Post-Game Talk: Jets neutered, lose 6-1

[GumbyCan2]

Agreed, although I don’t know if it’s laziness per say.

In my view, there’s been too much consistency in the forward group here. I think if you have the same group for too long, you develop bad habits. Apart from switching Laine for PLD, which is fairly recent, how long has it been with essentially the same top 9? 5 years? Thats too long. I would like to see some change this offseason, regardless of what happens in the playoffs. Things are getting a bit stale.

Perfetti on top line, Vesalainen with PLD and Ehlers, Harkins on 3rd line. Heinola with Morrissey, Samberg with Pionk, Stanley with Demelo or?.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

The irony is that the vets are gonna cost Maurice his job. The guys he doesn't need to coach probably cuz they aren't coachable.

As for WHEELER... He tries hard... Sometimes but he's not a top 6 player. Tired of hearing excuses for coaching. Helle is struggling someone said.... Is he? Or is he just exhausted and all by himself out there most nights. 6 1 and in reality could have been worse... Dude had no chance on basically all 6 goals. Tired of Maurice... Tired of Forbort poolman and the sorts... Tired of the complacency... Maurice looks done.

We are basically beating up on the bad teams like Ottawa and Montreal and Calgary but even they all work harder than this group of underperforming soft whiners.

Wheeler tries hard.... So did Chris Thorburn btw.

 

[LowLefty]

If he's being lazy and the coach is telling him he's doing great and saying in the media that he's doing great and is great defensively why would he change anything? He doesn't care for analytics, so what would matter to him more than Maurice's approval? He doesn't know he's doing bad because the person that matters is telling him he's doing good. He's also doing bad because the person who matters refuses to acknowledge what Scheifele's bad at and is utilising him in situations that exposes his weaknesses, rather than plays to his strengths. Sure it's not completely on Maurice but he should shoulder some of the blame for this and allowing his players fall to the level of complacency that they're at.

The coach just benched him - so right now, he isn't being called "great".
I'm trying to stick to the time line of now - if you want to discuss his career and how he has worked with PoMo, we can do that in another conversation.

If Scheif is unable to self evaluate, I'd assume all discussions regarding his performance are a waste of time for all of us - he needs to be accountable and figure it out.
With this coach or another - I really don't care at this point.

 

[LowLefty]

Thus, alot of it is do to coaching, and lack there of where/ when needed, especially on our top players this season!

It may something to do with coaching - I won't argue that point.
Regardless, the issue remains - if our players all of a sudden are more talented and work harder under a new coach, sign me up.

 

[surixon]

The coach just benched him - so right now, he isn't being called "great".
I'm trying to stick to the time line of now - if you want to discuss his career and how he has worked with PoMo, we can do that in another conversation.

If Scheif is unable to self evaluate, I'd assume all discussions regarding his performance are a waste of time for all of us - he needs to be accountable and figure it out.
With this coach or another - I really don't care at this point.

Yeah he was flat out defiant in his pre game press conference yesterday. He needs take it on himself to improve. Granted I feel that Maurice has enabled the bad habits for too long but it doesn't excuse it.

If Mark isn't receptive to coaching then that is a big issue going forward for this team. It won't matter who comes in if his star center feels he can do what he/Oats wants on the ice.

 

[Weezeric]

Perfetti on top line, Vesalainen with PLD and Ehlers, Harkins on 3rd line. Heinola with Morrissey, Samberg with Pionk, Stanley with Demelo or?.

If we’re talking wishlist, I’d like to see a solid defensive right winger. A Mark Stone lite type player.

 

[10Ducky10]

Dude had no chance on basically all 6 goals. Tired of Maurice... Tired of Forbort poolman and the sorts... Tired of the complacency... Maurice looks done.

We are basically beating up on the bad teams like Ottawa and Montreal and Calgary but even they all work harder than this group of underperforming soft whiners.

Wheeler tries hard.... So did Chris Thorburn btw.

Do you seriously believe that?

 

[surixon]

If we’re talking wishlist, I’d like to see a solid defensive right winger. A Mark Stone lite type player.

Unfortunately there is only one Mark Stone. Most wingers don't have anywhere near his defensive impact. I'd settle for average defensively in the top 6.

 

[Atoyot]

Unfortunately there is only one Mark Stone. Most wingers don't have anywhere near his defensive impact. I'd settle for average defensively in the top 6.

Most centers don't have anywhere near his defensive impact either. In fact, none really do. He should be a multi Selke winner but they don't give those to wingers. I've always thought he would be a successful centerman if they decided to convert him, but I guess it's kind of a "if it ain't broke" situation.

 

[Atoyot]

If we’re talking wishlist, I’d like to see a solid defensive right winger. A Mark Stone lite type player.

We had a Mark Stone lite, we used him to get rid of Steve Mason's contract for no reason.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think that will depend on how much of a leash he thinks he has. I trust Vincent to have a better read on his players strengths and weaknesses then Moe and construct a game plan accordingly. Whether he is able to get buy in with Millioniar athletes and be able to adapt to NHL competition and coaching is another.

Vincent has a very impressive junior coaching record and has done really well with his development mandate for the Moose. I believe he has coach of the year awards in both leagues which tells me he is highly respected. I think people are a bit sour on him because of his stint as one of our assistants back when we didn't have a alot of talent to work with. From what I have seen he can run a darn good pp in the AHL when he has the pieces to work with.

I think people are also sour on him because of his lack of winning in the AHL. I don't think winning has much priority there.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

We had a Mark Stone lite, we used him to get rid of Steve Mason's contract for no reason.

lol Referring to Amria has “Mark stone lite” clearly shows how some people overrate him.

don’t get me wrong I wish Armia was still a jet but he isn’t even comparable to Mark Stone.

 

[Atoyot]

lol Referring to Amria has “Mark stone lite” clearly shows how some people overrate him.

don’t get me wrong I wish Armia was still a jet but he isn’t even comparable to Mark Stone.

He's about the closest thing stylistically. But yeah, it's a heavy "lite".

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Do you seriously believe that?

How many 2 on 1 oddd man rushes? Ok maybe he should have had 1. 5 1 is so much better tho.

Just excuse after excuse after excuse for these overpaid floating forwards and coach who has no clue anymore.

 

[DiggerD]

It was top line vs. top line, and the big dog got over 20 minutes of ice. I guess Maurice must have forgot to tell his line to “man up” and “back check”.

 

[surixon]

I think people are also sour on him because of his lack of winning in the AHL. I don't think winning has much priority there.

It hasn't been which is why I have a hard time grading his capabilities. He was a very successful junior coach over a long period of time and knows most of the players on the roster.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It hasn't been which is why I have a hard time grading his capabilities. He was a very successful junior coach over a long period of time and knows most of the players on the roster.

I don't put much stock in it either. It would be nice if he had a Calder Cup or two on the shelf. Warm fuzzy feeling of security - that is entirely false.

 

[snowkiddin]

Yup. Tired of our coach and tired of our 'leadership' Schiefele is becoming a very average center, Wheeler is generally at the bottom of most defensive metrics and Morrisey just isn't the same any more.

Team dynamics isn't rocket science. Yet here we are 3 years down the road and no changes from anyone.

Question Wheeler on it and he just goes on the offensive.... par for the course.

There’s very little accountability on this team. Maurice plays favourites, and if you’re one of his buddies, you don’t have to be held accountable. It’s ridiculous.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Did the Jets skate today?
Any hint on lines for tomorrow?

 

[None]

Did the Jets skate today?
Any hint on lines for tomorrow?

They did and the lines were identical to last night's lineup.

Edit:

 

[blues10]

I would have liked to have seen Dubois with Copp and Apples and hard matched against McDavid. 55 with Connor and Vesalainen . Stastny with Wheels and Perreault.

 

[PhilJets]

Yeah he was flat out defiant in his pre game press conference yesterday. He needs take it on himself to improve. Granted I feel that Maurice has enabled the bad habits for too long but it doesn't excuse it.

If Mark isn't receptive to coaching then that is a big issue going forward for this team. It won't matter who comes in if his star center feels he can do what he/Oats wants on the ice.

Wasn't Mark one of the most coachable players before. He went to do the right stuff for the team his first 4 years. And sign a long term deal back then.

Something happened along the way , after 2018 conference final run.

 

[PhilJets]

There’s very little accountability on this team. Maurice plays favourites, and if you’re one of his buddies, you don’t have to be held accountable. It’s ridiculous.

I think we people then to have favorites but sometimes to at fault that if the favorites do something not necessarily the best for the team. We look the other way.
Maurice been doing that the last few years with supposedly the leaders on the ice and the room. Look the other way...

The best leaders will be able to have his favorites accountable.
Coach is a PR guy, master PR guy but those have expiry dates. Unfortunately its taking awhile with the Jets management.

 

[10Ducky10]

I was just pointing out that you said he had no chance on any of the goals and that is wrong.

 

[BoneDocUK]

They did and the lines were identical to last night's lineup.

Edit:

Thanks. Well, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix —

Erm...