Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I can't wait for PLD to sign somewhere else lol. Reminds me of the Monahan and Edmundson for 1sts threads

Agreed. Habs media is truly among the worst in the league for shit like this.

 

[MardyBum]

The other Jets poster postulated that Dach's point production this season was "average". I merely pointed out that Dach's PPG shows significant progression while PLD's production at the same point was less than a PPG.

All that to say that Buff's points are meaningless. Habs are excited about Dach's potential after what he showed us this season. They will exercise patience and watch him grow into the 2C spot as early as next season. He's perfect for it.


I think Winnipeg suffers from a perception problem. Its a small market with a less than vibrant social life. To any kid in their mid to late 20's, that's a huge red flag on any potential destination. Winnipeg is likely considered a great place to raise a family (so long as you can weather the winters). But that's a hard sell to hockey players. I would say that home born players from the prairies might get it.

This is what you posted :

Dach after completing D+3 seasons was tied for 66th in PPG among all C's. That puts him very close to 2C already.

When PLD completed his D+4 season he amassed 21 pts in 46 games. Not sure how that ranked but i am sure you could look it up!

Dach has a lot of development and production to go. Happy with his progress.

PLD in his draft +4 season had 49p in 70 games. Also had 10 points in 10 playoff games.

In his D+3 he had 61 in 82. In his D+2 he had 48 in 82. You're talking about his D+5 season where he was traded from Columbus to Winnipeg during Covid lockdowns.

Dach's increase in points was mostly PP driven. His 5v5 scoring numbers this year went up slightly but were around Armia and Hoffman levels, better than last year but still below average for a 2C. He also played ~40% of his 5v5 ice time on the wing of Suzuki and Caufield. He's a solid still very young NHLer himself with lots of room to grow.

 

[MXD]

Why would PLD accept a below market value 1 year offersheet? His agent would balk at that in a second.

The 1st + 3rd offer is right around his QO, so it's barely below market value, and I'm pretty sure he'd take more home with a 6.4M/yr deal with Colorado (it just feels like an obvious candidate for this move : I'm not starting a rumor or anything) than a 6,5 deal with Winnipeg.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

This is what you posted :



PLD in his draft +4 season had 49p in 70 games. Also had 10 points in 10 playoff games.

In his D+3 he had 61 in 82. In his D+2 he had 48 in 82. You're talking about his D+5 season where he was traded from Columbus to Winnipeg during Covid lockdowns.

Dach's increase in points was mostly PP driven. His 5v5 scoring numbers this year went up slightly but were around Armia and Hoffman levels, better than last year but still below average for a 2C. He also played ~40% of his 5v5 ice time on the wing of Suzuki and Caufield. He's a solid still very young NHLer himself with lots of room to grow.

I didn't realize PLD played his D+1 in the Q. His D+5 was abysmal then.

What intrigues me with Dach was his play driving ability. He did this with crap wingers from the C position and after Suzuki was our most dangerous forward (after CC was injured).

Very happy with his progress and excited to see what he brings at C next season with some consistent wingers. The injury bug decimated the Habs last season.

 

[Daximus]

This is what you posted :



PLD in his draft +4 season had 49p in 70 games. Also had 10 points in 10 playoff games.

In his D+3 he had 61 in 82. In his D+2 he had 48 in 82. You're talking about his D+5 season where he was traded from Columbus to Winnipeg during Covid lockdowns.

Dach's increase in points was mostly PP driven. His 5v5 scoring numbers this year went up slightly but were around Armia and Hoffman levels, better than last year but still below average for a 2C. He also played ~40% of his 5v5 ice time on the wing of Suzuki and Caufield. He's a solid still very young NHLer himself with lots of room to grow.

But hes not even close to PLDs level yet and everyone here knows it and he may never get there. Habs fans snubbing their nose at a Quebec born top 6 C ready to play for them has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen from a fanbase in my lifetime. All because they hate Winnipeg because of an incident that happened 2 years ago in the bubble.

 

[tornado24]

I don't mind supporting the Jets in Winnipeg as a season-ticket holder, because I think Winnipeg is a better city to live in with the Jets in town.

What I find very irritating is fans that don't spend anything on the Jets but slag season-ticket holders for continuing to support the Jets so that they have a team to gripe about.

I agree 100%. I am also a season ticket holder and nothing annoys me more than Winnipegers who dont buy tickets but do nothing but run their mouth because we all know they would be the first ones to bitch and moan if the city ever lost the team again.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

But hes not even close to PLDs level yet and everyone here knows it and he may never get there. Habs fans snubbing their nose at a Quebec born top 6 C ready to play for them has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen from a fanbase in my lifetime. All because they hate Winnipeg because of an incident that happened 2 years ago in the bubble.

No one is snubbing their nose or hating Winnipeg. Why would anyone hate Winnipeg? We feel sorry for Winnipeg. lol

Below is the rationale behind why there is not impetus to trading for PLD (from a Winnipeg fan who took the time to understand the other side):

If I was the Habs GM, I don’t make an offer. Team is rebuilding and I wouldn’t give up the trade compensation required that the Jets could get elsewhere. I would stick with Suzuki and see how Dach progreses. I might even use my 5OA on a center.

I would tell Dubois’ agent that we would be interested in signing him in the following offseason and then leave it up to Dubois to see if he would wait (play 1 year with a contender and THEN sign a long-term contract - maybe not a bad idead since the salary cap will actually move substantially the next offseason). Of course, this is a risk since Dubois may just sign long-term with another team (either this offseason, or if he is a rental, maybe he extends with the rental team).

 

[AvroArrow]

So Toronto gets the best players in the deal
And the Winnipeg Jets get the worst

Where do they sign?

Acting like Helle doesn't have only 1 year left, also Scheif has no heart no thanks.

 

[Daximus]

No one is snubbing their nose or hating Winnipeg. Why would anyone hate Winnipeg? We feel sorry for Winnipeg. lol

Below is the rationale behind why there is not impetus to trading for PLD (from a Winnipeg fan who took the time to understand the other side):

If I was the Habs GM, I don’t make an offer. Team is rebuilding and I wouldn’t give up the trade compensation required that the Jets could get elsewhere. I would stick with Suzuki and see how Dach progreses. I might even use my 5OA on a center.

I would tell Dubois’ agent that we would be interested in signing him in the following offseason and then leave it up to Dubois to see if he would wait (play 1 year with a contender and THEN sign a long-term contract - maybe not a bad idead since the salary cap will actually move substantially the next offseason). Of course, this is a risk since Dubois may just sign long-term with another team (either this offseason, or if he is a rental, maybe he extends with the rental team).

Thats all well and good except your GM can't even phone his agent legally until July 1st. So if that is happening then there is a serious breach of the CBA happening.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Thats all well and good except your GM can't even phone his agent legally until July 1st. So if that is happening then there is a serious breach of the CBA happening.

well ok then. lol

 

[Daximus]

Acting like Helle doesn't have only 1 year left, also Scheif has no heart no thanks.

Helle would likely sign today with Toronto if you guys didn't have 90% of your cap locked up 4 players..

 

[Whileee]

Everything is staring to make sense with how things unfolded last season. Habs made their play after missing out on PLD with the Dach trade and were fortunate in Dach's progression last season.

It will be interesting to see what the offers are from other teams for PLD. In the case of win-now players vs futures, it really opens up the market for all contenders to bid on PLD with win-now players in return..


I find it interesting how few Jets fans get it...

I think trades for PLD need to pivot away from the likes of 1st + Newhook and Dvorak + Mesar etc.... to:

Win-Now player(s) for PLD.

I could see the Jets trading for a lesser young player and futures (pick and/or prospects) like they did with Trouba.

For PLD, maybe something like Frederic and a good prospect or a future first. Let the Bruins try to persuade PLD to stay as their #1C.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Drouin is beyond what I would cal a 'pending UFA'. Scheifele, Dubois, Helle are going to be pending UFAs. Drouin is as good as a UFA already.

But that was not a serious offer anyway.



With the right additions.
Just like a deal around Kerfoot would work.

If you would like to make a deal around Kerfoots rights I’d do

Helly for Kerfoot, Knies, Boston 1st and 2024 1st

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I could see the Jets trading for a lesser young player and futures (pick and/or prospects) like they did with Trouba.

For PLD, maybe something like Frederic and a good prospect or a future first. Let the Bruins try to persuade PLD to stay as their #1C.

Bruins don't have any good prospects and unless Patrice Bergeron retires (unlikely), they don't have capspace for PLD. And i don't think Frederic has top-6 potential.

Jets can do a lot better than that.

If you would like to make a deal around Kerfoots rights I’d do

Helly for Kerfoot, Knies, Boston 1st and 2024 1st

LOL, that was funny!

 

[Whileee]

Bruins don't have any good prospects and unless Patrice Bergeron retires (unlikely), they don't have capspace for PLD. And i don't think Frederic has top-6 potential.

Jets can do a lot better than that.


LOL, that was funny!

I think Frederic is underrated, and the Jets could take a contract to make the cap work. The Jets could focus on the 2025 1st, or maybe Lysell and another pick.

If the Bruins really like PLD, maybe they'd offer up Debrusk or Zacha, along with futures.

In any case, I agree that the Jets will get good interest from some contending teams. PLD is young, so if a team can arrange a contract extension the trade value goes up.

I still wouldn't rule out the Jets trading Scheifele and giving Dubois an offer height have a hard time turning down.

 

[Guffman]

I think that way of thinking is in the past now. Danault was let go because the Habs didn't want to beat the offer L.A gave him.

I think the only requirement now is having a coach (and GM) that is bilingual.

Time will tell.

Speaking of home-grown players, any interest in Edmundson? A good ol Manitoba boy. Starts with a 2nd + prospect since he's a Manitoba boy. Love shoveling snow. Loves the Gimli fish hut and the QEII park.

Nah, we need a quality RHD.

 

[Petes2424]

Easier said than done… There’s a lot of factors involved. Including Winnipeg itself for veteran players. Which I’ll never understand btw..

Not going “full rebuild” doesn’t mean they won’t do a reset where they may struggle next year but those young players they get will make a nice impact the season after.

The problem is, when it gets to value, they may receive better value on young players and picks. So we may not want to take this as these trades will mirror the Flames/Panthers type trade.

It’s probably more likely young NHL players or players who are NHL ready, mixed with secondary players and picks.. The other thing that comes into play is, whoever those players are, what their own contract situations are. Then obviously, who can take those type of cap hits.

So as an example, if Dubois goes to Montreal, they’d get a player like Dvorak or Edmundson added to a Beck and a 1st rounder. Or to Detroit for a 1st, Wallinder and Fabbri or Chiarot.

So a prospect who’s on the verge of the NHL, a 1st and a secondary scorer type or dman for PLD.

At goaltender, that’s different. They can get a Husso or a Kuemper type in the deal, as well as whatever else.

They should start with Dubois, see what they get, and build from there with the other two trades, to help build this season’s roster. They can’t settle for older players just to keep themselves at or about where they finished this year.

 

[Guffman]

I posted this about a month ago. I am still good on this:




PLD (50% retained on 1-year RFA; extension post Jan 1)



Swayman
Lysell

Why Boston does this:

Boston is in desperate need of top 6 centers. Dubois plays a playoff style game that should help them get over this season’s disappointment. Swayman is an RFA goalie and his arbitration contract would be a luxury that Boston cannot afford.

The best way to handle this for Boston is to have Dubois signed a 1 year contract with the Jets (say for $7M), Jets retain 50% (thus, $3.5M AAV to the Bruins), which helps with the Bruins salary cap crunch for next season. Bruins extend Dubois post-Dec 31 to the more lucrative long-term contract.

Why Winnipeg does this:

Hellebuyck wants to win a Stanley Cup and the Jets really should be retooling/rebuilding. Hellebuyck should be moved in a separate transaction. Swayman has played well for the Bruins and can take over the nets for the Jets. He’s also just 24.

Lysell is a promising 19 year old RW (first round pick from 2021). Jets need to build for the future.

This is similar to the Trouba trade compensation (roster player and a 1st, but in this case, the first is a former 1st round draft pick Lysell).

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We have heard the speculation of Dubois wanting to go to Montreal, but are we just assuming that montreal wants Dubois?

With his expiring contract and inevitable raise, the question becomes more complicated. It's not just about whether Dubois can help the team. The bigger question is if he's worth the locking in of significant cap space. Opportunity cost matters.

Dubois is a good talent, but I'd be nervous about making a big investment in him in a cap world.

Good question.
But why would you be nervous about Dubois?
The only problem with him for Winnipeg is that he wants to play in Montreal.
He is just about to turn 25, an ideal age for an 8 year contract.

I've said from the start that the Habs should trade for Dubois this summer, if the price works for them. Otherwise wait and see.

Dach doesn't work imo. Habs have a strong prospect and u20 group. I would have been more interested if they wanted more futures.

I'm just pointing out that compared to the primarily futures based asks of Jets fans in prior threads, the fact it now appears they're looking for NHL help now might put the Habs out of it.

We don't have a lot of NHL ready help lol.

Don't put too much weight on this statement from Friedman. Chevy never tells ANYBODY what he is thinking or planning. I think he will take the best value deals he can get. If that is futures, so be it.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I wonder what a Hellebuyck+ PLD/Schiefele + Pionk for Marner + deal looks like for the Leafs

 

[wintersej]

I think Frederic is underrated, and the Jets could take a contract to make the cap work. The Jets could focus on the 2025 1st, or maybe Lysell and another pick.

If the Bruins really like PLD, maybe they'd offer up Debrusk or Zacha, along with futures.

In any case, I agree that the Jets will get good interest from some contending teams. PLD is young, so if a team can arrange a contract extension the trade value goes up.

I still wouldn't rule out the Jets trading Scheifele and giving Dubois an offer height have a hard time turning down.

Bruins also have two number 1 goalies if Helly is moved

I wonder what a Hellebuyck+ PLD/Schiefele + Pionk for Marner + deal looks like for the Leafs

The idea of WPG putting everything in the Marner basket when it’s too early to get him to sign an extension doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[Daximus]

I wonder what a Hellebuyck+ PLD/Schiefele + Pionk for Marner + deal looks like for the Leafs

It's likely not something the Jets would be interesting in. As much as I like Marner's playmaking and I think he could take Connor scoring to new heights. But unless we manage to keep one of Schief/PLD then it makes no sense from our perspective to have an embrassement of riches on the wing and no centers to speak of. Lowry as our 1C is not a world where we make much noise no matter how good our winger depth looks.

 

[Fatass]

I wonder what a Hellebuyck+ PLD/Schiefele + Pionk for Marner + deal looks like for the Leafs

It would look like Marner + a lot more consider MM is a UFA in 2025.
The Jets will expect either younger cost controlled players back or very good players who have lots of term left on current contracts. They don’t want to spin their wheels and be back in the same spot next summer with Marner they are now. The Leafs don’t really have what the Jets would want, especially if the Jets are trying to not take a step back.

 

[RangerBoy]

The thing is Rags fans were parading around the exact same arguments for Trouba before we managed to get Pionk and a 1st out of them which they vehemently denied could ever happen.

If a trade does happen between both of these teams I feel like you are setting yourself up for dissapointment. Gorton and Chevy are pals and you are likely going to regret saying none of this will ever happen just like all the Rags fans who said the same.

Really? Most of the Rangers fans hated Pionk. They would traded him for a box of crayons. The first round pick came from Winnipeg for renting Kevin Hayes. Winnipeg took Heinola with the pick who has done jack shit.

RANGERS. Not Rags. Show much maturity.

 

[Guffman]

I think the Jets need to get rid of Nate Schmidt. I knew there were locker room issues but I didn’t know it was THIS bad!