Post-Game Talk: Jets lose somehow, 6-5 Wild

[SensibleGuy]

I don't understand the decisions being made with regard to the roster...either pre-game or in-game. Why is Biealieu on the roster rather than a 12th forward? What is the contribution he makes to winning? Why are Chef, Connor and Wheeler (if he was in last night you know he would have been) on the ice in the last few minutes to lock down a win? Is Pomo thinking that putting better defensive players out will cause the team to go into a defensive "shell" and he wants them to continue to play a "complete game" or something?? It makes no sense.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Ehlers no points to start the year? He was one of my choices before the season started that was gonna hit a new level and have a MASSIVE point total this year.

 

[ps241]

I think.....

Hm.. what I mean to say is....

Obscure Systems, low ice time rewarding excellent players, a great rookie forward cut for impossible logic, nervous players cocooning hard in the 3rd, cuckoldry rampant in HF boards, the shaky stocks, North Korean relevancy, dumping of "purified" nuclear coolant waste water into the Pacific, the brooding risk of civil war in the US coupled with two-party tribalism, Russian submarine incursions into sovereign Canadian Northwest passage waters, the high price of denuded beef at Costco, problems with my HID lights on my old Rubicon, the burgeoning supernova in NGC 7814 (nice edge-on galaxy), growing unrest and elephant-in-the-room among the dark matter theorists (MACHOS vs WIMPs) may somehow be related to...

What is Dark Matter? Even the Best Theories Are Crumbling

You win.

Not only did this make me smile the hang time on my smile was close to a minute.

 

[Jet]

I'm finally on board with firing Maurice. I've been open to it for a while but how a team with a full tc and strong roster can look so wholly unprepared to play a hockey game is beyond me. It's time for a change

 

[tbcwpg]

I feel like if we started Comrie these three games, we would have at least one clean win.

I feel like you haven't seen Eric Comrie in the NHL before.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Jets have lost 16 of their last 23, dating back to last year.

Only 2 of their 7 wins in the last 23 games were by more than one non-empty-net goal. Both were against non-playoff teams.

3 of those 7 wins required OT (the last 3 wins over Edmonton in the playoffs).

Only 4 of their 16 losses in the last 23 games were by only 1 goal. 2 of those 4 losses were in OT: the last game of the Habs series and tonight.

They’ve lost 5 games by 3 or more goals during that span: 3-0 and 6-1 to the Oilers, 4-1 to the Leafs, 5-1 to Montreal in the playoffs and 4-1 in this year’s season opener in Anaheim.

The Jets have a goal differential of -18 in the last 23 games, but that’s propped up by those 2 meaningless blowout wins (4-0 over Calgary and 5-0 over Vancouver) near the end of the regular season last year, after the losing streak that ended their chances of finishing 1st in the division.

In their other 21 games, they’re 5-16, with 3 of those wins in OT over the Oilers in the playoffs. And their goal differential is -27 in those 21 games.

Holy ****

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I feel like you haven't seen Eric Comrie in the NHL before.

I have. I have seen him in 3 NHL games - almost half of his NHL games LOL. Helle seems worse than Comrie right now.

 

[Eyeseeing]

The mental gymnastics by some of his supporters at this point to justify his place behind the bench is Olympic level stuff.

Guys. How many years do you need to witness the same flaming pile of garbage (personnel usage, M2M defense, special teams, etc.) trotted out by this dinosaur coach before you finally say enough is enough?

There were a lot of reasons to feel excited about this roster coming into the season. Hell, the national media was even hyping this group up.

Unfortunately, they forgot about the guy behind the bench who holds the keys and runs a Corvette like a Pinto.

Going nowhere with this guy fast. f***.

Oh don’t worry the usual TNSE bots will be posting soon enough defending this

 

[SensibleGuy]

Just watched the 3rd period after reading 6 pages of the PTG. That offside is totally on Scheifele. No need to make that move at the blue line when nobody was within 15 feet of him. Glad I didn’t watch this live, I would totally have lost my sh*t. So damned frustrating.

It's on both of them. Chef makes an unnecessary move yeah, but Connor is obviously in full-on spectator mode just gliding along the ice as if the game is already over. All he has to do is be aware of the blue line and drag one foot a bit. A clean 2 points was in the bag there. It's embarrassing that they let it slip away like that.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I'm beyond even giving him credit for it being a m2m system. It's not a system at all, it's full on clown cars. Nobody knows what the hell is going on, their positioning and outlet options are non existent. Even Helle doesn't have a clue what's going on, no idea who is doing what. It's brutal to watch.

Yeah — I remember someone did a solid job last season maybe diligently trying to explain just what the hell the brain trust were setting up this system. It was a great, detailed explanation, and I remember reading it out loud and watching the team struggle through yet another “Pitchforks!” D-zone chaos drill and honestly be completely unable to connect the system to whatever the hell was happening out there on the ice.

This team has never looked like they knew what they were doing under this “system,” and while I can’t remember if they had this in place while Buff was here, I doubt he bothered trying to play it.

I had real high hopes for this one, and worked through most of it, and then finally hit the break room and checked in to see the score….

Folks, #IAmOffended.

It is time to #BeakThisCoach

 

[GJF]

I'm finally on board with firing Maurice. I've been open to it for a while but how a team with a full tc and strong roster can look so wholly unprepared to play a hockey game is beyond me. It's time for a change

The last time I was so on board with "fire Maurice" was when we started as bad as we did right now while playing a roster that should with no doubt be a good to very good team in the league. We went on to put up a 114 pt season. Let's wait another 10ish games.


Our first 15 games 17/18:

TOR L
CAL L
EDM W
VAN W
CAR W
CBJ L
MIN W
PIT OTL
CBJ OTL
PIT W
MIN W
DAL W
MTL OTL

and then we went 10-3-1 over the next 14 and never looked back

 

[Neuf]

 

[Jet]

The last time I was so on board with "fire Maurice" was when we started as bad as we did right now while playing a roster that should with no doubt be a good to very good team in the league. We went on to put up a 114 pt season. Let's wait another 10ish games.


Our first 15 games 17/18:

TOR L
CAL L
EDM W
VAN W
CAR W
CBJ L
MIN W
PIT OTL
CBJ OTL
PIT W
MIN W
DAL W
MTL OTL

and then we went 10-3-1 over the next 14 and never looked back

Absolutely. I guess I had such high expectations for this season and to start with 3 losses, blowing leads, and especially the way we lost last night has me pretty upset.

 

[RAFS]

7 straight losses…. When the Thrashers got swept in the playoffs they proceeded to start next year 0-6 which got Bob Hartley canned. People won’t agree with it nor believe it, but we are going to be getting close to seeing the end of Maurice real quick at this rate.

It's actually 4 straight losses (still not good), as we beat Calgary on Oct 6. And yes, if games from LAST season can be used in the streak, so can actual games from THIS season. I now await for a least one counterpoint being about Sheif's suspension............

That said, I do agree that every coaching tenure does eventually come to an end. And we may in fact be close right now.

 

[BoneDocUK]

81 getting the hat trick was more important to Maurice than the win. He knows he can always finesse Chipman with some of his BS. What a joke this organization is. At least fire Hiezinger

Why fire Heisinger? Or, at least, which Heisinger?

I have no problem with Craig H. He’s done what he could with a Moose team required to play with Jets' interests first in mind and Jets "systems" to learn.

 

[DRW204]

Jets have lost 16 of their last 23, dating back to last year.

Only 2 of their 7 wins in the last 23 games were by more than one non-empty-net goal. Both were against non-playoff teams.

3 of those 7 wins required OT (the last 3 wins over Edmonton in the playoffs).

Only 4 of their 16 losses in the last 23 games were by only 1 goal. 2 of those 4 losses were in OT: the last game of the Habs series and tonight.

They’ve lost 5 games by 3 or more goals during that span: 3-0 and 6-1 to the Oilers, 4-1 to the Leafs, 5-1 to Montreal in the playoffs and 4-1 in this year’s season opener in Anaheim.

The Jets have a goal differential of -18 in the last 23 games, but that’s propped up by those 2 meaningless blowout wins (4-0 over Calgary and 5-0 over Vancouver) near the end of the regular season last year, after the losing streak that ended their chances of finishing 1st in the division.

In their other 21 games, they’re 5-16, with 3 of those wins in OT over the Oilers in the playoffs. And their goal differential is -27 in those 21 games.

wow wow wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

and people think there's nothing wrong with maurice or the gm that they're of the best & in the top tier in the league.

 

[cbcwpg]

Just watched the 3rd period after reading 6 pages of the PTG. That offside is totally on Scheifele. No need to make that move at the blue line when nobody was within 15 feet of him. Glad I didn’t watch this live, I would totally have lost my sh*t. So damned frustrating.

Have to disagree. Sure Chef hesitated or whatever at the blue line, but he's the puck carrier and can do whatever he wants, Connor isn't. Connor passed to Copp who passed to Chef. At that point Connor isn't really even in the play anymore and Connor has one job... don't go offside. I don't think Connor went offside because he wanted to get the puck back to get the hat-trick and was going into the zone too fast...I think he was just watching the play and didn't think where he was on the ice.

The Jets took a guaranteed win after the empty net goal, put it in a pile, poured a 45 gallon drum of gas on it, and lit it up.

 

[LowLefty]

I don't care what Scheifele was doing with the puck, he could have been doing figure 8's and crossovers at the blue line, you don't go offside on that play when you have absolutely no involvement in it. Your only job is to stay onside, it was absurdly stupid regardless of how well he played prior to that.

As big a mistake as that was by Connor however, can someone tell me where Ehlers was tonight? Although I will say be played the least minutes of anyone in the top 6 tonight. C'mon Maurice, figure it out already, everyone else has.

You may not care but how the puck carrier handles the puck crossing the blue line but it does impact the wingers and their ability to stay on side.
I suppose KC could have simply stopped and watched the play - but I think it's almost instinctive with these players keep up with the play.
I get why some are pissed off - it was a heart breaker - but I wouldn't put it all on KC.

 

[LowLefty]

He hasn't been invisible over 3 games, he was tonight. I don't see that as any reason to play an explosive, game breaking player less though. Ehlers is the type of player who can make something happen on any shift, you don't play guys like that less.

Minny will always be a tougher team for a guy like Ehlers - they clog things up, don't give you much room, play a heavy game - and now they have speed.
Ehlers will be fine - he won't have his way out there with zone entries every night - but he needs to be out there as much or more.
A little more playmaking on that line would be helpful and take some of the pressure of Ehlers - that line still needs work in making things happen as a group - IMO.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I'm afraid this thing is going to need to be blown up. Entire coaching staff fired kinda thing.

There are so many bad habits this team has that Paul will never fix, we allow our 'leaders' like Scheif and Wheeler to coast defensively and take long ass shifts. Add in the atrocious PK and defensive zone systems, the awful usage of players (Nash on PP1?? In what f***ing world?).

It is really, really bad and I have trouble seeing it get better without big changes.

No joy in Jetsville right now.

 

[SensibleGuy]

You may not care but how the puck carrier handles the puck crossing the blue line but it does impact the wingers and their ability to stay on side.
I suppose KC could have simply stopped and watched the play - but I think it's almost instinctive with these players keep up with the play.
I get why some are pissed off - it was a heart breaker - but I wouldn't put it all on KC.

I'm sorry, but if you think Connor wasn't just watching the play I don't know what you're seeing there. He was gliding along watching Chef score an empty netter. He wasn't "keeping up with the play." Game was over as far as he was concerned. If he was still in the game playing he might have thought not to go off-side. Actually, it would have been better if he had just stopped and watched rather than continuing to glide along...

 

[hockeyarena]

We need to cultivate a winning mentality, it is early season and our team is obviously not gelled yet, however we did more than enough for the 2 points and found a way to lose. Paul and the team has to put together 3 wins in a row, or else maybe its time for a new voice in the room to inspire the boys

5 cliches in 2 sentences, nice.

 

[surixon]

I'm afraid this thing is going to need to be blown up. Entire coaching staff fired kinda thing.

There are so many bad habits this team has that Paul will never fix, we allow our 'leaders' like Scheif and Wheeler to coast defensively and take long ass shifts. Add in the atrocious PK and defensive zone systems, the awful usage of players (Nash on PP1?? In what f***ing world?).

It is really, really bad and I have trouble seeing it get better without big changes.

No joy in Jetsville right now.

Yup I continue to see a team that is half invested.

I'll still give it another 7 games but the same type of habits are appearing in our play as has been consistiently present for the last few years. Our goalie just isn't saving our bacon so far this season.

 

[LowLefty]

I'm sorry, but if you think Connor wasn't just watching the play I don't know what you're seeing there. He was gliding along watching Chef score an empty netter. He wasn't "keeping up with the play." Game was over as far as he was concerned. If he was still in the game playing he might have thought not to go off-side.

I didn't say KC wasn't watching the play - but even if he was, it's tough to anticipate the center making moves at the blue line when he doesn't need to make moves.
These guys are expected to keep up with the play - there was no reason the play should have stopped at the blue line with wingers in motion. Scheif wasn't being pressured.

You see this type of off side in most games - it's caused by timing being off on entry and it's usually caused by a delay by the puck carrier who is making moves on the blue line when the wingers are in motion.

KC is taking the blame on this on - he was off side - I'm just pointing out how this type of off side happens and how there is more to it than him crossing the blue line ahead of the play.

 

[CorgisPer60]

If you are a neutral fan, that was a fun game. I would have been positively thrilled if I weren't a Jets fan. Instead, I'm left frustrated because of lack of focus in the final few minutes of the game. 3 inches took what was the sure win into a bounce-laden tying goal and overtime victory. Again, fun if you're a neutral fan.

Oh, way to unbalance the lineup and protect Cole Perfetti so you could play a 7th D for 4 minutes. Really f***ing galaxy brained yourself in that one, Maurice.

Kirill Kaprizov is somebody I'm not used to seeing on the Wild - young and skilled. They're usually a team of beneficial grinders. How dare they have somebody electric playing on their top line. Why can't we have someone like that on our top line?

It's interesting how well that top line played with Andrew Copp, as opposed to a boat anchor shell of his former self. I love Blake Wheeler and everything he's done for the organisation, but please let him have his minutes reduced so he can preserve what's left of his game. Quit playing him on the f***ing top line. Quit playing him on the PK.

RILEY f***ING NASH on PP1. Are you f***ing kidding me? Really? The guy who you signed to be a fourth line defensive specialist? You're putting that on the power play. The PK is still f***ing dreadful, and the power play is equally bad.

Here I thought divorcing myself from my emotions would make me less irritated about the Jets.