Post-Game Talk: Jets Crowned 3-2

[Howard Chuck]

I'm wondering if playing as a "power forward" takes its toll on a players accuracy during a game? I mean, executing a perfectly placed shot should be easier when your arms and body are fresh. I can't think of many snipers that also play a heavy game. As an example, Ovechkin, who plays a heavy game, scores by having a huge shot volume and hard shot. His accuracy is only decent. I think that if Laine is going to continue on this new path towards being a power forward, his shot volume needs to go up.

He certainly isn't shooting as much. Many times he has an opportunity but passes off. That's simply not his game and never has been. Someone has his ear imo.

 

[LowLefty]

LSW were generally spending too much time without the puck and chasing it. Not to defend them but I noticed (or thought I noticed) a terrible trend where the Jets have the puck and start the change to get the big guns out. It seems like our D always dump the puck (sometimes without much pressure on them) at this exact moment. Virtually giving the other team the puck and forcing LSW to steal it back.

that forward line needs to do better but it really seems like the D is shooting them in the foot every time they come out. In many of those scenarios there was plenty of time and space to delay and keep possession.

I may be reading this wrong - but if you are about to make a change (or are in the middle of one), don't you usually dump the puck to allow the change to complete?

 

[LowLefty]

He certainly isn't shooting as much. Many times he has an opportunity but passes off. That's simply not his game and never has been. Someone has his ear imo.

I can't imagine anyone telling Laine not to shoot -
But he isn't so someone has to tell him to shoot more -

 

[Howard Chuck]

I can't imagine anyone telling Laine not to shoot -
But he isn't so someone has to tell him to shoot more -

I sure wish someone would tell him. It seems that he has a completely different mind set now, that he needs to set up linemates. I really wish he would pull the trigger more and at least we could try to get some dirty goals on rebounds.

I actually wish most of the team would shoot more. We pass up so many opportunities looking for a play that's just a LITTLE bit better than the one we have, then we don't get a shot at all and lose possession.

 

[PhilJets]

Hello

I got nothing to say the last few days



Just hope

The shooter's mentality Laine comes back..
Soon...


Probably he is over compensating now to make himself the player his coach wants him to be so he can stay in the top line..

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Hello

I got nothing to say the last few days



Just hope

The shooter's mentality Laine comes back..
Soon...


Probably he is over compensating now to make himself the player his coach wants him to be so he can stay in the top line..

Didn't seem to work.

 

[ffh]

Hello

I got nothing to say the last few days



Just hope

The shooter's mentality Laine comes back..
Soon...


Probably he is over compensating now to make himself the player his coach wants him to be so he can stay in the top line..

maybe though this is who he is. a 15-20 goal scorer. its been almost a year and that's what he is on pace for.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Exactly. I thought about that kicker in Regina who had his yard trashed cuz he missed that field goal in the GC. Didn't want to take it down that road just in case.

I agree. I intended it strictly as a joke but I don't want to be giving anybody ideas. Or support for ideas they may already have. Not funny if it actually happens - or anything like it.

 

[PhilJets]

maybe though this is who he is. a 15-20 goal scorer. its been almost a year and that's what he is on pace for.

22 goals
89 points


Not bad i guess.....

 

[PhilJets]

Didn't seem to work.

Lets wait and give Mo til puck drop

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Lets wait and give Mo til puck drop

Well I think that's what it will be. Mo prefers Laine on the right side. The lines are fine. Just need Wheeler to find his game and get the PP working..

 

[Farmboy Patty]

maybe though this is who he is. a 15-20 goal scorer. its been almost a year and that's what he is on pace for.

That will probably be the norm for his entire career, on the power play, that is.

 

[Gm0ney]

Source?

Well, it seems extremely unlikely that Maurice is currently in the last year of his deal. Therefore he's got this year and next year left, at least.

Also, Chipman wasn't specific about the term two years ago when the extension was originally signed, but he said it was "medium term" - I think it's reasonable to assume 3-5 years as "medium term". And Maurice still had a year on his old deal when the extension was signed (not sure if that was superseded by the extension or not - but whatever the case, there's little chance that Maurice is in his last year right now).

Anyway, that's my reckoning...

 

[BoneDocUK]

Well, it seems extremely unlikely that Maurice is currently in the last year of his deal. Therefore he's got this year and next year left, at least.

Also, Chipman wasn't specific about the term two years ago when the extension was originally signed, but he said it was "medium term" - I think it's reasonable to assume 3-5 years as "medium term". And Maurice still had a year on his old deal when the extension was signed (not sure if that was superseded by the extension or not - but whatever the case, there's little chance that Maurice is in his last year right now).

Anyway, that's my reckoning...

I agree that "medium-term" is likely to be at least a 3-year deal.

And I doubt he's going anywhere soon. The Jets pride themselves on being a close-knit org where loyalty is prized and decisions are conservative. There's ample evidence from articles and interviews over the past 5-6 years that Chipman views he, Chevy and Maurice as a team, and that they feel lucky to have landed him in the wake of Noel. He's just over a year removed from Jack Adams consideration (curse though it may be) and a deep playoff run, less then a year away from coaching in the ASG and "leading' the team to a second PO appearance in as many years, despite the ignoble first-round exit.

He's here to stay, barring a 20-game slide, or something of that magnitude. And his sticking around precludes, IMO, anything like a contender window opening up again for the Jets anytime soon, unless he adapts more wholeheartedly to the team he has, rather than trying to make them into the throwback team he wants -- minus the great Ron Francis, of course, whom he apparently once coached.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Just wondering how (massively) different this thread would be if Connor could have finished with a net opening the size of a barn door and if Pionk could have scored on the rush?

They were almost indescribably bad in the first period. I honestly don't know how a team can be that poorly prepared. Does Maurice feed them tranquilizers? In '18 the fast start was their identity. WTH happened?

But they started the 2nd pretty well and then got better. They were actually good for the last half of that game. If they had played like that from the opening face-off they would have won.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If a lot of things go different - the Jets could have won.

The power play's current set up is not efficient. I would suggest moving Laine around to get him some different looks, and to give him the opportunity to create offense. Ehlers should be on the first unit as well.

Aside from some other things, I would like to see Laine and Scheifele trade places - at least half of the time. Ehlers swapped with Connor is a no brainer. Really, no excuse for that not having happened already just for zone entries alone.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Aside from some other things, I would like to see Laine and Scheifele trade places - at least half of the time. Ehlers swapped with Connor is a no brainer. Really, no excuse for that not having happened already just for zone entries alone.

What does it matter who sits in the middle doing nothing when the problem is mostly Wheeler currently? Scheifele is wasted there atm and Laine would be too.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

So I'm not the only one who sees that he does things not so well (for awhile I thought there was something wrong with me, lol)? I agree that the Calder will have to be sacrificed and the Norris and Hart will have to wait. If he's every to help us as a top 4 defenseman in this league, don't throw him in the lava pit that we currently have. If he was actually helping us win on a consistent basis, obviously I wouldn't say that. However, unless a lot of things that have absolutely nothing to do with Heinola change soon, we're not making the playoffs anyways. Scheifele spent time in the AHL, Morrissey spent time in the AHL, Connor spent time in the AHL, and there's absolutely no way Heinola should be thrown to the wolves any longer than he has been.

Scheifele did not spend time in the AHL unless you want to try to make something of his 10 game PO stint after his D+1 Jr season ended. (Personally, I wouldn't.)

Neither Morrissey nor Connor were as capable of playing in the NHL in D+2 as Heinola is in D+1. This is me being forced to play devils advocate again by someone making spurious arguments for sending Heinola down.

IMO, the lower level of competition will be a better place for Heinola to learn. That is an argument that has nothing to do with a comparison to Scheifele, Morrissey, Connor or any other Jet who did not make the NHL in D+1. For that matter, Laine too might have benefited from some time in the AHL.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Trade Buff and spend some money on a D man.

That might be a first. Trading a retired player.

 

[JetsFan815]

What does it matter who sits in the middle doing nothing when the problem is mostly Wheeler currently? Scheifele is wasted there atm and Laine would be too.

Wheeler looked just fine when Ehlers was playing on that line to start the season. I look forward to Scheifele and Wheeler looking solid again at 5 on 5 now that Ehlers is going to be on that line.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

was this worse than g6 against stl? didn't watch last night

No. The first period was about the same but the rest was better.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Wheeler looked just fine when Ehlers was playing on that line to start the season. I look forward to Scheifele and Wheeler looking solid again at 5 on 5 now that Ehlers is going to be on that line.

Too bad we will be a one line team again.

 

[LowLefty]

Too bad we will be a one line team again.

How so?

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I may be reading this wrong - but if you are about to make a change (or are in the middle of one), don't you usually dump the puck to allow the change to complete?

Not if you have time and space to hold onto the puck.
Most of what I'm referring to is the d-man dumping the puck into the neutral zone when not being pressured or forcing a long pass into coverage to the new forward coming out when a much safer option is available that could maintain possession for the guys who are supposed to score for us.

There's certainly lots of times that pucks need to be dumped but there's also time to value possession when you have it and space and support to keep it.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What does it matter who sits in the middle doing nothing when the problem is mostly Wheeler currently? Scheifele is wasted there atm and Laine would be too.

Because Wheeler is not the problem with the PP.

I said "aside from some other things". A lot of issues with the PP are being stated in this discussion and a lot of suggestions for improvements. I am suggesting one simple change that I think would help. The pass from the half wall to the slot is a lot shorter than the one to the far left side. Laine is good at getting the shot off in tight quarters. I'm not proposing it as a complete fix for all the issues. It might be one that Maurice would actually do though.

I'd like to see Ehlers in Connor's spot too. That is one that Maurice is unlikely to do.