Post-Game Talk: Jets lose somehow, 6-5 Wild

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Ducky10

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I'm at a loss to name another team in the NHL that runs this system to anywhere near the same degree as us. That right there should tell you all you need to know about the scheme....
I'm beyond even giving him credit for it being a m2m system. It's not a system at all, it's full on clown cars. Nobody knows what the hell is going on, their positioning and outlet options are non existent. Even Helle doesn't have a clue what's going on, no idea who is doing what. It's brutal to watch.
 

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Maurice scratched Cole Perfetti for 4 useless minutes of Nathan Beaulieu as #7D. What a f***ing waste. Get the hell out of here, Paul. You've turned this amazing roster into a losing mission year after year. You're not the answer to the problems that this team is trying to work through. You ARE the problem.
Have no idea the thought process behind that decision.
 
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DannyGallivan

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Tough night.

I found the game really spirited and entertaining all be it flawed from both teams at times. The problem is we choked away a big lead and that really f***ed up my joy.

We need to have at least 10 points after 10 games.

I have the coaching thread on ignore for a reason but right now when the best goalie in the NHL isn’t saving this team and their coaches asses then life gets real fast.

I do like our talent level this season but so far something is a bit off still.

One thing I dig is how the little “derogatory term for a communist” tossed that cheap shot elbow on the next Chara. We have the bigger tougher team with 4 legit fighters but the Wild took it too us despite that all game and we were constantly retaliating after they initiated?

For the first time ever I want to buy tickets to see the Wild play in our identity crisis arena.
Looking forward to a wonderful rivalry...finally.
 
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Ducky10

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If Ehlers has been invisible doesn’t it make sense he gets less minutes.
He hasn't been invisible over 3 games, he was tonight. I don't see that as any reason to play an explosive, game breaking player less though. Ehlers is the type of player who can make something happen on any shift, you don't play guys like that less.
 

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Tough night.

I found the game really spirited and entertaining all be it flawed from both teams at times. The problem is we choked away a big lead and that really f***ed up my joy.

We need to have at least 10 points after 10 games.

I have the coaching thread on ignore for a reason but right now when the best goalie in the NHL isn’t saving this team and their coaches asses then life gets real fast.

I do like our talent level this season but so far something is a bit off still.

One thing I dig is how the little “derogatory term for a communist” tossed that cheap shot elbow on the next Chara. We have the bigger tougher team with 4 legit fighters but the Wild took it too us despite that all game and we were constantly retaliating after they initiated?

For the first time ever I want to buy tickets to see the Wild play in our identity crisis arena.

Always like your analysis sir. Very level headed.

I too enjoyed the game, had the intensity of a real rivalry game. Lots of pokes and jabs and after whistle stuff. Some heavy hits, and some cheap shots. This was my first time seeing Kaprizov and he comes as advertised. I'd say the game was a saw off unti we got that 5-3 lead, and then it was the same old stop skating make the safe play and defend. Obviously there were some fluky goals against, but I am wondering what the heck is going with this team's special teams. Scored 2 tonight, gave up 3, that's 7 goals on the PK in 3 games. No team wins that way. Personnel decisions like putting Stastny out there shorthanded, who can't skate well anymore, instead of good skating players like Harkins or Vesalainen, who got significant looks in preseason, is mystyfying to me.

I agree there is something off this year. The d pairings look off, with new faces. But something else is brewing I suspect. Ehlers looked angry on the bench. I wonder how he feels about being snubbed on the top PP unit with the Cap out, for Riley Nash. Beaulieu looked dejected in the 3rd being stuck to the bench, even shorthanded.

I could tell Adam Lowry was a bit steamed he wasn't out in the final minute of regulation with the game on the line. I think coach was trying to get his star the hatty, but Lowry had a burr in his saddle and damn near set up a SH GWG, unfortunately Stanley's rush was the dagger, as that was a sweet finish by the Wild.

Missed it by that much, as Maxwell Smart would say, hopefully the Jets get the boost they need from the hometown crowd. There was definitely some positives to draw on in this game.
 
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I don't care what Scheifele was doing with the puck, he could have been doing figure 8's and crossovers at the blue line, you don't go offside on that play when you have absolutely no involvement in it. Your only job is to stay onside, it was absurdly stupid regardless of how well he played prior to that.

As big a mistake as that was by Connor however, can someone tell me where Ehlers was tonight? Although I will say be played the least minutes of anyone in the top 6 tonight. C'mon Maurice, figure it out already, everyone else has.
No way in heaven or a "Winnipeg north-end backlane" should Scheifele and Connor been back on the ice after that taken away insurance goal. Should have been a rested Lowry with Harkins-Nash-Ves-Svech-PLD-Ehlers, any 2 of these guys, and Dillon and Demelo on D! Hockey Shut-Down Coaching 101.
 

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Jets have lost 16 of their last 23, dating back to last year.

Only 2 of their 7 wins in the last 23 games were by more than one non-empty-net goal. Both were against non-playoff teams.

3 of those 7 wins required OT (the last 3 wins over Edmonton in the playoffs).

Only 4 of their 16 losses in the last 23 games were by only 1 goal. 2 of those 4 losses were in OT: the last game of the Habs series and tonight.

They’ve lost 5 games by 3 or more goals during that span: 3-0 and 6-1 to the Oilers, 4-1 to the Leafs, 5-1 to Montreal in the playoffs and 4-1 in this year’s season opener in Anaheim.

The Jets have a goal differential of -18 in the last 23 games, but that’s propped up by those 2 meaningless blowout wins (4-0 over Calgary and 5-0 over Vancouver) near the end of the regular season last year, after the losing streak that ended their chances of finishing 1st in the division.

In their other 21 games, they’re 5-16, with 3 of those wins in OT over the Oilers in the playoffs. And their goal differential is -27 in those 21 games.
 
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81 getting the hat trick was more important to Maurice than the win. He knows he can always finesse Chipman with some of his BS. What a joke this organization is. At least fire Hiezinger
 
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Is this a joke? I turned off the game to go get groceries after the EN...

wtf..
I think it was Maurice who called for the "off-side before the goal" review. "What the hell, we are winning with barely over a minute to go and up by 2? I call bull-shit. Can't be right? Somebody had to be off-side?"
Then he put his Scorers out there to attempt to re-enact a 2 goal lead!. Just adding excitement value, ya know.
 

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Feels like a microcosm of the games thus far have been "one step forward, two steps back". There are certainly some glimpses of what the Jets can do well, along with falling backwards into good things (Copp with Scheifele shows some promise to explore a bit), but yeesh does the habits of old come back to haunt this team hard. They completely turtled for those last 12 minutes of the 3rd, and then knowing full well of Connor's issues of chipping/dumping the puck out of the dzone, Maurice kept him and the defensively-absent-minded-at-times Scheifele out there, over the likes of Lowry, Ehlers (who apparently the Jets think is just all-offence these days), Dubois (although he can't win faceoffs so I sorta get that), etc. Lots of square pegs into round holes.

It's hard to keep building up from where ever they are, if they keep faltering and falling down to the same old issues of 2019-21. I don't even know where to start anymore. At least I felt after game 2 that if they solved a bit of their special teams issues they could manage, but even with a bit of luck today on that side they still managed to lose. Too many problems to fix. I don't think we can absolve Maurice of his blindspots any longer if we want to be realistic competitors for the Cup for this year and the remainder of the primes of the likes of Hellebuyck, Scheifele, Ehlers, etc.
 

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Jets have lost 16 of their last 23, dating back to last year.

Only 2 of their 7 wins in the last 23 games were by more than one non-empty-net goal. Both were against non-playoff teams.

3 of those 7 wins required OT (the last 3 wins over Edmonton in the playoffs).

Only 4 of their 16 losses in the last 23 games were by only 1 goal. 2 of those 4 losses were in OT: the last game of the Habs series and tonight.

They’ve lost 5 games by 3 or more goals during that span: 3-0 and 6-1 to the Oilers, 4-1 to the Leafs, 5-1 to Montreal in the playoffs and 4-1 in this year’s season opener in Anaheim.

The Jets have a goal differential of -18 in the last 23 games, but that’s propped up by those 2 meaningless blowout wins (4-0 over Calgary and 5-0 over Vancouver) near the end of the regular season last year, after the losing streak that ended their chances of finishing 1st in the division.

In their other 21 games, they’re 5-16, with 3 of those wins in OT over the Oilers in the playoffs. And their goal differential is -27 in those 21 games.
First, I do honestly appreciate you gathering statistics - I think this analysis does have some merit, and those numbers tell a story.

But why 23? That's an odd number to me. Why not 20 or 25 or 50? I'm not saying you can't use 23 ('round' numbers aren't inherently better), but I think it should be justified in order to be most objective/"fair"/accurate.

(It's okay to even just call out that it's when they started playing like crap - I don't actually know - I'm just interested).
 

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First, I do honestly appreciate you gathering statistics - I think this analysis does have some merit, and those numbers tell a story.

But why 23? That's an odd number to me. Why not 20 or 25 or 50? I'm not saying you can't use 23 ('round' numbers aren't inherently better), but I think it should be justified in order to be most objective/"fair"/accurate.

(It's okay to even just call out that it's when they started playing like crap - I don't actually know - I'm just interested).

23 games ago was the start of their 7 game losing streak, which started April 17th.

The game before, they beat the Leafs 5-2 in Toronto, moving within 3 points of 1st place in the division. Connors and Ehlers had 2 goals each, both scoring their 20th of the year (in the 44th game), Scheifele had 3 points, and Hellebuyck stopped 31 of 33 (the Jets were outshot 33-24 in the win). That was the last game of a 5 game road trip, and the busiest part of their schedule (3 in 4 nights, and 5 in 8). They were about to start a 5 game home stand, have a 5 day break between games, and finish the year with 9 of the last 12 at home. They hadn’t been playing especially well, but they were 9-4 since the trade deadline and looked poised to overtake the Leafs and face the easier (we thought) matchup in round 1, the Habs or maybe the Flames.

Instead, they just wilted, losing all 5 games at home without hardly putting up a fight: 3-0 to Edmonton, then 5-3 and 4-1 to the Leafs, then 6-1 and 3-1 to Edmonton again.

They’ve been bad ever since. 3 meaningless wins over sad sack teams once the regular season was essentially over (including the 2 shutout blowouts), then 4 close fought wins in the playoffs to knock off the Oilers (all effectively by one goal, the Jets had 2 late EN goals in the 4-1 win in the series opener). And otherwise loss after loss after loss.

Including tonight, when it was 5-3 with 5 minutes left, and 5-4 with Scheifele taking an uncontested shot on an empty net, and 5-5 with Lowry hitting Stanley in stride on a 2-on-1 in overtime.

They’re just bad right now. The team has no confidence in itself. Maurice seems to be out of ideas, if he ever had any. Their special teams are terrible and they’re being outplayed 5-on-5. Hellebuyck is struggling, and has had some bad bounces. And now they’ll be without their captain for 10 days, at least.

I don’t see much reason to be optimistic they’re about to turn things around. I do think they have enough talent to be a good team this year but they might need a hard reset to start playing to their potential. Which could mean a coaching change, as early as mid-November (if they’re still struggling 2 weeks after Wheeler comes back).
 
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