Post-Game Talk: Jets neutered, lose 6-1

[Weezeric]

last 20 games this team is 10-9-1. 0.525 pts% / 18th in the NHL. Did not realize they had been that up and down.

The leafs are 11-7-2 in their last 20. Not a huge difference.

The biggest thing is how poorly they’ve looked over these last few games. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they turn it around in the playoffs but the runway is getting short.

 

[Jet]

In my view, we can get away with playing one of those 3 without an undue drop in performance, and I'd be okay with either a rested Forbort or Benn - though it's all a really low bar competition...

2/3 playing, then we need "above average Helle" +either Lowsy or Ehlers, and with all 3 in we're not beating Edmonton without both Lowsy +Ehlers +Vezina Helle and even then it'll be low odds. Unless the coach implements a whole new strategy.

My current 'dream scenario' with what we have:

Morrissey Demelo
Stanley Pionk
Heinola Benn

Morrissey and Demelo are a known entity. I think that is a well balanced pair and Demelo can help Morrissey play a bit more offensively.
Stanley would do really well with Pionk in my mind because when Forbort was playing well, that pair was our best. I see Stanley as a Forbort type player but obviously with more size, reach and higher skillset overall
I think Benn compliments Heinola as well. He plays either side, is our most veteran defenseman, and plays a very defensive game. He can help Ville with the physical nature of the game in our zone, and get the puck into his hands for zone exits.

PK is Stan Jomo Pionk Benn
PP is Pionk and Heinola with 4 forwards

I really wish that Maurice would just try it. All he needs is to see it will work and then he won't change it.

Then you have Forbort rested and ready, and Poolman in case of injury.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

last 20 games this team is 10-9-1. 0.525 pts% / 18th in the NHL. Did not realize they had been that up and down.

You must have me on ignore.

 

[DRW204]

cool, who cares? im more concerned about the jets/the team i follow than the leafs.

The leafs are 11-7-2 in their last 20. Not a huge difference.

The biggest thing is how poorly they’ve looked over these last few games. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they turn it around in the playoffs but the runway is getting short.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Maurice has to go because after getting sand kicked in our face for 2 straight games this team should have come out flying all night last night, just for pride if not a win . I will say this too , why does Chevy keep signing these old 4th line players and brutal defensemen ? If he does it because Maurice asks for them then he's not doing a good enough job either. If he's signing these guys because he thinks they are good then he's not a good GM . Poolman is barely a 7th defensemen in the NHL and he gets first pairing minutes, that's sad and we expect to be able to stop a player like McJesus , ya ok .

What did you do with Jets31?

All kidding aside this team which was awesome in 18/19 has not ever had the same chemistry since.
I really like Maurice but have felt it should have been let go 2 seasons ago.
If we did not have top notch goaltending something would have given a lot earlier.
This organization seems stuck in some ways with not being able to change or not wanting to change.
I really hope we have news faces next season behind the bench.
A message can get stale and I believe that’s where we are at.

 

[Skidooboy]

As I said. when you have DeMel in your top 4....you have an awful defense and good teams will take advantage. Benn added nothing and was a horrible horrible panic move. for the sake of making a move....yay.

we need at least 1 top 2 d and probably another top 4 D .

Failing to address the problem and trying to drop a bunch of 6-7 D-men into our top 4 as a "fix" has left us exactly where I repeatedly have suggested...on the outside looking in.

 

[Weezeric]

cool, who cares? im more concerned about the jets/the team i follow than the leafs.

My point is that every team in the North division is basically playing at a .500 clip recently. Every team has 5 wins out of their last ten games except the Oilers and Habs who have 6 and 4 respectively. So, it’s still a toss up for who will have playoff success.

 

[Do or Die]

Lately, you could look at this team's play in all zones and sum it up with a single word......

Disorganized.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

I saw a team that looks like it plays hard but plays very stupidly and are always reaching or cheating

How many times last night do we need to let McDavid have premium chances? You have to know he is on the ice and play accordingly but so many times guys are cheating or playing 3 forwards deep or you have a D pinching. The Leafs exploited that and so did the Oilers

Why we are playing the stupid man to man in the D zone is beyond me. It just drains the team physically chasing guys all over the ice that we have nothing when we do go on offense. It also leads to so many wacky chances around our net that both goalies are constantly working while NOT making a save

Maurice MO has always been to play it safe and always leads to him getting him fired. Playing the same old bums on D, playing the same tired systems and relegating youth to the press box.

Yes this is a tired team. But a team that works hard and is trying doesn't get shelled 6 to 1. They better get shit worked out fast or we are getting bounced in 4 games in the playoffs and it won't matter who we play

If I may comment on forwards playing too deep. There was a point in the third period, just before I turned off the game, where all three Jets forwards (Scheifele, Appleton and I can’t remember who the third one was....Connor?) were literally behind the Oilers’ net not even just in the larger area trapezoid but the area right behind the net. I think the Oilers would take defending that scenario all game long and when the Oilers get the puck, it makes for a really easy breakout. I’m starting to think that a lot of the Jets are not rocket scientists.

 

[Gm0ney]

Paul Stastny felt his team’s play had been slipping since before the losing skid began, dating back to an extended stretch of games prior, where things began to get a bit loose.

How does that happen at a time when the teams jockeying for position with them are finding another gear?

“I think it’s because we were getting away with it. When you’re winning games, you forget the bad plays and you usually remember what went in and the outcome of the game,” said Stastny. “Every time you play a team and play them two times a week, you’re kind of so focused on that then you turn a page and kind of forget who you played last time and now it’s a new team. It’s more of us players holding each other accountable. It’s everybody, it’s not just certain guys. I think everybody’s got a little cheat in their game and we’ve got to be more honest with ourselves. Especially this time of year.”

Jets forced to regroup on multiple fronts during late-season meltdown

Maybe Hellebuyck was the problem all along!

Really, though...Hellebuyck's goaltending (and a good power play) have papered over this team's shortcomings since the start of 2018-19. It lets players get away with stuff that they'd be getting crucified for if the Jets weren't winning games. I mean, we drag them over the coals pretty good on here regardless, but it dulls the edge a bit when the Jets get a win .

 

[GumbyCan2]

Helle... Dudes getting zero help.
Morrissey - you need a good pro vet.
Pionk - solid 2 offensive RHD.
Ehlers - he's our best player
PLD - 22 and still developing
Lowry - he's my captain
These are my untouchables. I'd listen on everyone else including scheif but I'd like a 1 RHD and atleast a 1st and top prospect forward. Buffalo.. I'd do Scheif for Eichel tho. I might even add Copp. Unrealistic but it would have to be a big deal.
Wheels? Buy him out? Hope he retires?
Connor? If he gets me that RHD even better... Did he play tonight? Floater but think with new coaching and perhaps leadership Connor would be consistent.

Since u can't tho cuz salary cap... and just not gonna happen... I'd fire Maurice and Huddy for sure. Maybe even if we lose our next game in embarassing fashion.

On your question, "Connor, did he play tonight?"
Yes, he was the one who passed directly to the good Connor for a breakaway goal #3 of his, #6 on the other bad Connor. Other than that? Kind of floating, missing, gliding like his mentor leading passer, now leading Slacker (55).

 

[GumbyCan2]

Stastny gonna be in trouble with the leaders.

Maybe we let Maurice sit in the stands, go to the corttage early or?
Let Huddy go back to Edmonton to...whatever?
Bring Heinola up andSamberg
and Perfetti and CJ Suess
Sit: Benn, Forbort, Poolman, Scheifele
Put Stats in a suit, behind the bench with Lowry and bring Eric Dubois up.
Play: 81-CPerfetti#91?-26
93-13-22
85-9-12
CJS#73?-11-23 Fwds, until Lowry & Ehlers back.
D= 44-14
64-4
DS#54-2
G= #30
Bench= Stats, DLowry, EDubois, and Kompon? maybe

 

[GumbyCan2]

He's good in the room...

The Media room...

Let him join Scott Brown, in the Media room

 

[robertocarlos]

He could use some fly.

 

[voyageur]

My current 'dream scenario' with what we have:

Morrissey Demelo
Stanley Pionk
Heinola Benn

Morrissey and Demelo are a known entity. I think that is a well balanced pair and Demelo can help Morrissey play a bit more offensively.
Stanley would do really well with Pionk in my mind because when Forbort was playing well, that pair was our best. I see Stanley as a Forbort type player but obviously with more size, reach and higher skillset overall
I think Benn compliments Heinola as well. He plays either side, is our most veteran defenseman, and plays a very defensive game. He can help Ville with the physical nature of the game in our zone, and get the puck into his hands for zone exits.

PK is Stan Jomo Pionk Benn
PP is Pionk and Heinola with 4 forwards

I really wish that Maurice would just try it. All he needs is to see it will work and then he won't change it.

Then you have Forbort rested and ready, and Poolman in case of injury.

I think that's going to be a bridge that has to be crossed, getting Heinola on the PP. And how to do it? Demoting Morrissey won't be easy, he's wearing an A. I mean he'll take it better than Buff did, but still I'm not sure how you do it?

Next year maybe Scheif, Wheeler, Connor, Perfetti, Morrissey (put Scheif in the middle, where he can get that back foot shot off of Connor's stick)

Dubois, Ehlers, Perreault/Vesalainen, Heinola, Pionk?

 

[GumbyCan2]

It was sad watching Maurices presser tho. Just really no answers and looks like he's a dead man walking.

He's walking right off to the end of a plank!
If he doesn't really reprimand some of the dog-_hitting slackers and bench 'em for 2 games. Put Connor, Copp and Apples on our top line, Ply1 for 2 games, with Stanley and Heinola as top Dpair.
Reduce Wheeler and Stats' ice time, minutes played and top-pair roles.
Incorporate some "coaching" again, finally, in-game.
Maybe sit Scheifele and Forbort and Poolman, try Wheeler centering Ves and Perfetti, and Stats sharing faceoff/ centering duties with PLD and MP other winger. Then, Thompson and Lewis with Harkins.
Deal with the fallout of Scheifele griping and Helle getting rest, bitching about not playing, next week.

 

[surixon]

I think that's going to be a bridge that has to be crossed, getting Heinola on the PP. And how to do it? Demoting Morrissey won't be easy, he's wearing an A. I mean he'll take it better than Buff did, but still I'm not sure how you do it?

Next year maybe Scheif, Wheeler, Connor, Perfetti, Morrissey (put Scheif in the middle, where he can get that back foot shot off of Connor's stick)

Dubois, Ehlers, Perreault/Vesalainen, Heinola, Pionk?

Heinola still needs some work on some of his pp reads from what I've seen on the Moose but I'd use all three of Morrissey, Pionk and Heinola on the PP.

I'd be using Perfetti heavily on it next year as well as he's the best qb we have.

I would use an umbrella with one unit:


---------------------Pionk--------------------
JoMo-----------------------------------Ehlers

-------------------Dubois-------------------
---------------------------Ves-----------------

You have three shooting options from up top that are shooting through two big players that act as a double layer screen. Those players also have hands and can finish rebounds or tip pucks in close. You can also get Dubois to go to side and play the down low pass into Ves who can shoot.

Other unit you have Heinola up top and perfetti on either side, Scheifele in the slot, Wheeler down low and Conner on the opposite side as Perfetti and you juat let Cole do his thing.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Good on Stastny for telling it like it is in the press conference. This is a team that is incredibly undisciplined in terms of adhering to its systems.

This team doesn't play like a Team, it plays like a bunch of individuals.

The team either comes together and actually plays like a team or we crash and burn the rest of the year and then the org needs to ask itself some hard questions.

Stats is more of a coach, in thought and analysis, and explanation than Maurice has been for a long time!
Should try him behind the bench for a week. Bring up Perfetti to cover his role, show what he has and get him some NHL heavy-games experience!
Let Mo' go to the cottage early!

 

[GumbyCan2]

Scheifele has completely checked out. I wouldn't be shocked if in the offseason we find out he had requested a trade.

This team is broken from the top down.

Maybe some "in the public" heart-felt displeasure with #55's effort and try should come out of the brass, the peeps who pay his salary!
Then, sit him for 2 or 3 games and bring the 19 yr old kid up, to replace his spot - Cole 'Gooo-alll' Perfetti
Tough to do with Ehlers and Lowry on the shelf.
Tough decisions and ego-bruising is warranted to right this anchored ship.

 

[surixon]

Maybe some "in the public" heart-felt displeasure with #55's effort and try should come out of the brass, the peeps who pay his salary!
Then, sit him for 2 or 3 games and bring the 19 yr old kid up, to replace his spot - Cole 'Gooo-alll' Perfetti
Tough to do with Ehlers and Lowry on the shelf.
Tough decisions and ego-bruising is warranted to right this anchored ship.

I'm very bullish on our young talent but the team as it is right now is completely dysfunctional. I don't want either around the team the way its playing right now. As talented as both are neither are going to kick our vets into gear and be able to carry the load.

Once the team is playing better is the time to insert them.

Embarrassing our vets by playing raw rookies over them is likely to not have the desired effect and will likely cost our coach what ever pull he still has with the players.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

This team is such a train wreck, that they've been invited to be a guest on The Jerry Springer show. Though they'll need a time machine

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I don't want Perfetti anywhere near this team right now either. It took him a while to get adjusted to the AHL, but he's killing it right now. There is no sense in bringing him up to a dysfunctional and unstructured team that can teach him bad habits and kill his confidence, especially since he probably wouldn't contribute much in the re-adjustment period. He can stay where he is, let him cook a while longer. Heinola has been ready for the big show for a while, no complaints there. I wouldn't bring Samberg in until the time is right next year either.

 

[Howard Chuck]

People follow the leaders. I have been saying it for a while now your team leaders need to best exhibit the style of game and attention to detail that you want our of your group. When they deviate and cheat it just gives other players a license to do just that. Why should they adhere to the system when the teams best players get to flaunt it.

Yup. Tired of our coach and tired of our 'leadership' Schiefele is becoming a very average center, Wheeler is generally at the bottom of most defensive metrics and Morrisey just isn't the same any more.

Team dynamics isn't rocket science. Yet here we are 3 years down the road and no changes from anyone.

Question Wheeler on it and he just goes on the offensive.... par for the course.

 

[surixon]

Yup. Tired of our coach and tired of our 'leadership' Schiefele is becoming a very average center, Wheeler is generally at the bottom of most defensive metrics and Morrisey just isn't the same any more.

Team dynamics isn't rocket science. Yet here we are 3 years down the road and no changes from anyone.

Question Wheeler on it and he just goes on the offensive.... par for the course.

Yup. Morrissey has at least rebounded and is back playing physical two way hockey but he isn't a cornerstone talent so him playing well without having good defensive support doesn't make near the same impact. Get him a good partner and he looks much better.

We need the 16-18 Scheifele back. That player played hard all over the ice and drove play at an elite level and was an upper echelon player at his position.

 

[Weezeric]

Heinola still needs some work on some of his pp reads from what I've seen on the Moose but I'd use all three of Morrissey, Pionk and Heinola on the PP.

I'd be using Perfetti heavily on it next year as well as he's the best qb we have.

I would use an umbrella with one unit:


---------------------Pionk--------------------
JoMo-----------------------------------Ehlers

-------------------Dubois-------------------
---------------------------Ves-----------------

You have three shooting options from up top that are shooting through two big players that act as a double layer screen. Those players also have hands and can finish rebounds or tip pucks in close. You can also get Dubois to go to side and play the down low pass into Ves who can shoot.

Other unit you have Heinola up top and perfetti on either side, Scheifele in the slot, Wheeler down low and Conner on the opposite side as Perfetti and you juat let Cole do his thing.

Hard to take this analysis seriously when Wheeler is literally 4th in the NHL in primary assists on the powerplay over the last three years. How can you say a 19 year old who has played zero NHL games is clearly better?