Post-Game Talk: Jets crown a new Vezina King 4-0 loss

[MardyBum]

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I think Wheeler really struggled with the speed game. At this point they should prob put him with Lowry and Copp cuz then atleast maybe there would be a scorer there.

Thought Scheifs line especially 29 were solid.. 29 was the best player on the ice for both teams.

Here's a silly idea.

Perreault Scheif Laine.
Connor Roslo Ehlers
Copp Lowry Wheeler
Luoto Gus Spacek

Team tho looks like they need a new voice.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Wheeler really struggled with the speed game. At this point they should prob put him with Lowry and Copp cuz then atleast maybe there would be a scorer there.

Thought Scheifs line especially 29 were solid.. 29 was the best player on the ice for both teams.

Here's a silly idea.

Perreault Scheif Laine.
Connor Roslo Ehlers
Copp Lowry Wheeler
Luoto Gus Spacek

Team tho looks like they need a new voice.

You thought Laine was better than Mac? Or is Mac also 29?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

You thought Laine was better than Mac? Or is Mac also 29?

Yes Mac is also 29.

 

[DRW204]

The same data driven system that the Boston Bruins (Stanley cup finalists) offense uses. It a system that is built around seam passes and making the goalie move. Start crafting a dangerous layered rush system that utilizes a lot of seam passes. Allow our players to pass into the slot with regularity. Right now we cycle on the perimeter and pass to the point.

Go listan to Maurices interview from a few days ago. He clearly outlines how he wants the team to play in the offensive zone. He stated his preference for point shot driven offense and states his apprehension towards seam passes due to the potential risk of it coming back the other way quickly. It should be pretty clear that the coach wants a low risk low event offensive system that minimizes the risk of turnovers.

It's a poor use of our forward talent if you ask me.

WPG dumped and chase as much as some of the strong offenses (TBL, VGK, BOS, TOR) last season.

 

[surixon]

We have used the seam pass and it did result in a lot of turnovers - it's higher risk.
The top line drove the play last night and they got their shots - the problem wasn't system.
What were our high danger shots (1st line) vs the opposition last night? Does anyone have this?

They were on for 3 for 1 against. They all came at the end of the second or late in the third though. Laine only had one shot attempt from the slot (missed net)

Go to natural stat trick they have some useful info.

Funny enough Morrissey had his best stat game in a while. Crushed corsi, xgf and was even in high dangerous chances. Two goals went in against though so high which paints a more negative picture.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Certainly gave it his best effort, best Jet by a wide margin imo. Hard to be a game changer dragging that many passengers around.
Scheifele was awol on his side of the red line again and was apparently having seizures in the offensive zone. He was dreadful, MacKinnon showed him how a 1C plays tonight.

I liked Scheifele's play in the O zone. At least in the part of the game that I didn't FF over.

 

[surixon]

WPG dumped and chase as much as some of the strong offenses (TBL, VGK, BOS, TOR) last season.

They got to the slot much more though. Plus our ES offense wasn't that strong last year, we just had a much more potent PP (3rd in the league in 5 on 4 goals) which masked a lot of issues.

We finished 12th in 5 on 5 GF so right around the middle.

 

[Atoyot]

I liked Scheifele's play in the O zone. At least in the part of the game that I didn't FF over.

That line had at least 3 shifts where they were just globetrotting the Avalanche and it shows in their Corsi. Unfortunately no goals came from it or any real high quality chances for that matter. A lot of perimeter play.

 

[surixon]

Yup. We generate nothing and we aren't preventing much as a result of it either.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I feel bad for Poolman, he’s in way over his head as a top pairing guy. He’s getting murdered. Beaulieu, Kuli and Sbisa were pretty wonky at times, poor positionally, slow and had some real head scratcher decisions out there.

We aren’t going far with this D, just a sad, obvious fact.

While true it isn't the whole story. Teams win very few games where they don't score a single goal.

We aren’t going far with this O, just a sad, obvious fact.

 

[DRW204]

They got to the slot much more though. Plus our ES offense wasn't that strong last year, we just had a much more potent PP (3rd in the league in 5 on 4 goals) which masked a lot of issues.

We finished 12th in 5 on 5 GF so right around the middle.

doesn't have to do anything with the fact that WPG dumped and chased roughly the same amount as some of the elite offenses. perhaps if Laine can score some 5v5 goals we'd be better at 5v5 GF

edit - the team you keep citing (Boston) finished with less 5v5 goals than WPG, btw

 

[LowLefty]

That's not what you thought in the GDT:

You need to consider the situation or what I was responding to -
I know you don't do that but it makes it difficult to discuss anything.

He had a bad night because his biggest weapon (his shot) was off, way off.
I didn't personally comment on the rest of his game which was good BTW - I replied to a poster that stated he was not getting enough "opportunity" - 8 shots says otherwise.

I was commenting on his shot - it was not good - and for a guy like Laine, that makes for a bad game regardless of all the great stuff he was doing without the puck.

I'm concerned about his shot -

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I have a suggestion. Call up Sami freaking Niku.

There no longer needs to be the hesitation to change a winning lineup.

 

[Atoyot]

Am I the only one that thought Poolman played pretty well last night? At least offensively he was activating and skating better than he usually does.

 

[DRW204]

Am I the only one that thought Poolman played pretty well last night? At least offensively he was activating and skating better than he usually does.

i think he's pretty steady most nights, asides from that line change on the Mack breakway goal

 

[surixon]

Am I the only one that thought Poolman played pretty well last night? At least offensively he was activating and skating better than he usually does.

He was the direct cause of two grade A chances against. He also panics anytime he has the puck in our end and is under pressure.

Yeah offensively he looked ok but you can't turn the puck over into our slot nor give MacKinnon a clear cut breakaway.

 

[BoneDocUK]

 

[ffh]

There no longer needs to be the hesitation to change a winning lineup.

You think he hasn't been called up cause they didn't want to change a winning line up. That's not why he isnt here.

 

[PaperRockChamp]

Only from watching at the Arena

Connor and Laine were creating the most individually and together. They have chemistry. Ehlers was good. I was disappointed in Scheifele.. seems mental and not physical.
Noticed something weird but early in the game, they showed Scheifs OT winner on the Jumbotron and copying Laine's celly.. and I glanced across to the bench to see if they would laugh or anything and Perreault turned and made a comment and shook his head.. kind of weird looked like he was throwing shade.

Beaulieu stood out to me which is a bit scary... looked good enough and don't mind him in the top 6.

Wheeler is lost. I lobbied for a longer leash with him but that was 10 games ago and he kills more plays than he creates these days.

I saw 2 different guys snoozing in the lower bowl in the 2nd. Lol.

All in all, last night's game was a zero-intensity shinny match. Hockey seems to be losing something.

Glad I got to see Mack live.

 

[ffh]

All this tells me is we need a new gm.

 

[pucka lucka]

The same data driven system that the Boston Bruins (Stanley cup finalists) offense uses. It a system that is built around seam passes and making the goalie move. Start crafting a dangerous layered rush system that utilizes a lot of seam passes. Allow our players to pass into the slot with regularity. Right now we cycle on the perimeter and pass to the point.

Go listan to Maurices interview from a few days ago. He clearly outlines how he wants the team to play in the offensive zone. He stated his preference for point shot driven offense and states his apprehension towards seam passes due to the potential risk of it coming back the other way quickly. It should be pretty clear that the coach wants a low risk low event offensive system that minimizes the risk of turnovers.

It's a poor use of our forward talent if you ask me.

It's a risk aversion/misguided job preservation system.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You think he hasn't been called up cause they didn't want to change a winning line up. That's not why he isnt here.

Yes, I know. But that excuse is now gone, isn't it.

 

[Ducky10]

While true it isn't the whole story. Teams win very few games where they don't score a single goal.

We aren’t going far with this O, just a sad, obvious fact.

I have more faith in the offensive side finding their game than I do the D ever finding theirs. While the offensive plan and execution has been abysmal, at least part of it is affected by the D and the overall D zone scheme. Our transition game is horrific for a team with so much speed up front. Colorado had no problem gapping up and pressuring the Jets at their blue line and often at the red line, they took away space quickly and much of it had to do with how deep the Jets start their attack from, as well as how slowly it gets going.
When I talk about the D, I’m not just talking about the goals against and the chances they give up, although make no mistake, that’s a problem as well.

 

[Tommigun]

Yeah why are people calling for trading Laine after that game?

I thought it was one of his best games ever. Not his fault the team lost.