Don't you think Cassidy's hand was forced with 4 of our dmen out with injuries? Isn't that your case with Julien in regards to Spooner seeing time early in his career? We were literally calling in our 10th guy on the depth chart to come and play.
Player Discussion Joe Morrow II
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Don't you think Cassidy's hand was forced with 4 of our dmen out with injuries? Isn't that your case with Julien in regards to Spooner seeing time early in his career? We were literally calling in our 10th guy on the depth chart to come and play.
That's a bit disingenuous, no?
He was a first round pick and top rated prospect in Penguins organization and was moved at the deadline for Brenden Morrow, when they were trying to make a cup run. He was then flipped to Boston as part of the Seguin deal, again because he was considered a highly regarded prospect in the Stars organization. Before suiting up for the Bruins, he had never played a game at the NHL level.
He's been deemed an expendable asset by two teams and not good enough for a third. He'll be 25 before the year is out. Not to say that players don't or can't find their grove once they hit 25, but time is running out for Morrow to find his place in the NHL other then being a spare part.
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I also wonder if Morrow and his agent asked to be non-tendered so he could look for an opportunity elsewhere. I would imagine that he was not pleased with sitting for so much time last year and perhaps looking at the prospects in the pipeline he saw the writing on the wall and wanted to move to a new organization...
Having said that, he said all the right things in the press and never gave all the right answers when he suited up for the playoffs...seems like it could have been a mutual parting of ways with neither side too upset with the break up.
Having said that, he said all the right things in the press and never gave all the right answers when he suited up for the playoffs...seems like it could have been a mutual parting of ways with neither side too upset with the break up.
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Deemed expendable? He was moved for a veteran player to a team that was making a playoff run, and then as part of a deal that netted the Stars Tyler Seguin. The way you make it sound, he was waived or something.
And take this for whatever it's worth. I'm not worked up over the move. If the team thinks they're better without him than with him, so be it. I do think the bigger issue I brought up is concerning though. Either their player evaluations are way off, or the way they develop young guys is. Neither scenario is what I'd call ideal.
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To a degree, sure. But let's not forget what happened when the Claude run Bruins had a similar issue and what Claude did. Wade Redden over Krug and Hamilton, anyone? If Claude were here this year, he'd have brought up any veteran AHLer over McAvoy.
Deemed expendable? He was moved for a veteran player to a team that was making a playoff run, and then as part of a deal that netted the Stars Tyler Seguin. The way you make it sound, he was waived or something.
And take this for whatever it's worth. I'm not worked up over the move. If the team thinks they're better without him than with him, so be it. I do think the bigger issue I brought up is concerning though. Either their player evaluations are way off, or the way they develop young guys is. Neither scenario is what I'd call ideal.
He was an expendable asset ( which is far different then a guy getting waived...wtf? ), a guy that had value because of his talent and draft pedigree and two teams cashed in on that.
There's more than just two options when it comes to figuring out what happened with a failed prospect ( both you've displayed are overly negative, surprise surprise ), a third being the simple fact that Morrow just didn't progress like teams thought he would. There's a lot to like, but what ultimately holds Morrow back is his head and there's no way to properly predict how any prospect's hockey IQ grows. Some get better with ice time and age, others don't. This isn't an assembly line where things are manufactured, we're talking about people here.
To a degree, sure. But let's not forget what happened when the Claude run Bruins had a similar issue and what Claude did. Wade Redden over Krug and Hamilton, anyone? If Claude were here this year, he'd have brought up any veteran AHLer over McAvoy.
To a degree? LMAO...what was he going to do, play 2 guys?
It was obviously forced.
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By definition, an expendable asset is anyone not currently contributing to the NHL team. Literally all prospects are "expendable". So to say that Morrow was an expendable asset is more than a tad disingenuous. The reason he was moved twice in 3 months is because he was a desired asset by the acquiring team. They felt he'd become more than he has, and that promise is what made them include him in those transactions. The way you and the other poster laid it out, it sounds like he was a throw in and nothing of any consequence.
The net net is that you're looking at the end result and working in reverse, to justify your opinion of Morrow, which is really a very sad, misguided way to justify your opinion. The reason he was included in the trades was because of the upside he had then, not because he was a failure 4 years later. At that point he wasn't. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night, brah.
To a degree, sure. But let's not forget what happened when the Claude run Bruins had a similar issue and what Claude did. Wade Redden over Krug and Hamilton, anyone? If Claude were here this year, he'd have brought up any veteran AHLer over McAvoy.
I know the guy you are in here arguing about would've been dressed earlier than he was if Julien was here . Cassidy and Sweeney did just about anything they could to keep Morrow in a suit . Once he got in he proved himself better than he ever had which is why I am not personally thrilled about losing him now.
There's nothing wrong with calling Morrow an expendable asset. And no, that does not define what an expendable asset is at all
But you can argue with yourself about what an expendable asset means because at this point, you're just trying to turn this into semantics and I'm not really interested in what your weird version of expendable means. And your " end result " comment is about as whacky as they come. WTF? You're reaching rather deep and at this point, arguing just for the sake of it. No surprise there. My opinion hasn't changed on Morrow. Talent there, but the head didn't follow and he didn't do much in his time here to show he wasn't anything other than that.
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There's nothing wrong with calling Morrow an expendable asset. And no, that does not define what an expendable asset is at all
And your " end result " comment is about as whacky as they come. WTF? You're reaching rather deep and at this point, arguing just for the sake of it. No surprise there. My opinion hasn't changed on Morrow. Talent there, but the head didn't follow and he didn't do much in his time here to show he wasn't anything other than that.
No semantics here. You went out of your way to deride the guy for being moved twice before he got to Boston, as if it meant he was a stiff. I simply pointed out the reality of why he was moved. You disagree he had value, which again falls to my overall greater point. If you honestly think the Bruins didn't see the value of a young dman with offensive upside, then why did they trade for him? Isn't that a concern? Surely the team is not in the business of obtaining players via trade that they think suck, no?
This place and the revisionist history that happens makes me laugh. When Morrow was obtained, there were people saying he was going to be a steal. Same thing with Colin Miller. People were stroking the front office and Sweeney for getting a smooth skating, puck moving dman, with the hardest shot in the AHL skills competition. Now that both are gone for literally jack ****, we get revised stories about how both sucked and both couldn't make the most of their more than abundant opportunities.
Do me a favor and save it. It's complete *********.
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I thought he looked more than good in the playoffs, especially when you consider he hadn't played in a game in months.
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I'd love to have Liles back...if he's cool with being the #7 and playing very rarely. Liles is a nice, luxury, #7. He's still got decent wheels and has a clue defensively. Pretty much what you want out of an emergency guy.
While I think Liles should happy with something like this, I bet he tries for a regular spot somewhere. #7 is a good roll for him...
Probably for the best, it would probably take more than I want to pay...I want a League min vet...
While I think Liles should happy with something like this, I bet he tries for a regular spot somewhere. #7 is a good roll for him...
Probably for the best, it would probably take more than I want to pay...I want a League min vet...
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Bruinfanatic
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Never gave the kid a chance really,Play a game or two look pretty good,than have a bad game and banished to the press box .
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You know where I'm coming from. There's no doubt that would be a weak bottom four, but that's not the point.
Alberta_OReilly_Fan
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i thought that was the point? finding guys you can win with? thats exactly the point
we let andrew alberts and milan jurcina go too... kept johnny boychuk and torey krug. its disingenuous to say kids never get a chance here. every year i see some kid getting a chance and some like don sweeney take the puck and go with it... but others must be cut loose when they fail
i ask though, the number of cast off kid dmen that went out to become special include.... who???
mark stuart?
is he the best one?
i mean hamilton wasnt cast off... we were offering him 5 mill to stay
glen wesley was established but wanted more money
do we have to go back to 1980 and brad mccrimmon to find the last kid dman we discarded without a fair chance only to regret it? was he discarded? or simply traded?
hunwick really? is that the best argument we have for giving morrow a better chance to succeed? im going to say matt lashoff and lars jonsson... sometimes highly priced picks dont work out and no one sheds a tear for them after they are let go
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****ed up their development because they didn't fit the prototypical stay at home, defensive minded defensemen that Claude needed to make his rigid and outdated system work?
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No semantics here. You went out of your way to deride the guy for being moved twice before he got to Boston, as if it meant he was a stiff. I simply pointed out the reality of why he was moved. You disagree he had value, which again falls to my overall greater point. If you honestly think the Bruins didn't see the value of a young dman with offensive upside, then why did they trade for him? Isn't that a concern? Surely the team is not in the business of obtaining players via trade that they think suck, no?
This place and the revisionist history that happens makes me laugh. When Morrow was obtained, there were people saying he was going to be a steal. Same thing with Colin Miller. People were stroking the front office and Sweeney for getting a smooth skating, puck moving dman, with the hardest shot in the AHL skills competition. Now that both are gone for literally jack ****, we get revised stories about how both sucked and both couldn't make the most of their more than abundant opportunities.
Do me a favor and save it. It's complete *********.
I went out of my way? Lol...I typed it into a message board with what I felt was an accurate description. I guess you're going out of your way to defend him then?
When did I say Morrow didn't have value? I already said the kid had talent but nearing his 25th birthday, his chances of reaching his potential are in danger if he can't fix his issues. Same with CMiller, albeit he was a better talent on the ice. You're trying to twist this into some odd diatribe and who the **** knows why. You're a weird guy.
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I went out of my way? Lol...I typed it into a message board with what I felt was an accurate description. I guess you're going out of your way to defend him then?
When did I say Morrow didn't have value? I already said the kid had talent but nearing his 25th birthday, his chances of reaching his potential are in danger if he can't fix his issues. Same with CMiller, albeit he was a better talent on the ice. You're trying to twist this into some odd diatribe and who the **** knows why. You're a weird guy.
Yes, I disagree with your craptactular assessment, so that makes me weird.
How can you fix your issues, when you weren't allowed to learn from your mistakes at the most critical time of your development? Same thing goes for CMiller. The Bruins did a really horrendous job of bringing these guys along. I'm personally thankful that Claude is gone so he can't **** up McAvoy's game too.
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