can go on a deep run will be searching for a D of Eddy’s pedigree all day every day at the deadline. You seem to that think Joel has less value as “just” a 2nd pairing D.
Kulak was moved for a 2nd + a prospect + another puck next year???? Kulak is a 3rd pairing D with a lot less intangibles than Eddy.

The market is different every year. We'll just have to see what happens this year...

As a Habs fan, I hope it gets crazy, and we're far out of the playoffs so our veterans are for sale and moving them brings us closer to a top 3 pick.

 

[ole ole]

Come the trade deadline, most years there are maybe 20 teams left in contention for the playoffs by the deadline. Are you suggesting that over 14 of those teams will have 2nd pair left defenseman as a primary target worth moving a 1st round pick for? Because it doesn't matter if every team in the league wants him if the highest price a GM is willing to give is a mid round pick.

We hear the same thing every yr and 1st rd picks are given away for rentals. 14, All it takes is 3 teams who really want his services. They will drive the price up themselves.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Every GM in the league that believes his team can go on a deep run will be searching for a D of Eddy’s pedigree all day every day at the deadline. You seem to that think Joel has less value as “just” a 2nd pairing D.
Kulak was moved for a 2nd + a prospect + another puck next year???? Kulak is a 3rd pairing D with a lot less intangibles than Eddy.

Yes, and everyone thought Kulak was a bad trade. You know who didn't get a 1st? Any single #4 defenseman.

For Edmundson to get a 1st, a lot of things will have to happen. It isn't impossible, but I don't think its likely given that most years, only a couple of 1sts are traded.

1) There are few other defensemen available at the deadline. This looks unlikely given how many teams are already falling out of contention and have good defensemen who are likely going to be available.
2) There will need to be significant retention.
3) He has to be healthy.
4) Teams looking to trade their 1st will need to be wanting a defenseman and not a forward.

 

[ManofSteel55]

We hear the same thing every yr and 1st rd picks are given away for rentals. 14, All it takes is 3 teams who really want his services. They will drive the price up themselves.

Usually only a handful of 1st round picks are traded each year. 4 last year if I remember correctly. So you're saying that of the 3- 5 teams who are interested in moving a 1st, 3 of those would likely need to be eyeing up a 2nd pair LD, when there are top pair defensemen and top six scorers who will also be available.

What happens more frequently, is that important depth role players like Edmundson are traded for packages that include a 2nd and some other parts, that when combined might be worth a 1st. I could see that happening if teams get desperate - adding on later picks and prospects with the 2nd to pump its value, before I could see any GM out there offering that 1st. Like you said though, bad deals are made every deadline, so its not impossible to think that a GM might make that deal. Just unlikely.

 

[BrokenFace]

I'd take Guhle, Xhekaj or Harris over Sandin and Liljegren.



Who?



No way we retain for 2 years. Also we don't need any more LHD.



Coolsies. Keep on being an also-ran.



Haha. We get a 1st plus sweatless by the TDL. Lemme guess you thought we'd get garbage last year for our players at last year's deadline?

I didn't think about your team at all last TDL. I just popped into this thread because Joel is a dman I like. Markets change year to year, fyi

 

[dirtydanglez]

I'd take Guhle, Xhekaj or Harris over Sandin and Liljegren.

guhle sure but the rest would be a massive mistake.

 

[HuGort]

Chiarot got a unprotected 1st in a 23 and not 22, unusually team that trade pick in the next draft because they know they will finish close to 30th or if they trade for a future draft they include protection, so this was very big value and is not the same has a team trading 1st for a rental. Edmundson is younger, cheaper and more reliable than Chiarot, but his value probably would have been 22 1st + prospect vs. Chiarot was 23 1st unprotected + prospect. Considering that Edmundson cheap and is not a rental and MTL has the ability to retain, the price will be set closer to 2x1st. The price for D is pretty well established maybe you don’t like it but I garantie that team have to over pay for these player, not only to improve their team but also to make sure they don’t have to play against them in the playoff.

I highly doubt it. The impression I get from Oilers fanbase is Good team but won't give up future for that piece get them a Cup or two. Instead Oilers are gone first or second round of playoffs. Lightning are opposite. They traded a lot of future for Coleman, Goodrow or Savard. But it won them multiple cups. Those kind of GMs usually when Tampa's core ages, will trade pieces left to acquire multiple first picks back to hurry rebuild

 

[Danarqhy]

So you win Cup with him, Price, Chariot and Anderson. May I ask how many cups the Habs won with them? I am not trying to be a dick but Montreal fans have been saying this about players on the trade block for the last 2 years. With so many players that you win a cup with you think you would've won at lease 1. You know chemistry matters and most trades don't work. Chariot did do shit after he was traded.

Well Montreal made the SC finals with him, and he also won the SC with the Blues, so not sure why you're so offended by a statement that is 100% truth backed up with facts?

 

[MardyBum]

So so many elite players. Just bad luck they're not the best team in the league.

 

[HuGo Sham]

guhle sure but the rest would be a massive mistake.

massive mistake for who? all I read about is leafs fans crying abut how Xekaj was in their backyard and they never signed him.
Habs aren't trading him and certainly not to the leafs lol

 

[kyne]

So so many elite players. Just bad luck they're not the best team in the league.

Not even close. The only elite player may be Suzuki. It doesn't mean they don't have a few good players that have value to a pretender or a contender. Edmundson is a solid player that can help make a team better and he has a reasonable contract.

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