Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

[wintersej]

Hey, want to make 6 million+ guaranteed and then 8 million a year for 7 years, or 2.1 million this year and a promise that no matter what happens I'll negotiate in good faith for a 7 year 8.6 million contract?

Come on.

Not only is it ridiculous but them making that kind of promise will cost them draft picks as punishment for cap circumventing when it comes out.

 

[tbcwpg]

Well running back this core won’t bring fans running back either.
This roster barely made it in and there’s no guarantee we’ll be anything more than a bubble team yet again.
Top it off with players who will not accept any criticism and a coach who is not going to be able to handle their fragile egos and this has the makings of the season of regression as the players who need to be moved will not fetch as much as they would this summer.
Change is hard but it’s necessary, we need to go in a different direction.

Sure, running back this core might not bring the fans in either, I'm not advocating for that, or a rebuild, or what have you, but my thought is the strategy is to keep Hellebuyck, move Scheifele and Dubois for a younger roster player (a la Pionk in the Trouba trade) instead of prospects, and try to get some playoff revenue in the door.

I just think Jets fans ignore the business aspect when it comes to this situation and frame it as either full rebuild or keep everyone, when it's not that binary. Like with Trouba, they'll move players that aren't going to stay and try to get younger by a couple of years.

 

[Wayfarer13]

The Jets faced a similar situation with Trouba, and ended up trading him about a week before the draft for a 1st and younger player.

They avoided any drama with offer sheets, etc.

The Jets likely already know if Dubois has any interest in extending with the Jets. Seems very unlikely. In that case, they'll move him for what they think is the best trade package, before or at the draft.

Please refresh on an aspect of the Trouba case. Were the Rangers the team he wanted to go to with rumours going on for a year that this was his desire?

 

[Hunter368]

Not only is it ridiculous but them making that kind of promise will cost them draft picks as punishment for cap circumventing when it comes out.

I just laugh people talking OS to even start with, like Chevy won’t have PLD dealt with before the deadline haha.

 

[summer tooth]

Scheiffele + Pierre Dubois + Helle + Nino Neidorider
Marner + Tavares + Samsonov + Nick Robertson

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

But hes not even close to PLDs level yet and everyone here knows it and he may never get there. Habs fans snubbing their nose at a Quebec born top 6 C ready to play for them has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen from a fanbase in my lifetime. All because they hate Winnipeg because of an incident that happened 2 years ago in the bubble.

Sucks for you guys that we don't want him dosent it hihi

 

[MardyBum]

Jesus christ the JV team is out now foaming at the mouth.

 

[Guffman]

I like that the two SC finalists rank as among the worst in "team harmony".

Nate Schmidt a rabble-rouser?

Who compiles this nonsense?

It’s just a computer game: Franchise Hockey Manager 9.

I was flipping through some screenshots on Steam and I thought the one I posted was pretty funny.

 

[Guffman]

Well one does not have to sign an offer sheet. They only have to make it clear that they are willing to sign one that is on the table. Conversation goes like this
Kevin C-- Picks up the phone seeing it's the number of PLDs agent and says Hello
PLDs agent---- Good afternoon Kevin I hope all is well for you.
Kevin C--- Not to bad. Doing a lot of player reviews and talking to other GMs today
PLDs agent---Wonderful
Kevin C-- What can I do for today?
PLDs agent-- I want to talk to you about PLD and the Habs
Kevin C -- Go ahead
PLDs agent-- The Habs have offered PLD a contract that he is willing to accept and I don't think you are going to happy about.
Kevin C-- Oh dear. Give me the details
PLDs agent-- $2.1 million
Kevin C--- Why so low?
PLDs agent--- They don't want to give up a potential early first round pick next year along with the Suzuki hard internal cap. They don't have their own second round pick unless they reaquire from Ariz. So they are going with the third round compensation numbers as the option. Now Hughes would rather not go this root and would rather do a trade involving contracts off the roster and perhaps something on the bigger side.
Kevin C---So my options are.
1- Match. Here I would keep a roster player and save some money next year. The down side would be I would have unhappy player with a history that I cannot trade.
2--Trade him before he signs to a team at a discount who are willing to take on the risks
3- Work out deal with the Habs to salvage the best deal I can get

Another person trying to create a non-sensical fantasy scenario to try and create leverage for Montreal to get a discounted deal.

Good Lord, lol.

I’m sure Dubois would sign on to that massive discount, whichever team he lands on. Other players would think his agent is a dunce for screwing over his client like that.

 

[tsujimoto74]

That is awful for Winnipeg. Soooooooooo bad.


Starts with your 1st. Or Kulich or Savoie.

Nah.

 

[ole ole]

Or, you know, the Jets trade Dubois to one of several other contending teams that would like Dubois for next season.

If Dubois doesn't re-sign with Winnipeg he'll be traded to the highest bidder before he gets a chance to look at an offer sheet.

Totally agree.

 

[ole ole]

Thats the thing though. Its no different than the Trouba trade. We all know its not "1 year of Dubois" just like it wasn't "1 year of Trouba".

Don't care if it's one yr or a signed Dubois. Habs hopefully are not stupid enough to involve Dach or Suzuki in the deal like some clowns are insisting.

 

[ole ole]

Dubois at deadline = 1st plus prospect plus more prob. Look what Andrew Copp got back at the deadline so start there...

Anderson? No thanks. Dach and Florida 1st? Thats almost a deadline deal to a contender tho.

Trade Dubois elsewhere if you want Dach involved.

 

[ole ole]

How bout Jets just trade him elsewhere... Colorado for newhook and 1st is better than that crap

Please do.

 

[MardyBum]

"Trade Dubois elswhere then, but you better not talk about it in a trade thread in the trade forum or we will be there to bring up Montreal at every opportunity"

 

[ole ole]

If there is one thing any GM should know you never bank on anyone making the NHL and becoming a top 6 C unless they have McDavid level pedigree. Easy for a Habs fan to say yeah we don't need them look at all these prospects we have. But any GM that values their job will take the surefire ticket rather than the lottery ticket. Its the nature of the business when your livlihood is on the line.

Which is why Dach or Suzuki would never be involved in a trade for Dubois.
I'd rather see him go elsewhere.

 

[ole ole]

Depends on how their GM on the Habs sees his team, if he thinks they are rebuilding for another 3 or more years then no chance he wants PLD......but if he sees them being competitive in the next 1-2 years maybe he might use some of his futures in a trade for PLD to get him now and extend him and also blocking another team in the east from extending PLD long term.

Shall be interesting to see how it ends. Habs don't have much in the way of great prospects, they have a bunch of B, C and D level prospects and that partly might push their GM to get a proven player but also harder to get Chevy to bite on 1-2-3 of none quality prospects as a return. TBD, can't wait, shall be fun to see how it turns out.

Glad to see that Lane, Farrell, Beck, mailloux to name a few are just your run of the mill prospects.

 

[ole ole]

But hes not even close to PLDs level yet and everyone here knows it and he may never get there. Habs fans snubbing their nose at a Quebec born top 6 C ready to play for them has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen from a fanbase in my lifetime. All because they hate Winnipeg because of an incident that happened 2 years ago in the bubble.

Then if he really wants to play for us like you just said than why should we be willing to offer his full value when we can just wait?

 

[MardyBum]

The same idiot argument for a calendar year. Jesus christ.

 

[ole ole]

Yes, they can wait another year. And PLD can go play in a city for a year, compete for a cup, and make 6+ million dollars while doing it.

Agree.

 

[Baksfamous112]

But hes not even close to PLDs level yet and everyone here knows it and he may never get there. Habs fans snubbing their nose at a Quebec born top 6 C ready to play for them has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen from a fanbase in my lifetime. All because they hate Winnipeg because of an incident that happened 2 years ago in the bubble.

No one is snubbing their nose at anyone. You know what PLD will be traded for? I do, he’s going to go to the highest bidder whether it’s Montreal or someone else.

There’s something else I do know. No one is going to put a Dach level player/potential on the table so why would the Habs do it? There’s a certain value where acquiring Dubois doesn’t make sense anymore. Dach is simply isn’t going anywhere.

Back at that potential Habs trade with Winnipeg. I’m sure if PLD wants to play for Montreal both GMs will find a fair deal that both sides are happy with and if they can’t get something done then PLD will go elsewhere and that’ll be it.

There’s no need to bash PLD, Dach or trying to compare both players over their career. They are two different players who played different roles with different teammates.

 

[ole ole]

He'd get those endorsements anyway, and unfortunately, in reality, the "promise" means nothing.

Hey, want to make 6 million+ guaranteed and then 8 million a year for 7 years, or 2.1 million this year and a promise that no matter what happens I'll negotiate in good faith for a 7 year 8.6 million contract?

Come on.



If the Habs don't want to pay to get him(not you, the actual people in charge) then he will be traded to a different team and the Habs can try waiting for a shot.

PLD isn't going to sign dirt cheap to help a billion dollar franchise, and Gorton and Hughes aren't going to give up an unprotected 2024 1st after watching the 2022-23 Habs.

If PLD is going to the Canadiens this offseason it will be through a trade.

Agree but Dach or Suzuki will not be part of the deal.

 

[Fatass]

Not so much if you consider Hellebuyck is a 24 free agent as is Scheifele, theh are both 30 while PLD is an RFA who according to rumours, wants to join the Canadians.

Is there a better way to get maximum dollar on a player’s UFA contract than to float he’s not interested in one team? Then, when he’s a UFA (or looking for his next contract with his current club) his agent can ask for a big number and likely get it. Look at how much Bo horvat just got because he had Lou over a barrel. It’s about having leverage. PLD’d rumoured interest in the Habs gets him leverage.

 

[MardyBum]

Agree but Dach or Suzuki will not be part of the deal.

I agree, but if you want the Habs to stop being involved in this thread, might I suggest to speak to your fellow Habs fans

 

[ole ole]

I agree, but if you want the Habs to stop being involved in this thread, might I suggest to speak to your fellow Habs fans

I don't control what others say and i never once said i want Habs to stop being involved in this thread. I think you some of us mixed up as usual.