Post-Game Talk: Jets lose 3-2 in OT

[Robinson2187]

Laine got here because of his shot... but now he seems to have forgotten just how wide the net is.

I would say narrow

 

[Channelcat]

Agreed

There were times last year where he carried the team on his back ....

Laine? I dont remember that at all.

 

[scelaton]

Yes, he had played there...in the super predictable PP1 set up that every team knows and takes away the one-timer.

Our doofus coach needs to put 29 with 55 and realize that the 18/29 combo never has worked and never will work. Connor and Ehlers play with him during their slump but for some reason Laine doesn’t. Brutal coaching. Setting up our best sniper to fail. No wonder he’s never won anything as a coach.

57’s brutal pass to 55 on the power play came around the boards and handcuffed Laine that led to the SJ OT goal. That’s not on Laine.

What are you talking about? Laine was set up beautifully multiple times for clear one-timers on PP1.

Go back and look at the OT goal. Laine had plenty of time to deal with the pass and flubbed it.

Nice touch to dump on the coach though, especially on the occasion of his 1500th game.

 

[WPGChief]

• Many people have very, very short memories here.

• Regardless, Jets were already in deep when Morrissey went down to injury and your LHD with Trouba was combination of Chiarot and Morrow, and sometimes Myers - all three of which we know struggle outside of extremely specific situation. Quite interesting that Kulikov drew the short stick and never saw any time with Trouba... out of all the players on the ice, I would think his style would reflect Morrissey's the most, at least in the defensive zone. Jets then relied on Chiarot-Myers a little too heavily, but Hellebuyck was strong in relief. It certainly was a tale of three periods - Jets came out hot and Sharks equalized it; second period was all Jets (which is different from norm); but the third was heavily dominated by the Sharks.

• Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler at 5v5 weren't so hot today - granted, they weren't entirely hot either against Anaheim? But they got deserved rest with a 4+ goal cushion, but then they struggled against San Jose, which is kind of expected - but it was especially poor in terms of your expected goals. What hurts them the most in this regard? Of all their shots on the ice tonight, only Wheeler hit the net twice - the other 5 CF were missed or blocked. Your top line didn't really challenge Martin Jones tonight outside a great snipe of Wheeler off the rush and in between the legs of the opposing defenceman, but that's about all they did.

• Laine-Little-Roslovic - surprise! They actually had a decent game tonight, with nothing to show for it. Of course these days, nothing to show for it means they were are the worst thing ever and that Laine should get paid Matthews' salary but with no bonus structure. Laine certainly was shooting them out of a cannon tonight trying to get the monkey out of his back, but the problem was the same as Scheifele and Connor tonight - misses and blocks. Honestly speaking though, this was a better game than what we've come to expect from the LLR line, but unfortunately with no positive outcomes.
  • Let's take a little bit of an extended look at Laine here as he's obviously struggling:
    
    
    
    
  • In terms of xG, his rolling average has obviously cratered since his torrid pace in November, but he's generally still above a NHL player's average. Of course we've come to expect much more from him, and deservedly so. But let's set that baseline - exactly what have we come to expect? Let's compare his previous two seasons shot density at even strength and power play versus what he's doing this year:
    
    
    
    
  • Generally speaking, the shots he is taking is what we would hope an elite goalscorer would shoot from at 5v5 - at the very least, within the faceoff dots. Based on a quick glimpse between the two sets however, there's one good thing but two bad things we can see: one - he's getting between the dots, which is closer from the top of the circles in the slot; two bad things - his presence at the front of the net has disappeared entirely and the shots he takes from outside the slot are at the top of the circles. This is the area he would obviously hover around on a power play, but not what we need to see during 5v5 play.
  • (The power play hasn't changed much in terms of density other than a new blip in front of the crease, from when he and Scheifele switched spots to create a small change in their PP when it stalled. While this is just eyeballing it, it certainly seems like there's a bit more coming up closer to the blue line than the faceoff dot as he relies on one-timers more.)
  • So, for Laine. I'm going to bring in the responsibility assignment matrix here - as in, who is Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, and Informed (RACI)? Obviously, Laine himself is responsible and accountable for his performance. However, the coaches bear part of the accountability and the majority of the consulting - as in, the forward lines and power play structure. Laine has, for worthwhile minutes at the very least, always played with Little and a combination of Connor, Roslovic, and Ehlers on the other wing. Perreault has been injected sometimes, but for periods at a time - but in looking at the numbers, his only positive xG for the season has been when he was with Tanev and Lowry. As we've also seen, the PP1 has stalled in the absence of Byfuglien with the second unit doing the majority of the lifting as we, including the coaching staff it seems, hopes that eventually he'll pot one and get back into form. Problem is, there's another team on the ice the Jets are playing against, and it's clear they're getting predictable and "trying to play their game" and hope it works out.
    • As such, yes, Laine does have some deserved criticism. However, I fail to see how everyone else involved is completely absolved of their duty to get the best out of their hockey team.

• Perreault-Lowry-Tanev - back to the regular analysis, and back to this line kicking all sorts of ass. Lowry was absolutely dominant in the faceoff circle as well, and Perreault finally showed that he can score on this line again when it isn't Tanev surprising everyone. More impressively, this was majorly done against the Kane-Hertl-Donskoi line.

• Appleton-Copp-Lemieux - forgettable performance tonight. I think the only thing I really recall from them was Lemieux hitting some people, but they spent the time being hemmed in their own zone and having to dump it out and go for a change.

• Trouba and whomever he was with, it didn't really matter because Trouba carried the load respectably once his partner was done for the evening. It wasn't a lot of offense that he generated, per say, but he still kept the shots against rate at a respectable number in comparison to his peers.

• Chiarot-Myers were next up to be the primary pairing this evening at 5v5 as Trouba spent his team on all sorts of special times, and did what they could to try and score lots of goals but unfortunately didn't do much in preventing them either.

• Kulikov-Morrow - again, I was quite surprised that it seemed like Kulikov didn't get more time, especially with Trouba, once Morrissey went down, but in retrospect I think it was due to a lot of the power play time that the Jets didn't score on unfortunately. Hopefully Morrissey's not out for any extended period of time, but if he is, I would expect Kulikov to admirably perform in Morrissey's stead. Oh - but otherwise, both these players shot the puck a lot and missed the net a lot. Yuck.

Chief's final eyetest says: that offside challenge has become such a perversion of what the rule has intended to be and the NHL would be smart to solve it sooner than later, as I don't think anyone approves of it other than the 60 seconds of relief that the victorious team gets after the challenge.

Chief's other final eyetest says: when talking about Laine, R-E-L-A-X.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, but how has no one else mentioned what the hell the Jets were trying to do on the power play in overtime? They had Wheeler, Laine, and Trouba/Myers rotate around the umbrella at 4v3? They regularly ran out of space at their own fault and it's no surprise Laine flubbed the pass that led to the game winning goal as he was never comfortable on a 4 on 3 power play.

As I mentioned before though, people have short memories. Are we completely forgetting Wheeler's flubbed reception just moments before that led to a 3-on-2 that Myers and Wheeler failed to recover and Scheifele dragged his feet in getting back leading to the following blown coverage and great save by Hellebuyck?

 

[Robinson2187]

we all are so down

I'm not

 

[Robinson2187]

Had a couple of good chances, including one from the slot, as I recall. How many chances did Roslovic have? Little?

Little was sick. He had a good rush in the first but was all alone. There was another good play in the second if memory serves. Jack didn't get any looks but he was decent otherwise.

 

[Robinson2187]

He got rolled up by the D and got a weak one hand backhander. I thought he might have been smarter to curl up and look for a trailer. He had no real chance to score on that.

There was no trailer

 

[winnipegger]

On the plus side Roslovic is definitely a player. He is night and day from the beginning of the season. Looks like a top 6 winger to me. If Laine becomes a good player at some point (yes please can this happen now) the Jets are absolutely stacked with wingers.

 

[Evil Little]

Man, the Sharks are insufferable.

I imagine if I read this thread I'd say the same about you lot.

 

[Gotaf7]

Laine? I dont remember that at all.

Either do I, he has been a one trick pony since he got hammered by McCabe!

 

[Jets 31]

Gonna give some players a break because there is definitely a bug going through the team right now , Wheeler had it , i'm thinking Little has it and you could hear in the interview with Scheif earlier in the afternoon that he was plugged up . Morrissey going down just killed us especially without Buff and trying to not give Morrow too many minutes . Morrow falling down as the Jets were coming out to start the game was good humor though . I like Maurice but playing Morrow ahead of Niku is just stupid , plus i think once Morrissey went down Niku could have helped the PP .

 

[Jets 31]

Either do I, he has been a one trick pony since he got hammered by McCabe!

That hit did change the way Laine played to me , but what the hell do i know .

 

[Jets 31]

I also will cut Laine a little slack because he's only 20 , he's gonna make mistakes but i have less slack for Wheeler . You are a veteran and captain , stop with the long shifts and giveaways .

 

[JetsHomer]

Seems like the game was 5 seconds long. Don't see anyone mentioning Little tonight. Can you describe even one play involving Little? He was a ghost. Scheifele and Wheeler were not good, and any one of their giveaways or soft plays could have cost the Jets a goal.

The puck bobbled on Laine with pressure, which happens to Wheeler a half a dozen times a game. The result sucks for Laine.

Little had a breakaway the first period and an awesome cross ice chance from a beauty Roslo feed

 

[JetsHomer]

Drives you nuts thru my remote at my tv but like Laine I missed , seriously though I would switch Wheeler and Connor, play Wheeler down deep and go to the net and let Connor handle the puck.

You'd be a terrible coach lmao. Wheeler led the league in PP assists last year and is tied for the lead again this year

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I swear Perreault really needs to work on his offsides. No player on the roster has done more offsides than he has this season.

 

[King Woodballs]

Do you honestly think that would have a positive effect? Something needs to happen but what. I don’t see that helping

I don’t see it happening either.
But what is the point of playing him 6 minutes a night on the 4th line?
He is young. He will survive.
Watch a game from the press box and see things from a different view.
Couldn’t make him play any worse

 

[King Woodballs]

1500 games and he takes laine off the pp with 1min 30 seconds left ppl cry and blame laine that's just karma for stupid coach

Stupid lol
Laine had how many chances on what two power plays and missed the net on more than half of them?
But the coach is stupid for taking him off the power play. Yeah ok

 

[misterman]

There are more issues then Just Laine’s play as of late. I can’t understand why people are so focused on what only he is doing and not the rest of the top guys.

Does no one else get frustrated when wheels and chief caught up the puck, cheat defensively, make bad passes, etc. Sure there great but come on they make just as many mistakes and are never held accountable. Instead they play in every scenario. Time to cut the minutes back as well.

Agreed. And Helle didn't play that pass in OT too well. Sorry, he was good tonight, but we needed a big stop there.

 

[misterman]

That just might happen when his buddy gets back in the line up.

Maybe we can get Puljujarvi from the Oil for a bag of pucks and have him play with 29.

 

[misterman]

Low hanging fruit. Nobody is going to rail at Scheifele or Wheeler or Little.

Yup. Seems to me someone blew the 3-1 lead, ahem Wheeler. That was the game right there. Should have never made it to OT in the first place.

 

[SUX2BU]

Laine? I dont remember that at all.

March 6/18
Laine 3 - rangers 0

Nov 24/18
Jets 8 - blues 4 (laine 5 goals)

Thanks to him, gord and Cassie are now gracing our TVs

And the kid is only 20, he’ll find his game

 

[JetsNut]

Best post I read all night!

Or perhaps give him the same opportunity that Maurice gave Ehlers when he was struggling... move him to the first line to see if that gets him going!

 

[PhilJets]

Laine? I dont remember that at all.

He was virtually the only player scoring in one stretch in March.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Laine? I dont remember that at all.

Late Feb/early March
He was the only guy scoring