Speculation: Jets General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation 15-16 Part XIII

[puck stoppa]

With Mathias, it will be one of those two. I don't think Dano will get sent down.

Plus who else then? Two guys need to go down plus Peluso.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Thanks, I have this feeling that Copp will be the guy sent down, maybe even Dano if he doesn't show up in shape as the Jets had asked him to do. Does anyone have that corsi chart comparison for Copp and Lowry for last year? I really want to see if it matches my eye test.

There ya go.

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Funny thing is that if you look at each individually instead of the side-by-side compare they look far closer together. Somehow when you select compare Copp's offence gets magnified. Both lack offense and both do very well at shot suppression.

 

[puck stoppa]

There ya go.

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Funny thing is that if you look at each individually instead of the side-by-side compare they look far closer together. Somehow when you select compare Copp's offence gets magnified. Both lack offense and both do very well at shot suppression.

Thanks, where the heck do you find these so quickly?
There sure will be some tough decisions ahead for PMo. Watch Peluso and Thor stay up and both these guys go down
Copp looks pretty good there and scoring should improve.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

With Mathias, it will be one of those two. I don't think Dano will get sent down.

Lowry needs waivers. Pretty sure he does not clear.

 

[Jet]

what do you guys think about signing Vrabata to a two year deal?

Pair him with laine and schef.

I just don't see where Vrbata fits in. We need to start working some of our other guys into the lineup as it is.

 

[Duke749]

Lowry needs waivers. Pretty sure he does not clear.

Yeh no way he clears.

I just don't see where Vrbata fits in. We need to start working some of our other guys into the lineup as it is.

Agreed.

 

[drumzan]

Is it just me or is Lawless breaking more Panthers news this year than the Jets?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Thanks, where the heck do you find these so quickly?
There sure will be some tough decisions ahead for PMo. Watch Peluso and Thor stay up and both these guys go down
Copp looks pretty good there and scoring should improve.

http://ownthepuck.blogspot.ca/

Great site. Continually improving the way it shows a visual snapshot of a players advanced stats. The caveat is that it is not as good as an in depth examination/analysis of the stats by any of those competent to do so. It does not cover everything but it is great for the math challenged like me.

 

[sully1410]

Is it just me or is Lawless breaking more Panthers news this year than the Jets?

He no longer just reports on the Jets. He belongs to the world now.

And the panthers actually have news to report...so that makes a difference.

 

[sully1410]

Plus who else then? Two guys need to go down plus Peluso.

Get rid of Stafford...done.

 

[Jet]

Is it just me or is Lawless breaking more Panthers news this year than the Jets?

Please tell me we are trading him

 

[sully1410]

Lowry needs waivers. Pretty sure he does not clear.

We could trade him. I'd rather ice the best team possible instead of worrying about who might get claimed off of waivers. You don't just start winning over night and it doesn't happen by accident. You have to actually make a concious decision that you are going to go for it...and that happens at the top levels of management and it resonates all the way down the line up.

It's time. There is dead weight on this team, and it needs to be taken care of. That's just the way it is. We start doing that...we start winning more games. We get to the playoffs. If we do that a few times...suddenly we are a team that free agents want to sign with because why? We win.

Places like Pittsburgh and Detroit and Minnesota and Edmonton and Calgary aren't all that much "nicer" than Winnipeg is (Detroit especially), yet they never seem to to have an issue attracting free agents. Why? A city like Detroit has similar climate to Winnipeg. It is bankrupt and is crumbling...yet players want to go there because the DRW have a history of success. Same with the Penguins. Edmonton and Calgary look to be taking the next steps quite quickly. Minnesota has become a playoff team...

We need to do that. And part of that is having a plan that includes free agents. FAs, the good ones, don't want to sign somewhere that they aren't part of the long term solution. They have other things to think about, so when Winnipeg is going full youth and they only want these high octane FAs as a stop gap until one of our prospects can do what they do, but cheaper. Its no wonder we don't get any here.

I'm not saying it's the wrong way to go about things, because I would hate to be tied to some of those contracts, but that's why.

The team is on the edge of greatness, and players see that and they want to be a part of that...but we can't offer them the security that they want. The only solution is to become the kind of team where they are OK with sacrificing some of that security of it means winning.

 

[phamJET]

I just don't see where Vrbata fits in. We need to start working some of our other guys into the lineup as it is.

My concern is other than wheeler, the jets dont have a real RW scoring threat, signing vrabata to a short term deal could give the jets more of a scoring touch and a big foward like laine could benefit from having a pure goal scorer like vrabata on the opposite wing. Laine size and speed can push the defense back and leave room for vrabata to skate into the slot.

the opposing team will have their hands full trying to stick with laine and chef, this will leave holes in the defense for vrabata to exploit.

The jets could then move stafford down to the 3rd line where it fits his style a lot more.

This top 9 isnt bad:

ehlers--little--wheeler
laine--Scheifele--vrabata
connor--pereault--stafford

 

[Duke749]

Ehlers is actually a RWinger.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We could trade him. I'd rather ice the best team possible instead of worrying about who might get claimed off of waivers. You don't just start winning over night and it doesn't happen by accident. You have to actually make a concious decision that you are going to go for it...and that happens at the top levels of management and it resonates all the way down the line up.

It's time. There is dead weight on this team, and it needs to be taken care of. That's just the way it is. We start doing that...we start winning more games. We get to the playoffs. If we do that a few times...suddenly we are a team that free agents want to sign with because why? We win.

Places like Pittsburgh and Detroit and Minnesota and Edmonton and Calgary aren't all that much "nicer" than Winnipeg is (Detroit especially), yet they never seem to to have an issue attracting free agents. Why? A city like Detroit has similar climate to Winnipeg. It is bankrupt and is crumbling...yet players want to go there because the DRW have a history of success. Same with the Penguins. Edmonton and Calgary look to be taking the next steps quite quickly. Minnesota has become a playoff team...

We need to do that. And part of that is having a plan that includes free agents. FAs, the good ones, don't want to sign somewhere that they aren't part of the long term solution. They have other things to think about, so when Winnipeg is going full youth and they only want these high octane FAs as a stop gap until one of our prospects can do what they do, but cheaper. Its no wonder we don't get any here.

I'm not saying it's the wrong way to go about things, because I would hate to be tied to some of those contracts, but that's why.

The team is on the edge of greatness, and players see that and they want to be a part of that...but we can't offer them the security that they want. The only solution is to become the kind of team where they are OK with sacrificing some of that security of it means winning.

I agree Sully but when talking specifically about Matthias he will get a spot on the Jets this year. In the era of the fixed contract we can't just cut players from TC. It is a complex balancing act. I suspect that the expansion draft was at least part of the reason for signing him. I haven't worked it out in detail yet but I don't think it works unless there is a trade somewhere. Actually at least one. We have to get to 7+3+1 or Matthias was unnecessary because we would have been exposing enough qualified players anyway. So that is 1 trade. If we hadn't acquired Matthias but did get to 7+3+1 I will say, for example that we would have had to expose Lowry to meet the requirement. If the alternative is that we have to expose Lowry to waivers because we have Matthias then we haven't accomplished anything by having him. So there will have to be a 2nd trade to move a forward. That could be Lowry or it could be someone else creating room for Lowry or the 2 needs could be combined in one package deal. Lowry is not the only possibility. I think Burmi is in the same position for another.

I will need to figure out the lineup possibilities in some detail to see if that 2nd scenario is real or not. Certainly if we keep Stafford we begin to run out of room for all the waiver eligible players.

So if signing Matthias is not just a random knee-jerk signing but part of a rational plan Chevy must be planning more moves.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My concern is other than wheeler, the jets dont have a real RW scoring threat, signing vrabata to a short term deal could give the jets more of a scoring touch and a big foward like laine could benefit from having a pure goal scorer like vrabata on the opposite wing. Laine size and speed can push the defense back and leave room for vrabata to skate into the slot.

the opposing team will have their hands full trying to stick with laine and chef, this will leave holes in the defense for vrabata to exploit.

The jets could then move stafford down to the 3rd line where it fits his style a lot more.

This top 9 isnt bad:

ehlers--little--wheeler
laine--Scheifele--vrabata
connor--pereault--stafford

What? Ehlers can't score? He is a RW. I think we have moved past any need for Stafford but he did score 21 goals last year. That is a scoring threat. His style fits the 3rd line better how exactly?

This top 9 isn't bad either:

Perreault - Scheifele - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Ehlers
Connor - Burmi - Dano

It may or may not be better with Vrbata. He is 35 YO and appears to be in decline. I wouldn't sign him for more than 1 year at the most. If we are going to keep Stafford then do your lineup but with Stafford where you had Vrbata:

ehlers--little--wheeler
laine--Scheifele--Stafford
connor--pereault--Dano/Armia

It won't be long before Laine and Connor are both ready for the top 6, IMO. Then Ehlers moves to RW anyway.

We really don't need anymore wingers. We didn't need the 2 we just acquired. We need to give what we have some time to shake out. See who makes it and who busts isn't quite ready yet. See who fits best where and with who. There is always room for improvement no matter who you have but we need to find out what we have before making any more additions or changes.

 

[sully1410]

I agree Sully but when talking specifically about Matthias he will get a spot on the Jets this year. In the era of the fixed contract we can't just cut players from TC. It is a complex balancing act. I suspect that the expansion draft was at least part of the reason for signing him. I haven't worked it out in detail yet but I don't think it works unless there is a trade somewhere. Actually at least one. We have to get to 7+3+1 or Matthias was unnecessary because we would have been exposing enough qualified players anyway. So that is 1 trade. If we hadn't acquired Matthias but did get to 7+3+1 I will say, for example that we would have had to expose Lowry to meet the requirement. If the alternative is that we have to expose Lowry to waivers because we have Matthias then we haven't accomplished anything by having him. So there will have to be a 2nd trade to move a forward. That could be Lowry or it could be someone else creating room for Lowry or the 2 needs could be combined in one package deal. Lowry is not the only possibility. I think Burmi is in the same position for another.

I will need to figure out the lineup possibilities in some detail to see if that 2nd scenario is real or not. Certainly if we keep Stafford we begin to run out of room for all the waiver eligible players.

So if signing Matthias is not just a random knee-jerk signing but part of a rational plan Chevy must be planning more moves.

To me...we should probably do 4+4+1. Vegas can only take 1 player from us and most of our untouchables aren't eligible (ie Ehlers, Connor, Laine etc.)

If we do 7+3+1...we leave Myers for sure exposed, and as a great #3 it would be WAY harder to try and swing a deal to protect him outside of out alloted amount than it would for say Dano.

Our four would probably be Little, Wheeler, Scheif, and Perreault(if he re-signs.) Outside of Dano, it's not going to hurt to lose any of the rest of our players.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

To me...we should probably do 4+4+1. Vegas can only take 1 player from us and most of our untouchables aren't eligible (ie Ehlers, Connor, Laine etc.)

If we do 7+3+1...we leave Myers for sure exposed, and as a great #3 it would be WAY harder to try and swing a deal to protect him outside of out alloted amount than it would for say Dano.

Our four would probably be Little, Wheeler, Scheif, and Perreault(if he re-signs.) Outside of Dano, it's not going to hurt to lose any of the rest of our players.

All my 7+3+1 talk is predicated on the assumption that we have traded 1 D, probably Myers. I'm not doing that without getting value. I prefer a near ready, expansion exempt LHD prospect like Sanheim and would add within reason to get that.

Barring that then, yes 4+4+1 is not a major disaster. My guess is that Dano is the one we lose, depending on how the exposed players do this year. That is unless we give LV something to take someone else.

In the Matthias context though we don't need him to meet expansion draft requirements unless we go to 7+3+1. Dano, Lowry, Burmi, Copp would all qualify if they spend most of this season with the Jets which at least 3 of them would have if we hadn't signed Matthias.

Trying to find reasons for signing Matthias here. If he doesn't enable the trade of a forward I can't see any reason for having signed him.

 

[Jet]

I'm sorry but I cannot believe anyone would advocate leaving Tyler Myers exposed rather than Marko Dano. It flabbergasts me.

I know the board at large isn't a fan of Myers but that seems like a stunning error.

Tyler Myers is a big guy, he's competent, and he has a great toolbox, if he can ever get his mind to catch up. I can still see the potential there to be much much better.

What has Marko Dano done, exactly? I don't want to lose him but I wouldn't keep him at the expense of Myers that's for sure.

PS my reading comprehension is terrible but my points stand

 

[sully1410]

All my 7+3+1 talk is predicated on the assumption that we have traded 1 D, probably Myers. I'm not doing that without getting value. I prefer a near ready, expansion exempt LHD prospect like Sanheim and would add within reason to get that.

Barring that then, yes 4+4+1 is not a major disaster. My guess is that Dano is the one we lose, depending on how the exposed players do this year. That is unless we give LV something to take someone else.

In the Matthias context though we don't need him to meet expansion draft requirements unless we go to 7+3+1. Dano, Lowry, Burmi, Copp would all qualify if they spend most of this season with the Jets which at least 3 of them would have if we hadn't signed Matthias.

Trying to find reasons for signing Matthias here. If he doesn't enable the trade of a forward I can't see any reason for having signed him.

Superior depth probably.

 

[BrianFromAIH]

I'm sorry but I cannot believe anyone would advocate leaving Tyler Myers exposed rather than Marko Dano. It flabbergasts me.

I know the board at large isn't a fan of Myers but that seems like a stunning error.

Tyler Myers is a big guy, he's competent, and he has a great toolbox, if he can ever get his mind to catch up. I can still see the potential there to be much much better.

What has Marko Dano done, exactly? I don't want to lose him but I wouldn't keep him at the expense of Myers that's for sure.

PS my reading comprehension is terrible but my points stand

I think exposing Myers is foolish and I'm far from a fan.

I DO think he should be shopped however.

 

[Jet]

I think exposing Myers is foolish and I'm far from a fan.

I DO think he should be shopped however.

I'm one of the few that like him, but I'm ok with that.

I would be open to trading him if we got the same value but LHD.

 

[Duke749]

I'm one of the few that like him, but I'm ok with that.

I would be open to trading him if we got the same value but LHD.

Plenty of people like Myers. He just has his moments where his brain leaves him.

 

[lanky]

There ya go.

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Funny thing is that if you look at each individually instead of the side-by-side compare they look far closer together. Somehow when you select compare Copp's offence gets magnified. Both lack offense and both do very well at shot suppression.

Lowry's 2015 chart looks better. Sophomore slump.

 

[BrianFromAIH]

I'm one of the few that like him, but I'm ok with that.

I would be open to trading him if we got the same value but LHD.

I shouldn't say I DISLIKE him, it's just I like Trouba and Buff more.


They're all competing for my affection