Player Discussion Joe Morrow II

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Yes, I disagree with your craptactular assessment, so that makes me weird.

How can you fix your issues, when you weren't allowed to learn from your mistakes at the most critical time of your development? Same thing goes for CMiller. The Bruins did a really horrendous job of bringing these guys along. I'm personally thankful that Claude is gone so he can't **** up McAvoy's game too.

claude did ok with hamilton... boychuk... miller/krug/mcquaid are his... what is that 3 legit top 3 guys and a couple quality bottom pair? how many teams did better the last 10 years with only 1 top 10 pick spent?

trust me there isnt a single team that didnt have kids like morrow and bartowski fail... what about reinhart in edmonton... or cowen in ottawa... or i see montreal is parting ways with thrower and beaulieu now... cant blame that on julien though he just got there.

its hockey... kid dmen fail more often than not... but theres only 186 starting jobs out there for dmen and weve developed a decent starting 6 of home grown talent...we are above average

hamilton/krug
mcavoy/carlo
boychuk/miller

sign me up... good job finding kids, breaking them in, having them turn out very nice

 

[PB37]

Yes, I disagree with your craptactular assessment, so that makes me weird.

How can you fix your issues, when you weren't allowed to learn from your mistakes at the most critical time of your development? Same thing goes for CMiller. The Bruins did a really horrendous job of bringing these guys along. I'm personally thankful that Claude is gone so he can't **** up McAvoy's game too.

You're a weird guy because you make arguments that make little sense then constantly backpeddle when shown how stupid they are.

And yeah... he really messed up Krug's development When all else fails, take a shot at Julien! That's your usual go-to.

In a perfect world sans Vegas expansion, the Bruins likely hold on to CMiller. He's got top 4 potential that he flashes every now and then. I don't see how his development was screwed up at all.

 

[LSCII]

You're a weird guy because you make arguments that make little sense then constantly backpeddle when shown how stupid they are.

And yeah... he really messed up Krug's development When all else fails, take a shot at Julien! That's your usual go-to.

In a perfect world sans Vegas expansion, the Bruins likely hold on to CMiller. He's got top 4 potential that he flashes every now and then. I don't see how his development was screwed up at all.

The only thing you've shown me is how badly you've missed the point this entire time. So since you can't seem to grasp it, I'll say it for you again:

If you don't think Morrow was any good even when he was a prospect, yet they traded for him, isn't that a problem?

Love the Krug example. Very valid. Except for when you recall how he got here and forced his way in. Julien didn't develop him. He played him because he had to based on Krug's playoff run. You know, the same one where rather than play Krug, Julien picked a guy over him that hadn't played any meaningful and significant minutes in the league for 3 years? The same guy that literally retired after that playoffs?

You think I'm taking a shot at Julien, and that's why you're rushing to his defense. I'm not doing that at all. I'm simply stating fact, and that's absurd enough to stand all on it's own. No need for shots or embellishment. He was a huge part of the problem and outlived his freshness date here by years.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

I may be the only one but I liked Morrow game and din't find bad like many here.

He had great first passes, could skate his way out of the zone, still has upside to improve his game and is cheap.

I would have signed him on a cheap 2y deal and have him as the #7D that could jump in when K.Miller/McQuaid go on IR.

 

[ON3M4N]

I may be the only one but I liked Morrow game and din't find bad like many here.

He had great first passes, could skate his way out of the zone, still has upside to improve his game and is cheap.

I would have signed him on a cheap 2y deal and have him as the #7D that could jump in when K.Miller/McQuaid go on IR.

I like Morrow, not sure why he fell out of favor with Cassidy and management. I personally felt like he never really got a chance to show he could be a 3rd pairing guy for us. Oh well, best of luck to him and the new club that he signs with.

 

[mikelvl]

I like Morrow, not sure why he fell out of favor with Cassidy and management. I personally felt like he never really got a chance to show he could be a 3rd pairing guy for us. Oh well, best of luck to him and the new club that he signs with.

Same here, I liked what Morrow brought in the playoffs. But I think that DS wanted to make way for Grizz and O'Gara to step in as the next wave this year in case of injury. Morrow was Chia's guy on top of that.

 

[Therick67]

They didn't give Morrow much of a shoot. He played, maybe 70 games in 3 years.

I didn't think he was as bad as some think and not playing usually isn't good for a young defensmens development.

 

[Killer B]

With Morrow gone, the Seguin trade is now almost 100% complete!

Many of those who (way back when) said it was a good trade, still throw out the 'well Dallas hasn't won since they got Seguin', as though that somehow validates the trade as being a good one for Boston.

Dallas still has a point per game All Star player to show for the trade... A cost controlled player that any team in the league would love to have.

Boston? Well we have Jimmy Fricken Hayes...

 

[DNE3]

Neely crew now placed in position of not planning ahead. Krug could go down mid-season and no puck mover on board. Chuck Cassidy will seek solution from amongst slow-footed O'Gara, or small and inexperienced Grzelcyk, or perhaps even Dr. Thomas Cross. Will they resort to panic overpaying for mid-thirties journeyman on retirement contract? Sure they will. Cue up Denis Wideman talk, or perhaps Bartkowski and beyond. And then local fanbase frowns, 'But we had two puck movers in-house and at low cost and where did they go.' Well, they were shown the exit door having reached their mid-twenties.

 

[whatsbruin]

Neely crew now placed in position of not planning ahead. Krug could go down mid-season and no puck mover on board. Chuck Cassidy will seek solution from amongst slow-footed O'Gara, or small and inexperienced Grzelcyk, or perhaps even Dr. Thomas Cross. Will they resort to panic overpaying for mid-thirties journeyman on retirement contract? Sure they will. Cue up Denis Wideman talk, or perhaps Bartkowski and beyond. And then local fanbase frowns, 'But we had two puck movers in-house and at low cost and where did they go.' Well, they were shown the exit door having reached their mid-twenties.

John Michael Liles is still being considered, if you believe what you read.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Neely crew now placed in position of not planning ahead. Krug could go down mid-season and no puck mover on board. Chuck Cassidy will seek solution from amongst slow-footed O'Gara, or small and inexperienced Grzelcyk, or perhaps even Dr. Thomas Cross. Will they resort to panic overpaying for mid-thirties journeyman on retirement contract? Sure they will. Cue up Denis Wideman talk, or perhaps Bartkowski and beyond. And then local fanbase frowns, 'But we had two puck movers in-house and at low cost and where did they go.' Well, they were shown the exit door having reached their mid-twenties.

the prospects will save us!!! whoever they are

 

[Blowfish]

Please not Leaves or Habitants.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Neely crew now placed in position of not planning ahead. Krug could go down mid-season and no puck mover on board. Chuck Cassidy will seek solution from amongst slow-footed O'Gara, or small and inexperienced Grzelcyk, or perhaps even Dr. Thomas Cross. Will they resort to panic overpaying for mid-thirties journeyman on retirement contract? Sure they will. Cue up Denis Wideman talk, or perhaps Bartkowski and beyond. And then local fanbase frowns, 'But we had two puck movers in-house and at low cost and where did they go.' Well, they were shown the exit door having reached their mid-twenties.

If Morrow were a legit PMD, you might have a point.

Also, the B's can still sign Morrow if they want.

 

[LSCII]

If Morrow were a legit PMD, you might have a point.

Also, the B's can still sign Morrow if they want.

See, that's the issue. Do we even know what Morrow is? A guy with all of 65 games of NHL experience broken out over 3 seasons. I find it really amusing that so many people are 100% of what he is or isn't at this point. I'm fine with them deciding they're good with not bringing him back, but I don't get the condescending nonsense to the posters who question it by some of the other posters (and this isn't directed at you, Joe).

 

[chizzler]

I think Morrow can still find a career.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

See, that's the issue. Do we even know what Morrow is? A guy with all of 65 games of NHL experience broken out over 3 seasons. I find it really amusing that so many people are 100% of what he is or isn't at this point. I'm fine with them deciding they're good with not bringing him back, but I don't get the condescending nonsense to the posters who question it by some of the other posters (and this isn't directed at you, Joe).

To be blunt, I never really saw the appeal of Morrow. I could be completely wrong about that, but I alway thought that Chiller was better bet of the two of them to become something. In Morrow's defense (no pun intended lol), he hasn't really gotten an extended run to prove himself. I don't like his decision-making, but he did appear have improved a bit in that area in his limited time this season.

 

[PB37]

The only thing you've shown me is how badly you've missed the point this entire time. So since you can't seem to grasp it, I'll say it for you again:

If you don't think Morrow was any good even when he was a prospect, yet they traded for him, isn't that a problem?

You can't seem to grasp that I already answered this, so, like you, I'll say it again: Morrow had/has talent and value, but he hasn't shown growth in his game. Nearing his 25th birthday, while not old, raises some red flags as to if and when he'll ever reach his potential or hold down a regular NHL roster spot.

Love the Krug example. Very valid. Except for when you recall how he got here and forced his way in. Julien didn't develop him. He played him because he had to based on Krug's playoff run. You know, the same one where rather than play Krug, Julien picked a guy over him that hadn't played any meaningful and significant minutes in the league for 3 years? The same guy that literally retired after that playoffs?

You think I'm taking a shot at Julien, and that's why you're rushing to his defense. I'm not doing that at all. I'm simply stating fact, and that's absurd enough to stand all on it's own. No need for shots or embellishment. He was a huge part of the problem and outlived his freshness date here by years.

You mean the same Redden that scored a goal and an assist in G1 in the Toronto series? He played bottom pairing minutes ( 15 minutes ). I'm not advocating to have seen more of Redden, but the decision to go with him was not that bad for 5 games.

Krug got his shot because of injuries to Seids, Ference, and Redden ( kind of like how McAvoy got his shot ), but if you don't think Julien didn't have a hand in his development with a still 22 year old Krug, then that is just ****ing asinine.

Do you think Cassidy would have gone to McAvoy, regardless of the depleted blueline? I don't. He showed that he was more willing to go with the vets down the stretch. The injuries forced the Bruins hands into putting McAvoy into the lineup and McAvoy ( like Krug before him ) showed the Bruins something more then what they expected.

 

[LSCII]

You can't seem to grasp that I already answered this, so, like you, I'll say it again: Morrow had/has talent and value, but he hasn't shown growth in his game. Nearing his 25th birthday, while not old, raises some red flags as to if and when he'll ever reach his potential or hold down a regular NHL roster spot.



You mean the same Redden that scored a goal and an assist in G1 in the Toronto series? He played bottom pairing minutes ( 15 minutes ). I'm not advocating to have seen more of Redden, but the decision to go with him was not that bad for 5 games.

Krug got his shot because of injuries to Seids, Ference, and Redden ( kind of like how McAvoy got his shot ), but if you don't think Julien didn't have a hand in his development with a still 22 year old Krug, then that is just ****ing asinine.

Do you think Cassidy would have gone to McAvoy, regardless of the depleted blueline? I don't. He showed that he was more willing to go with the vets down the stretch. The injuries forced the Bruins hands into putting McAvoy into the lineup and McAvoy ( like Krug before him ) showed the Bruins something more then what they expected.

He's been deemed an expendable asset by two teams and not good enough for a third. He'll be 25 before the year is out. Not to say that players don't or can't find their grove once they hit 25, but time is running out for Morrow to find his place in the NHL other then being a spare part.

Contradictory opinions much? But sure, it's me...

Again, this is the issue I've had with what you're saying. You say he was deemed expendable, but you ignore the actual truth of it all. He was traded as a prospect BECAUSE he was considered a good prospect with big upside. Not because he was "deemed expendable". You putting that opinion out there shows me how myopic and biased you are over this player. It also shows me how unreasonable you are that you'd actually rewrite the narrative of those first two trades. But hey, it's me that's weird, right? Ugh. Zero value brought in your posts, like usual.

 

[ODAAT]

To be blunt, I never really saw the appeal of Morrow. I could be completely wrong about that, but I alway thought that Chiller was better bet of the two of them to become something. In Morrow's defense (no pun intended lol), he hasn't really gotten an extended run to prove himself. I don't like his decision-making, but he did appear have improved a bit in that area in his limited time this season.

I think Miller is/has a bit of a higher upside but until either one of them gets to the point where they are able to slow the game down and make wise decisions with the puck in their own zone consistently, they`ll just be another 2 D-men who have all the tools, but couldn`t reach their potential

Still young in their careers and we`ve all seen players at the D position blossom later in their career with some time under their belt but at this time, both seem to have anxiety with the puck on their stick and pressure coming at them

 

[LSCII]

BTW, big misrepresentation of Krug when you compared his situation to McAvoy's. Claude reluctantly played TK for 15 heavily sheltered minutes a night when he was forced to, while Cassidy played McAvoy 26 minutes a night in all situations. But sure, those scenarios were nearly identical.

 

[ODAAT]

BTW, big misrepresentation of Krug when you compared his situation to Krug's. Claude reluctantly played TK for 15 heavily sheltered minutes a night when he was forced to, while Cassidy played McAvoy 26 minutes a night in all situations. But sure, those scenarios were nearly identical.

please, like 11 minutes of TOI make a lick of difference

 

[LSCII]

please, like 11 minutes of TOI make a lick of difference

HAHAHA! Exactly! Same exact scenario according some though...

 

[CharaBadSenyshynGawd]

People grasp and grasp when there's nothing there. No two players follow the same development path. Are we really complaining, 5 years later, Krug didn't get enough minutes as an Undrafted rookie?

Hey, remember who was on the ice the final minute of Stanley cup game 6? Torey Krug. Spare the ******** about "CLAUDE HATES THE KIDS!". We're past that point now.

A defense with Chara, Boychuk, Seidenberg and Hamilton wasn't going to open up 26 minutes a night for an undrafted rookie.

 

[LSCII]

To be blunt, I never really saw the appeal of Morrow. I could be completely wrong about that, but I alway thought that Chiller was better bet of the two of them to become something. In Morrow's defense (no pun intended lol), he hasn't really gotten an extended run to prove himself. I don't like his decision-making, but he did appear have improved a bit in that area in his limited time this season.

See, I'm the opposite. I never saw the appeal of Chiller. Overrated skating, never made the right decision when he was carrying the puck. Big shot but never gets it on net. In terms of Morrow, I honestly can't say what he is, because like you mentioned, I don't think he really got an honest shot. He could be good, bad, or something in between.

 

[LSCII]

They didn't give Morrow much of a shoot. He played, maybe 70 games in 3 years.

I didn't think he was as bad as some think and not playing usually isn't good for a young defensmens development.

65 to be specific.