Hellebuyck has an .856 save percentage for these first three games. Accordingly, it’s reasonable to conclude that we must fire Maurice lol.
Bring on “Crazy Eyes” Comrie!
Bring on “Crazy Eyes” Comrie!
Post-Game Talk: Jets lose somehow, 6-5 Wild
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You're not suggesting that what we watched was a well assembled roster, well executed game plan, and functioning special teams let down by a goaltender are you?
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Is Maurice still with the team because Hellebuyck was a Vezina winner and then placed like 4th in voting last year?
A coach lives and dies with their goalie.
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Lot of teams play Strong side overload or zone coverage/Box+1.
Strong side overload is 2 players to the puck, 1 playing off them and 2 defending the slot. The "strong" side is where the puck is. The Strong side overload is designed to stop the low cycle but it also doesn't allow you to transition as fast for odd man rushes. Most of the NHL employs this
Zone coverage/Box+1. The Wild used this last night. A box in the middle with the center in the middle of the box. Depending on where the puck is the formation either tightens up to prevent slot shots or it expands to prevent point shots. You don't chase the play you try to force plays and break it up. You block a lot of shots in this formation but you can get some odd man rushes by blocking those shots.
Man to Man. It just doesn't work in today's game because you can't hold your opponent. In the old days it was strong because you had huge D men who just grabbed forwards. You can't do that nowadays. Its pros is you can get a lot of quick transitions and odd man rushes. It is exciting hockey but it bleeds quality chances against
I expect more than an .856 from our “Vezina” goalie.
Feel free to fault other parts of the team but our record would be different if Hellebuyck started the season on his game.
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I agree that Hellebuyck has been out of form, though I felt he looked better yesterday than the previous 2.
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We are giving up way to many quality chances to win games without Helly playing like a Vezina winner. The whole idea of adding Schmidt and Dillon was we were going to be "better". I haven't seen that yet. If we have to rely on Helly playing out of his mind all the time something is wrong. He will steal us games no doubt but he shouldn't have to steal every game
You’d think Hellebuyck would be used to that from his experience over the past two seasons!
The only way we get a new coach and ultimately become a better team is if Helly doesn’t play well. He was masking the problems which prevents the team from getting any further ahead.
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Just shows how reliant the team is on Hellebuyck to play at a best in the world level every night to paper over all the other issues they have. I think it's fair to blame the coach when the team only wins if the goaltender plays out of his mind.
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agreed. this was actually a very exciting game. this was a game i thought the Jets played better than compared to the 2 cali teams. MIN is a formidable opponent. not sure about their goaltending, but like usual they play good collectively.
Kaprizov was impressive you can see the skill in his stick handling and shiftiness. same with JEE who was the best player on both sides, he could be a selke candidate if his point totals take another step. he's great all-around.
having said that, this game was an over-turned offside call away from being a Jets W and the tone would be a bit different here. obviously there are things the team needs to improve on (pk, pp, and the defensive group i think is still no bueno), but atleast we didn't collect 0 pts against bottom-feeders?
Nash getting more PP TOI than Ehlers , lol.
Agree with all of this - good post
I would also add that Minny knows how to shot block - they almost don't need a goaltender
I forget what the count was but it was way up there.
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Hellebuyck has definitely not been great, but - I forget if it was Minnesota's first or second goal - the goal where everyone is standing around while Helle stopped the first two chances. He just couldn't get the third. How are we going to blame him for that one when this team doesn't have any scheme to deal with high danger shots?
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Ves is probably traumatised and scared of making a mistake. Constantly being demoted and scratched will do that to you. He's changed every aspect of his game to fit the mould that the coach seemingly wants. I wouldn't be surprised if his offensive abilities have been stunted at this point.
Those Toronto and Calgary losses to start that season were ugly, too. The difference was Steve Mason started those two and we just happened to have a Vezina caliber goalie sitting on the bench. Hellebuyck started against Edmonton, put up a .949, and we never looked back. I think it was around mid-November when the team finally gelled and started playing great hockey.
we also had a 30+ goal scorer in the A who was deemed not good enough to be on the opening night roster.
Tend to agree, though he has been effective, and that quick turn-and-shoot last game (or against Ducks?) was a preview of what he can do -- that shot was off his stick in a split-second with enough power to handcuff the goalie. I do think it's a question of his working brief and confidence rather than ability, and as he is trusted more hopefully he starts to provide some of the offence he's capable of. That's a fun line to watch though, and he and Harkins add some nice speed and touch without giving up much on D or in possession.
I do recall PoMo saying last season that they wanted him to shoot more, and hopefully we'll start to see it soon.
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I thought he looked good in the first game but has been abysmal these last two. Need to be a lot better. I don't think playing second line or pp2 is a good excuse either. He is getting 18 min a game so far which is plenty and should be equaling production imo.
DashingDane
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Nash getting pp time was not why the Jets looked bad but does confirm some coaching head scratching. Nikky wasn't going to be net front anyways and Connor makes more sense as a triggerman than where he was with Wheeler playing. Their special teams have looked like this for multiple seasons so not sure why anyone is surprised.
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Yes, I am not happy with Ehlers' game, he needs to get going, and it starts with scoring a goal. Ehlers usually score against the Ducks, so I anticipate he will step up here
Anyone who can look at these 3 games, see it's the exact same garbage as always and STILL defend PoMo..... Should loose their wifi password lol.
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And you would expect to see better numbers from Helle - expectations are not that he play "out of his mind".
He needs to be part of the discussion if we are going to discuss team needs / issues
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He's a great player - and I'd like to see him use his line mates more.
He may have taken the "shoot" mentality a step too far -
It's huge pressure to expect a player to drive the zone (on his own) every night against all teams.
If he starts adding a little more playmaking to his game, Ehlers and the line, will be less predictable and much harder to contain on zone entry.
I'm not concerned - He / they will sort it out.
Similar to Laine in a lot of ways. Maurice wanted to mould a sniper into a defensive,/two-way power forward and it didn't work
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Player usage still ranging from mystifying to abominable.
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