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Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

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If PLD does in fact have a list of non-Montreal teams as has been reported (although ignored by Habs fans lol) and Boston is on it AND it is true that WPG is looking for a hockey deal…

Bruins have Carlo, DeBrusk and Swayman who will have no trade protection before July 1st. DeBrusk is from Alberta and Swayman from Alaska. Don’t think the WPG weather would concern them. And Carlo is signed long term.

Not sure what offer to make, especially without being sure if WPG would be looking for a Helly replacement, but I do think Boston could be swooping in on this.
 
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Rant below:

f*** this team, man. Been a fan since they came back. The issues with this dumpster fire comes from the top. Same BS excuses you hear from players is regurgitated by the GM.

As a GM, you own everything. Under his tenure, it’s a laundry list of first rounders that are leaving/forcing their way out:

Kane
Bogosian
Trouba
Roslovic
Laine
Stanely(requested trade)
Vesalainen(bit of a bust but still left)
Heinola(request made)

This franchise needs to wake up and make a change at the top. I do NOT trust Chevy to navigate this and he candidly doesn’t deserve 12 years of rope to work with.

Take the absolute best offers you can. If they’re futures? Tear it down, rebuild it.
 
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BB88 said:
That would be a terrible choice.

Jets are going to end up in no man’s land.
Not good enough to compete, not bad enough to draft franchise talent



Hope is easier to sell than mediocrity with limited ceiling
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Yeah, if they just bring the same players back and don't tweak it.

Let Wheeler go and use that money elsewhere, change up the look.

I think with the Jets having 4 good players that could be gone by next seasons, they lost focus.

They can't sell some and keep others. It's either bring them all back minus Wheeler unless he's coming back for cheap, which I doubt, or move them all out.
 
wintersej said:
If PLD does in fact have a list of non-Montreal teams as has been reported (although ignored by Habs fans lol) and Boston is on it AND it is true that WPG is looking for a hockey deal…

Bruins have Carlo, DeBrusk and Swayman who will have no trade protection before July 1st. DeBrusk is from Alberta and Swayman from Alaska. Don’t think the WPG weather would concern them. And Carlo is signed long term.

Not sure what offer to make, especially without being sure if WPG would be looking for a Helly replacement, but I do think Boston could be swooping in on this.
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It’s never been ignored by habs fans, what has been ignored is the idea that because he has non Montreal teams that we need to give up a young piece Ala Suzuki or dach while rebuilding to get a guy who will be a ufa in a year. The consistent offer has been dvorak or Anderson, fla 1st + b tier d prospect. If another team beats that let them
 
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GaryPoppins said:


Rant below:

f*** this team, man. Been a fan since they came back. The issues with this dumpster fire comes from the top. Same BS excuses you hear from players is regurgitated by the GM.

As a GM, you own everything. Under his tenure, it’s a laundry list of first rounders that are leaving/forcing their way out:

Kane
Bogosian
Trouba
Roslovic
Laine
Stanely(requested trade)
Vesalainen(bit of a bust but still left)
Heinola(request made)

This franchise needs to wake up and make a change at the top. I do NOT trust Chevy to navigate this and he candidly doesn’t deserve 12 years of rope to work with.

Take the absolute best offers you can. If they’re futures? Tear it down, rebuild it.
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I don't think the GM is the problem. Its the geography and environment that's the problem. Its a challenge to make Wpg a desired location for rich NHL players.

You can't pin that on Chevy.
 
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tbcwpg said:
No it's not. Especially to a business community.

We'll see, if the Jets do end up rebuilding in the traditional sense, sales are not going up. Plus that process is going to take minimum 5 years before there's any hope of the playoffs, likely it's 2030 before playoffs are a possibility.

You're not selling businesses on being a bad team for almost a decade. You might be able to sell them on playoff races and some potential playoff games.

It's not ultimately the best way to run a team from a hockey sense but pro sports are a business.
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I hear this all the time as the excuse.

Young elite talent brings excitement and sella hope, it’s easy to get the fans buy in.

What’s not easy is ro create excitement around a bad team with limited ceiling, just ending up in longer, darker rebuild.


Rough years ahead in Winnipeg.

No team trading for Helle/PLD/Scheifele are going to be willing to give up quality roster players in return, they’ll lose every trade in value.
 
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Jets have been in this zone for a few years IMO...just not good enough but still trying to make the playoffs...trading away draft picks for help now...

Time to change things up. Jets only have 5 picks this year (no 2nd). No 2nd next year.

They SHOULD be seeking picks and young talent. I dont trust Chevy/Chipman to do it though.
 
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Jets fans must be the most biased fan base in the NHL I have no clue what they think Helly is worth. If I’m the Jets I’d 100% do something around Samsonov and Helly

Nylander, Knies, Samsonov and a future 1st for Helly

That’s a deal I take and run if I’m Winnipeg
 
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gojetsgo said:
not when we already have a bunch of small left handed d-men
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I count 2 with Morrisey & Schmidt. 3 if we're assuming Heinola is ready to make the jump. I would say they would do what they could to move Schmidt but I see your point. I'm not saying they should make this trade, but they also shouldn't go in this direction. Just going off of what Friedman said.

I see Newhook's name has been brought up, he would work too. I think Schiefele is an Av before September
 
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BB88 said:
I hear this all the time as the excuse.

Young elite talent brings excitement and sella hope, it’s easy to get the fans buy in.

What’s not easy is ro create excitement around a bad team with limited ceiling, just ending up in longer, darker rebuild.


Rough years ahead in Winnipeg.

No team trading for Helle/PLD/Scheifele are going to be willing to give up quality roster players in return, they’ll lose every trade in value.
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I don’t know why you think that a FL-CGY type trade couldn’t happen with WPG.
 
wintersej said:
I don’t know why you think that a FL-CGY type trade couldn’t happen with WPG.
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I think a trade that makes both teams 20 points worse with one being lucky to backdoor into the playoffs would be great for the rest of the league, so I support this.
 
BB88 said:
I hear this all the time as the excuse.

Young elite talent brings excitement and sella hope, it’s easy to get the fans buy in.

What’s not easy is ro create excitement around a bad team with limited ceiling, just ending up in longer, darker rebuild.


Rough years ahead in Winnipeg.

No team trading for Helle/PLD/Scheifele are going to be willing to give up quality roster players in return, they’ll lose every trade in value.
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Well, the Jets don't have any young, elite talent and I don't believe they're bad enough to be a true tank.

Also you're comparing two different things here. One is getting the fans on board for rebuilding. I think that wouldn't be too hard. I don't think that translates to ticket sales and especially not season ticket renewals. If the goal is to get business to spend on season tickets, good luck doing that with a 20-25 win team, no matter how on board they are with rebuilding.
 
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If they won't re-sign, they have to be traded. Can't Columbus this situation. Would be a disaster.

They don't want just picks and/or prospects, they'd prefer NHL players with team control. This was known long before Friedman reported it lol.

They're not "rebuilding", because they're not planning to ship out Morrissey, Lowry, Ehlers and Connor on top. But it's basically a mini rebuild
 
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BB88 said:
That would be a terrible choice.

Jets are going to end up in no man’s land.
Not good enough to compete, not bad enough to draft franchise talent



Hope is easier to sell than mediocrity with limited ceiling
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What the Jets want to do vs what they can do are 2 different things.

Winnipeg is at the very top of the vast majority of player's No Trade list, so they are unlikely to be able to execute a Tkachuck for Huberdeau type of transaction where they get an established productive NHLer.

To obtain a legit NHL roster player in return, you're mostly getting a RFA who has no control yet or a non top line level player in their UFA years, such as a Toffoli as part of the return. Not getting players of equal talent.

The Jet's window to win will always be smaller than a lot of other team's simply because they are Winnipeg. So, they should be an organizaiton that pushes in when they have their windows and then rebuilding after it. Jets window has come and gone. It should have been open from 2018, but within around a 2 year period lost their entire veteran RHD of their roster. Now as key players approach UFA, they have to make the hard decision of what to do next. They can't lose players for nothing. So, they have to move their assets.
 
MardyBum said:
If they won't re-sign, they have to be traded. Can't Columbus this situation. Would be a disaster.

They don't want just picks and/or prospects, they'd prefer NHL players with team control. This was known long before Friedman reported it lol.

They're not "rebuilding", because they're not planning to ship out Morrissey, Lowry, Ehlers and Connor on top. But it's basically a mini rebuild
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The fact of the matter is the fans and players aren't dumb. If we are trading our 1C, 2C and Franchise goalie we are in fact rebuilding despite pretending we aren't.
 
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Genuinely surprised some are surprised by this report, based on many of the comments and interviews on bag day and season wrap up interviews it was pretty clear the team wasn’t rebuilding…….I mean did people ignore those interviews?

Few comments from me:

- Clearly restructuring was the first choice post season so no one should be surprised here.

- While restructuring is the desire, it will still depend on returns offered, if the best they get is the old 3rd line cap dump and dime a dozen prospect for guys restructuring is out no matter what the team thinks or wants.

- Big part of the Friedman quote was not included, he also said he fully expects futures to be included in the returns. So the roster player might be the minor piece and the futures is the major piece. TBD in the end

- Jets will be targeting under used younger players or guys buried on deep teams as a return and give them much bigger roles on the Jets hoping to find that gem.

- While most Jets fans would have preferred a full rebuild I suspect, this might turn out ok still depending how Chevy does. Jets have drafted well in the macro, they’ve never rebuilt since returning to the Peg and have done decently developing guys.
 
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Daximus said:
The fact of the matter is the fans and players aren't dumb. If we are trading our 1C, 2C and Franchise goalie we are in fact rebuilding despite pretending we aren't.
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Of course, just semantics. They want to try and be competitive again ASAP instead of Montrealing it. I disagree with it, but much better that then letting any of the 3 walk to UFA for some inane "go for it" season.
 
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