Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

[Daximus]

Yeah, as a Jets fan I can confirm this isn't happening.

Jets need to rebuild and trade for pieces to build up with. I'm talking draft picks and prospects. Or to more pieces Winnipeg's way, cap dump.

So its your word vs Friedman who has likely actually talked to someone in the org. Dont delude yourself into thinking they will actually rebuild.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Watch MTL unload some garbage in the PLD deal

 

[Guffman]

Watch MTL unload some garbage in the PLD deal

Sorry, we don’t have the cap to take 20 of your players.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Olofsson+Jokiharju+2nd

For

Helly+Demelo.

 

[Hodge]

Olofsson+Jokiharju+2nd

For

Helly+Demelo.

That's a fair return for Demelo but I think you forgot to include what the Sabres are giving up to get Hellebuyck.

 

[WatchfulElm]

Watch MTL unload some garbage in the PLD deal

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Don't let this trade talk convince you that Chevy isn't running back the exact same team next year. Scheif & Helle on their last contract years, and PLD will accept his QO to go UFA the year after. It's happening, believe it.

 

[Daximus]

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

I think hes likely dealt at the draft. Either to MTL and if not to whichever other team wants a top 6 C for a Cup run.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

That's a fair return for Demelo but I think you forgot to include what the Sabres are giving up to get Hellebuyck.

Does a 1st make it fair? I suck at valuing these things- he needs a new deal, feels like teams largely wont be in a position to give up much more than that for 1 year.

 

[Daximus]

Almost seems like they are peddling hope instead of reality. The issues with the core require shuffling out and if some of that is for unproven, then so be it.

The thing is rebuilding peddles more hope than whatever the hell this team will look like down 2 top 6 Cs and their #1 goalie.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

So PLD will accept a $2 million pay cut to remain in Winnipeg anyway, so that he can accept a $8+ million long-term pay cut despite becoming a UFA. Got it.

 

[Heldig]

TO WIN:
- Tavares
- Robertson
- Samsonov

TO TOR:
- Scheifele
- Helle

That is awful for Winnipeg. Soooooooooo bad.

Olofsson+Jokiharju+2nd

For

Helly+Demelo.

Starts with your 1st. Or Kulich or Savoie.

 

[heretik27]

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

I'm not well versed in the contract rules of NHL players, but I was noticing he had a 6M x 1 year qualifying offer listed under the contract he signed for 2021 and 2022 seasons (Capfriendly), and then a qualifying offer again of 6M x 1 year for the 2023 season. Wouldn't PLD's qualifying offer be far higher than the 4.2M offer sheet you're proposing? And wouldn't these actions only be out of spite to Winnipeg? I just can't see the likelihood of it happening if I'm interpreting the situation listed on Capfriendly correctly.

Found this in a link

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

That is awful for Winnipeg. Soooooooooo bad.


Starts with your 1st. Or Kulich or Savoie.

Ok, I actually originally had a 1st in there. 1st, 2nd, Olofsson, Jokiharju for Helly and Demelo. Deal?

The problem from Buffalo’s perspective is the re-signing, and the fact that if Levi really is the shit then they don’t need Helly. Still, that’s not your problem to solve, and a 1st for a season of Helly hurts but feels fair.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I'm not well versed in the contract rules of NHL players, but I was noticing he had a 6M x 1 year qualifying offer listed under the contract he signed for 2021 and 2022 seasons (Capfriendly), and then a qualifying offer again of 6M x 1 year for the 2023 season. Wouldn't PLD's qualifying offer be far higher than the 4.2M offer sheet you're proposing? And wouldn't these actions only be out of spite to Winnipeg? I just can't see the likelihood of it happening if I'm interpreting the situation listed on Capfriendly correctly.

You're exactly right, which is why the offer sheet suggestion is laughable. Anybody who legitimately suggests that as a likely avenue in this situation is an idiot. It's nothing but a $2m pay cut, and Pat Brisson deals with so many players and GMs, and wouldn't sour a professional relationship to pursue that trash.

 

[heretik27]

No, you're right, which is why the offer sheet suggestion is laughable. Anybody who legitimately suggests that as a likely avenue in this situation is an idiot. It's nothing but a $2m pay cut, and Pat Brisson deals with so many players and GMs, and wouldn't sour a professional relationship to pursue that trash.

Sounds like some NHL video game be a GM mode type of wishful thinking to me then lol

 

[WatchfulElm]

I'm not well versed in the contract rules of NHL players, but I was noticing he had a 6M x 1 year qualifying offer listed under the contract he signed for 2021 and 2022 seasons (Capfriendly), and then a qualifying offer again of 6M x 1 year for the 2023 season. Wouldn't PLD's qualifying offer be far higher than the 4.2M offer sheet you're proposing? And wouldn't these actions only be out of spite to Winnipeg? I just can't see the likelihood of it happening if I'm interpreting the situation listed on Capfriendly correctly.

Found this in a link

Yeah I think for my scenario to be realistic, the offer sheet needs to be in the next bracket, at $6,4M. The compensation then becomes a 1st and a 3rd. Which make it easier for the Jets to let him go, or raises PLD's value in a "forced trade scenario" with the Habs.

 

[pth2]

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

For this to work, Montreal would need to trade with Phoenix to get their 2024 2nd rounder back, since that's the one needed for that offer sheet to work.

And I don't see PLD as being in any hurry to want to sign that offer sheet, for a pay cut, unless Montreal near-guarantees him to sign him in the summer of 2024. Which would be against the rules, to boot.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

0% chance PLD would entertain this idea

 

[ffh]

Not news. He could have reported this last year.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Newhook + Pick #27 from Colorado for one of Scheifele/Dubois at the draft feels like a trade that makes a lot of sense for both sides, at least as the baseline of a deal. Perhaps a piece or two added from either side to balance things out more depending on which player it is the Avs end up getting.

Newhook is a young NHL player and a Center which no doubt is something the Jets are gonna be looking for if they trade one or both of the Top 6 centers they currently have.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Newhook + Pick #27 from Colorado for one of Scheifele/Dubois at the draft feels like a trade that makes a lot of sense for both sides, at least as the baseline of a deal. Perhaps a piece or two added from either side to balance things out more depending on which player it is the Avs end up getting.

Newhook is a young NHL player and a Center which no doubt is something the Jets are gonna be looking for if they trade one or both of the Top 6 centers they currently have.

This offer is likely still the frontrunner for Jets fans too, unless some GM goes nuts at the draft and trades the farm. We have Perfetti who can likely do 2C, plus Lucius & McGroarty in the pipeline. It might be a rough couple of years until everyone is ready to go, but it's a good young core to build around.

 

[Andreas Ferrari]

How long is Winnipeg going to keep running back the same shit that doesnt work

Since 1967?

 

[Whileee]

Or my favorite scenario, if PLD truly wants to play for the Habs :

1- Sign an offer sheet. A 1 year contract at $4,2M.
2- Jets can easily match, but then they cannot trade him during the whole year and lose him for nothing at the end of the season. So they are basically forced to let him go and take the compensation (2nd round pick).
3- PLD then signs an 8 years extension with the Habs at $8M per year.

But knowing this is about to unfold, the Habs can probably force a trade with the Jets at a very cheap price. Something like Christian Dvorak + Jayden Struble + 2nd round pick.

Or, you know, the Jets trade Dubois to one of several other contending teams that would like Dubois for next season.

If Dubois doesn't re-sign with Winnipeg he'll be traded to the highest bidder before he gets a chance to look at an offer sheet.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

This offer is likely still the frontrunner for Jets fans too, unless some GM goes nuts at the draft and trades the farm. We have Perfetti who can likely do 2C, plus Lucius & McGroarty in the pipeline. It might be a rough couple of years until everyone is ready to go, but it's a good young core to build around.

Yeah... I think Newhook can still be a good player. He's had a bit of a disappointing sophomore season, but ultimately he's still only 22 years old with almost 200 games of NHL experience already and has proven to be at least a ~13-15 Goal, ~30-35 point guy at least.

My guess on his next contract is likely a bridge deal in the neighborhood of 2x$2M. I dont think he's a Center long term but I do think he can become a pretty solid Top 6 winger, the type that an chip in ~25 Goals and ~60 points a season.


In terms of a trade... I think for Scheifele, Newhook + #27 is pretty fair value as is. If the Jets are open to retention on Scheifele I could see the Avs adding another piece to get some retention of Scheifele to give them room to make another move as well. If Dubois is the player the Avs target I think pinpointing the value of that trade is a bit more difficult with a few other factors. Is PLD open to an extension with a team that isn't Montreal and if he is willing to sign an extension, what kind of contract is he looking for. Then if he isn't willing to sign long term this summer, is he going to simply sign his QO and go to free agency next summer or will he still be looking for something like a 2 year deal for more then his QO?

There's a lot of factors on Dubois. I think for a PLD that's going to sign his QO of $6M and walk to free agency next summer, Newhook + #27 is plenty fair. But for a Dubois that's open to a long term extension in Colorado, IMO his value would go quite a bit higher then that.