Post-Game Talk: Jets crown a new Vezina King 4-0 loss

[Gm0ney]

All this tells me is we need a new gm.

4 regulation wins is on the coach.
Bottom 10 powerplay is on the coach.
Bottom 5 penalty kill is on the coach.
It's all familiar territory for the coach with the most losses in NHL history, I suppose...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We are gonna lose some games this season , we are 10-8-1 not great but not trade everyone and start all over bad either . I think we make the playoffs and if we get a healthy Buff back , say in January , we become a much better team . Buff in and one of our defenseman that's starting right now out , makes for a way better team .

Don't hold your breath hoping for Buff.

With a healthy Buff, do we suddenly recall how to score goals?

 

[surixon]

I have more faith in the offensive side finding their game than I do the D ever finding theirs. While the offensive plan and execution has been abysmal, at least part of it is affected by the D and the overall D zone scheme. Our transition game is horrific for a team with so much speed up front. Colorado had no problem gapping up and pressuring the Jets at their blue line and often at the red line, they took away space quickly and much of it had to do with how deep the Jets start their attack from, as well as how slowly it gets going.
When I talk about the D, I’m not just talking about the goals against and the chances they give up, although make no mistake, that’s a problem as well.

It's the Maurice way, need to have everyone behind the puck when we breakout to combat the risk of an odd man rush against.

 

[surixon]

4 regulation wins is on the coach.
Bottom 10 powerplay is on the coach.
Bottom 5 penalty kill is on the coach.
It's all familiar territory for the coach with the most losses in NHL history, I suppose...

This team has regressed accross the board for two straight years now. I have no idea how management and ownership deems this acceptable.

 

[jepjepjoo]

4 regulation wins is on the coach.
Bottom 10 powerplay is on the coach.
Bottom 5 penalty kill is on the coach.
It's all familiar territory for the coach with the most losses in NHL history, I suppose...

Teams with less regulation wins = 1 Columbus

Worse PP = 8

Worse PK = 2 Kings and Red Wings

 

[Tommigun]

Only from watching at the Arena

Connor and Laine were creating the most individually and together. They have chemistry. Ehlers was good. I was disappointed in Scheifele.. seems mental and not physical.
Noticed something weird but early in the game, they showed Scheifs OT winner on the Jumbotron and copying Laine's celly.. and I glanced across to the bench to see if they would laugh or anything and Perreault turned and made a comment and shook his head.. kind of weird looked like he was throwing shade.

Beaulieu stood out to me which is a bit scary... looked good enough and don't mind him in the top 6.

Wheeler is lost. I lobbied for a longer leash with him but that was 10 games ago and he kills more plays than he creates these days.

I saw 2 different guys snoozing in the lower bowl in the 2nd. Lol.

All in all, last night's game was a zero-intensity shinny match. Hockey seems to be losing something.

Glad I got to see Mack live.

Do you mean Perreault shaking his head being connected to the celly from the previous game somehow? And who do you mean Perreault was throwing shade at? I am confused.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The "coach" has nothing to do with Laine forgetting how to put a little zip into his shots - that is all my post was about.
Eight shots and nothing that looked like it gave this rookie goal tender any trouble what so ever.
He needs to get his shot going - regardless of how well he is playing over all.

But, TBH, I'm not surprised that the "coach" is blamed - it's an easy way to slide over the shortfalls.
Laine played a good solid game but his shot is not what it used to be - he needs to get it back on track.

The coach is the one factor that affects ALL the players.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Yeah why are people calling for trading Laine after that game?

I thought it was one of his best games ever. Not his fault the team lost.

Now, if only he could score.

 

[ffh]

4 regulation wins is on the coach.
Bottom 10 powerplay is on the coach.
Bottom 5 penalty kill is on the coach.
It's all familiar territory for the coach with the most losses in NHL history, I suppose...

When maurice had skill 2 years ago through out the line up we were tops in the league in all of these. Somewhat the same pp but cant blame maurice for laine forgetting how to score on pp with the same looks he had in years past. And when you start coaching at 29 you will accumulate lots of wins and losses as apposed to 40 like most new coaches n the league. This is on Chevy on his insistence that we were good enough at the beginning of the year.

 

[Jets 31]

Do you mean Perreault shaking his head being connected to the celly from the previous game somehow? And who do you mean Perreault was throwing shade at? I am confused.

I think he means Perreault was shaking his head at Scheif's celebration , possibly leaning in to the player beside him and saying , what a goof . Let's start some more rumours .

 

[GNP]

It doesn't matter how a player looks when his playing. Since Laine is a long player and plays with a long stick, he may appear slow to you. Now, if you compare his stickhandling to Wheeler he looks like a magician with the puck. He has also improved his positional play and uses his size to make plays that neither Connor or Ehlers are able to pull off because of their physical limitations. There is not one single "star" quality that is more important than others, except how much you impact the game overall. In that regard Laine has the highest ceiling as a game breaker. It might make sense for the Jets to trade him at some point, but only if the trade fills several other needs on key positions. Laine is the most valuable asset that the Jets org has when his next contract runs out.

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You make some real good points here Patty, and because Laine is so highly regarded, we could get an excellent return for him, and help out the club. I really don't think we absolutely need a pure goal scorer, but we do need some defensive pieces and another center --and Laine would bring in a nice return. In my mind he hasn't proven himself yet --like a MacKinnon type of player, that he was supposed to be. He doesn't dominate or control the play either, so I would trade him if the return was right to add balance to the club, that is not good on the back end. I wouldn't give him away, but if the right couple players were offered, I'd likely make the deal as a GM. If Laine had the speed of a Selanne, Ehlers, or Connor -- I wouldn't trade him -- but he looks like a limited player to me.

Just my opinion here --and I know many would strongly disagree with me on Laine.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The same data driven system that the Boston Bruins (Stanley cup finalists) offense uses. It a system that is built around seam passes and making the goalie move. Start crafting a dangerous layered rush system that utilizes a lot of seam passes. Allow our players to pass into the slot with regularity. Right now we cycle on the perimeter and pass to the point.

Go listan to Maurices interview from a few days ago. He clearly outlines how he wants the team to play in the offensive zone. He stated his preference for point shot driven offense and states his apprehension towards seam passes due to the potential risk of it coming back the other way quickly. It should be pretty clear that the coach wants a low risk low event offensive system that minimizes the risk of turnovers.

It's a poor use of our forward talent if you ask me.

Shouldn't an offensive system that relies on the point shot also rely on bodies in front screening the goalie and looking for tip-ins/deflections?

 

[Tommigun]

I think he means Perreault was shaking his head at Scheif's celebration , possibly leaning in to the player beside him and saying , what a goof . Let's start some more rumours .

Oh thanks, I reread it and they showed a replay, makes sense now. I missed that part the first time I read it

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I have more faith in the offensive side finding their game than I do the D ever finding theirs. While the offensive plan and execution has been abysmal, at least part of it is affected by the D and the overall D zone scheme. Our transition game is horrific for a team with so much speed up front. Colorado had no problem gapping up and pressuring the Jets at their blue line and often at the red line, they took away space quickly and much of it had to do with how deep the Jets start their attack from, as well as how slowly it gets going.
When I talk about the D, I’m not just talking about the goals against and the chances they give up, although make no mistake, that’s a problem as well.

I don't think it is as simple as the O finding their game. I think the problem is the complete Jets game, except Helle most games so far.

 

[LowLefty]

The coach is the one factor that affects ALL the players.

In every aspect of their game?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

In every aspect of their game?

Nope. But he has an affect of some kind on every player. Was every player bad in every aspect of their game? That would be a bit extreme.

 

[Jets 31]

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You make some real good points here Patty, and because Laine is so highly regarded, we could get an excellent return for him, and help out the club. I really don't think we absolutely need a pure goal scorer, but we do need some defensive pieces and another center --and Laine would bring in a nice return. In my mind he hasn't proven himself yet --like a MacKinnon type of player, that he was supposed to be. He doesn't dominate or control the play either, so I would trade him if the return was right to add balance to the club, that is not good on the back end. I wouldn't give him away, but if the right couple players were offered, I'd likely make the deal as a GM. If Laine had the speed of a Sellane, Ehlers, or Connor -- I wouldn't trade him -- but he looks like a limited player to me.

Just my opinion here --and I know many would strongly disagree with me on Laine.

When you spell Selanne wrong on a Winnipeg Jets board you lose some credibility instantly .

 

[surixon]

Shouldn't an offensive system that relies on the point shot also rely on bodies in front screening the goalie and looking for tip-ins/deflections?

Yup. Only the third line regularly gets infront of the net. Our top 6 doesnt though.

 

[GNP]

Ok, so the bold below does not advocate trading him? Never mind the rest of it that says he's overrated and does not do what "stars" do. I guess end of the day you don't see it and I do...agree to disagree.

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@FFHockey -- I really wish I could be as sold on Laine as you are, but I get a bad gut feeling about him, and his potential. I think he'll be a great goal scorer --"hopefully"-- but the rest of his game --I'm not sold. I hope I'm wrong for the Jet's sake.

 

[LowLefty]

Nope. But he has an affect of some kind on every player. Was every player bad in every aspect of their game? That would be a bit extreme.

It also spells out a problem when you don't identify the issue when pointing out a problem.
The coach and his decisions may impact every player - but's important to know what exactly the impact may be -
With the issue I brought up, I don't think it's coaching -

 

[GNP]

When you spell Selanne wrong on a Winnipeg Jets board you lose some credibility instantly .

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I like your post --your a sharpy I better go back and correct it-- don't want to bring any more shame on myself on these Jet's forums.

 

[Howard Chuck]

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You make some real good points here Patty, and because Laine is so highly regarded, we could get an excellent return for him, and help out the club. I really don't think we absolutely need a pure goal scorer, but we do need some defensive pieces and another center --and Laine would bring in a nice return. In my mind he hasn't proven himself yet --like a MacKinnon type of player, that he was supposed to be. He doesn't dominate or control the play either, so I would trade him if the return was right to add balance to the club, that is not good on the back end. I wouldn't give him away, but if the right couple players were offered, I'd likely make the deal as a GM. If Laine had the speed of a Sellane, Ehlers, or Connor -- I wouldn't trade him -- but he looks like a limited player to me.

Just my opinion here --and I know many would strongly disagree with me on Laine.

I wonder how Laine will be at Mac's age in 3 years? I don't think it's wise to bail on a 21 year old playing like Laine is playing. Mac was getting about 50 points per season before last year.

 

[Howard Chuck]

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@FFHockey -- I really wish I could be as sold on Laine as you are, but I get a bad gut feeling about him, and his potential. I think he'll be a great goal scorer --"hopefully"-- but the rest of his game --I'm not sold. I hope I'm wrong for the Jet's sake.

Then you must have very serious reservations about every other player on the team who isn't playing as well as Laine is.

 

[kanadalainen]

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You make some real good points here Patty, and because Laine is so highly regarded, we could get an excellent return for him, and help out the club. I really don't think we absolutely need a pure goal scorer, but we do need some defensive pieces and another center --and Laine would bring in a nice return. In my mind he hasn't proven himself yet --like a MacKinnon type of player, that he was supposed to be. He doesn't dominate or control the play either, so I would trade him if the return was right to add balance to the club, that is not good on the back end. I wouldn't give him away, but if the right couple players were offered, I'd likely make the deal as a GM. If Laine had the speed of a Sellane, Ehlers, or Connor -- I wouldn't trade him -- but he looks like a limited player to me.

Just my opinion here --and I know many would strongly disagree with me on Laine.

Fair enough, GNP. My overarching concern is that at this point in (Jets) history, returns on such a trade stands a good chance of not meeting expectations, especially with this team on the bubble, such as it is. IMHO the suggestion of a trade involving one of our best young players with enormous potential smacks of desperation.

It would be an interesting exercise to assess the results of the NHL's biggest trades in detail, addressed from both sides.

 

[Jets 31]

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I like your post --your a sharpy

I've been called alot worster than that , that's for sure .