26Mats
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Not sure playing once every 4 games is enough for Primeau at this stage in his career.
Waived: Joel Armia and Gustav Lindström waived (cleared)
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The idea is that they don't want to use LTIR today, so no for Dvorak too I think.
Many NHL backups play 21 or so games, especially when they are just starting out and are not 1Bs.
Anyway, it is for a few weeks to see if he can supplant Allen and then maybe move up to 35%-40% once it is just him and Monty.
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Sure, that is one way to do it. Since Allen won't be claimed on waivers, there is no risk in sending him down while seeing if Primeau can handle being the back up.
You never said exactly where you got that idea.
I don't see another way how they can get cap compliant.
We'll see soon enough, i guess.
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One or two more bodies to leave for cap compliance correct??
Price will then tomorrow be put on LTIR?
Price will then tomorrow be put on LTIR?
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We have 30 players on the roster right now. (it incluses Price). We have a minus cap hit of -$7,874,583.
Lindstrom and Armia sent down this PM, we are at 28 players with cap hit of -$5,774,583.
Before 17:00 today, we need to be cap compliant with a roster of less than 23. To use LTIR, we need to be the closer possible to the cap and put Price on LTIR tomorrow. I sent down RHP, Heineman, Harris, Xhekaj, Slafkovsky, Norlinder.
I have a roster of 12F (Caufield, Suzuki, Gallagher, Pearson, Dvorak, Ylonen, Pezzetta, Dach, Anderson, Evans, Newhook, Monahan), 6D (Guhle, Matheson, Barron, Kovacevic, Savard, Wideman), 4G (Allen, Montembeault, Price, Primeau).
Our cap space is $10,417.
So this is my roster for Day 1. The next day, I put Price on LTIR. I have cap space of $10,510,417.
Dvorak and Wideman go on IR. I recall, RHP, Harris, Xhekaj, Slafkovsky and I sent down Barron or re-call Norlinder.
New cap hit $6,547,917 with a 23 men roster.
Lindstrom and Armia sent down this PM, we are at 28 players with cap hit of -$5,774,583.
Before 17:00 today, we need to be cap compliant with a roster of less than 23. To use LTIR, we need to be the closer possible to the cap and put Price on LTIR tomorrow. I sent down RHP, Heineman, Harris, Xhekaj, Slafkovsky, Norlinder.
I have a roster of 12F (Caufield, Suzuki, Gallagher, Pearson, Dvorak, Ylonen, Pezzetta, Dach, Anderson, Evans, Newhook, Monahan), 6D (Guhle, Matheson, Barron, Kovacevic, Savard, Wideman), 4G (Allen, Montembeault, Price, Primeau).
Our cap space is $10,417.
So this is my roster for Day 1. The next day, I put Price on LTIR. I have cap space of $10,510,417.
Dvorak and Wideman go on IR. I recall, RHP, Harris, Xhekaj, Slafkovsky and I sent down Barron or re-call Norlinder.
New cap hit $6,547,917 with a 23 men roster.
If you send down Slaf, his 3.5M performance bonus is gonna count against the cap when you call him back up.
I don't think they wanna do that.
Like i said before, they will probably have to put Dvorak on LTIR.
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Send down Barron or Guhle as a paper transaction instead of Slaf to avoid the latter's performance bonus potential from taking up cap space when he's recalled.
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The amount of skill Armia has is monumental and the amount of laziness and seemingly lack of love for the game is unprecedented. I was so happy we got him and he looked okay at first but wow. I’m not mad I’m just disappointed
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What bothered me last year was when Allen was injured and Monty played all 12ish games in a row with Primeau riding the pine. It’s not like there was a playoff run. Play the kid
No!!! Stop.
They are not using LTIR today, and certainly not on a player who is coming back soon.
Here is one of many solutions:
Start with 28 players.
Demote RHP, Guhle and Harris on paper.
Actually demote Heineman, Norlinder and Barron so they can play.
Down to 22 including Price. We are under the cap.
Tomorrow, put Dvo and Wideman on IR and Price on LTIR.
Now 19 healthy players.
Recall RHP, Guhle, Harris and one other D to be #7
23 player active roster, 1 spare of each position F-D-G
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That's the law of the market. Like any worker in a shop, if he doesn't fit the salary/production ratio, he's fired one day. Unions can make him stay at his job for a year or even 3 but one day he's gonna be ejected for someone cheaper and more productive.
But more important, he didn't take seriously to wear the CH logo on his chest and fans doesn't like it.
But more important, he didn't take seriously to wear the CH logo on his chest and fans doesn't like it.
3 exclamation points?!!!
You must really be confident in your theory
Sure, your way works too but you lose nearly 700K in cap space with the bonuses.
Maybe they figure they won't use it, but i doubt it.
We'll see...
Yes, they "lose" $695k in bonuses, but it's not really lost (just counted this year instead of next year - a good thing). In other words, they still have $5.787M (add $762.5k if Wideman put there too) of cap space to take on cap in exchange for assets, AND they can accrue cap space since they are not using the OFF-SEASON version of LTIR.3 exclamation points?!!!
You must really be confident in your theory
Sure, your way works too but you lose nearly 700K in cap space with the bonuses.
Maybe they figure they won't use it, but i doubt it.
We'll see...
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Would you give up Flames first for a team to claim Armia?
I'm pretty sure they can't accrue cap space even with in-season LTIR.
That's the thing, it doesn't matter if you use off-season or in-season LTIR.
The idea is to not waste cap relief.
If you put Price on off-season LTIR, you're wasting 6M+ in cap relief, as opposed to in-season LTIR.
That's probably the reason some think it's bad to use off-season LTIR.
But with a 23 player roster, you can get over the cap close to the 4.45M Dvorak is making. That's why it's ok to put him on off-season LTIR.
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I'm not sure but that counts against the cap even if he doesn't get his bonuses at the end of the season.
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All the hate on Armia is a bit much…
Armia is a bottom 6 and PK player he isn’t taken any quality ice time away from developing player, he reliable and 2-4 games a season he can be the best player on the ice… the fact that he able to flash so much skills and be so bland is is frustrating but when he isn’t on at least he isn’t hurting the team on top of having size and very good controlling the puck…
Armia is a bottom 6 and PK player he isn’t taken any quality ice time away from developing player, he reliable and 2-4 games a season he can be the best player on the ice… the fact that he able to flash so much skills and be so bland is is frustrating but when he isn’t on at least he isn’t hurting the team on top of having size and very good controlling the puck…
The problem is that he is vastly over paid and that brings out every little wart from his production to his lack of competitive efforts.
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It's not rare at all to see young players develop on the 3rd line before moving to the top 6 after a year. It's very common. So yeah Armia is stealing time from a kid unless he plays on a 4th line. But i don't think having a guy like Armia on a 4th line is good for a team. He wont be happy to play there it would be better to not have him around at all and give some games to Ylonen and RHP who are both 24. With the inevitable injuries they will eventually get some time in the top 9 anyway. There really is no reason to keep Armia around.
