Friedman: Jets are not rebuilding, want NHL players back if they trade core pieces

[Daximus]

Really? Most of the Rangers fans hated Pionk. They would traded him for a box of crayons. The first round pick came from Winnipeg for renting Kevin Hayes. Winnipeg took Heinola with the pick who has done jack shit.

RANGERS. Not Rags. Show much maturity.

You must not have been around here much during that time. Rags fans insisted we wouldn't get much more than some scraps for him and that anything more would be stupid to give up on their part because they could just sign him in FA. Getting Pionk and a 1st was more than any Rags fan was willing to give up.

 

[Heldig]

The team has a ton of talent that needs to be nutured. 1st overall pick last year. Dach. Lots of young prospects in the pipe. What they need is time to develop.

Habs are going into year 3 of a rebuild that was sanctioned by Molson. The Habs GM and coach have a ton of rope to work with. If they finish dead last next season its ok. They need the young players to develop and gain experience.

PLD won't make the Habs a playoff team. The developing youth will make the Habs a playoff team over time.

And yes, the fans are ok with that. Why aren't you? Are you unfamiliar with how rebuilds work?

Year 3? Sure, but you have been bad for longer than that - with a weird run to the cup mixed in - bottom 10 team for 10 years. But hey, if the market can handle prolonged losing have at it. I dont care how long your rebuild takes. I dont cheer for the Habs.

That said, definitely have some talented prospects and young players. But I would not get too excited yet. THN ranks the Habs prospect 11th OA. I think the opportunity to acquire a big, mean, physical, talented top 2 C (from Montreal to boot) is worth trading some of that depth and speeding up the rebuild.

You disagree.

We will see what happens.

 

[Wayfarer13]

The Jets aren't going to keep him as a rental, so if he wants out of Winnipeg, signing a cheap offer-sheet the Jets would be forced to match would be the dumbest f***ing thing imaginable.



And all of this has to do with PLD's post draft seasons, how?

Well one does not have to sign an offer sheet. They only have to make it clear that they are willing to sign one that is on the table. Conversation goes like this
Kevin C-- Picks up the phone seeing it's the number of PLDs agent and says Hello
PLDs agent---- Good afternoon Kevin I hope all is well for you.
Kevin C--- Not to bad. Doing a lot of player reviews and talking to other GMs today
PLDs agent---Wonderful
Kevin C-- What can I do for today?
PLDs agent-- I want to talk to you about PLD and the Habs
Kevin C -- Go ahead
PLDs agent-- The Habs have offered PLD a contract that he is willing to accept and I don't think you are going to happy about.
Kevin C-- Oh dear. Give me the details
PLDs agent-- $2.1 million
Kevin C--- Why so low?
PLDs agent--- They don't want to give up a potential early first round pick next year along with the Suzuki hard internal cap. They don't have their own second round pick unless they reaquire from Ariz. So they are going with the third round compensation numbers as the option. Now Hughes would rather not go this root and would rather do a trade involving contracts off the roster and perhaps something on the bigger side.
Kevin C---So my options are.
1- Match. Here I would keep a roster player and save some money next year. The down side would be I would have unhappy player with a history that I cannot trade.
2--Trade him before he signs to a team at a discount who are willing to take on the risks
3- Work out deal with the Habs to salvage the best deal I can get

 

[Cnile]

I can kind of get it. HF fans say they'll support a rebuild but the seats were full this season when the games mattered. I'm convinced that a rebuild might get a rubber stamp approval from the fans but ask them to buy tickets to watch some 20 year olds lose 5-2 to Philadelphia in mid January and they'd be making themselves scarce quickly.

The whole TNSE model is developing the real estate around the arena and using the team to bring people to their businesses around the rink. Losing teams, no matter how bright the future is, don't bring those people. Middling wild card teams usually don't either but at least you have the carrot of playoff revenue for 2 or 4 games in a season.

Well running back this core won’t bring fans running back either.
This roster barely made it in and there’s no guarantee we’ll be anything more than a bubble team yet again.
Top it off with players who will not accept any criticism and a coach who is not going to be able to handle their fragile egos and this has the makings of the season of regression as the players who need to be moved will not fetch as much as they would this summer.
Change is hard but it’s necessary, we need to go in a different direction.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

So its your word vs Friedman who has likely actually talked to someone in the org. Dont delude yourself into thinking they will actually rebuild.

TO all the ones bashing me right now, let's all talk around January. I will eat my words if the Jets end up succeeding. But today I doubt they even crack a playoff spot in the 2023-24 season.

 

[MardyBum]

Well one does not have to sign an offer sheet. They only have to make it clear that they are willing to sign one that is on the table. Conversation goes like this
Kevin C-- Picks up the phone seeing it's the number of PLDs agent and says Hello
PLDs agent---- Good afternoon Kevin I hope all is well for you.
Kevin C--- Not to bad. Doing a lot of player reviews and talking to other GMs today
PLDs agent---Wonderful
Kevin C-- What can I do for today?
PLDs agent-- I want to talk to you about PLD and the Habs
Kevin C -- Go ahead
PLDs agent-- The Habs have offered PLD a contract that he is willing to accept and I don't think you are going to happy about.
Kevin C-- Oh dear. Give me the details
PLDs agent-- $2.1 million
Kevin C--- Why so low?
PLDs agent--- They don't want to give up a potential early first round pick next year along with the Suzuki hard internal cap. They don't have their own second round pick unless they reaquire from Ariz. So they are going with the third round compensation numbers as the option. Now Hughes would rather not go this root and would rather do a trade involving contracts off the roster and perhaps something on the bigger side.
Kevin C---So my options are.
1- Match. Here I would keep a roster player and save some money next year. The down side would be I would have unhappy player with a history that I cannot trade.
2--Trade him before he signs to a team at a discount who are willing to take on the risks
3- Work out deal with the Habs to salvage the best deal I can get

Why is PLD taking a 3.9 million + cut in salary for a year to save the Habs a 1st round pick++ he doesn't care about? He's not an HFBoards Habs GM.

In your insane scenario, Chevy could match out of spite and play PLD on the fourth line all year and sabotage the rest of his future earnings lol.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Likely not that bad. If his agent is worth what he's paid he would heavily advise against such a move. One career ending injury away from holding a bag of nothing. His agent will want at the very least a 5+year deal at fair market value and if the Habs won't give it to then they will go elsewhere. Habs would be silly to balk at an established top 6 center that wants to play for them. I inagine Gorton and Hughes aren't that stupid.

It's not what the agent wants it's what PLD wants as the agent works for PLD not the other way around. The Habs can wait another year and sign him as a UFA. The Habs are still in transition. Any short comings in the first contract can be made for in the second. The usage of term established player comments on past preformance and may or may be an indicator of potential future preformance.

 

[MardyBum]

It's not what the agent wants it's what PLD wants as the agent works for PLD not the other way around. The Habs can wait another year and sign him as a UFA. The Habs are still in transition. Any short comings in the first contract can be made for in the second. The usage of term established player comments on past preformance and may or may be an indicator of potential future preformance.

Yes, they can wait another year. And PLD can go play in a city for a year, compete for a cup, and make 6+ million dollars while doing it.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Why is PLD taking a 3.9 million + cut in salary for a year to save the Habs a 1st round pick++ he doesn't care about? He's not an HFBoards Habs GM.

In your insane scenario, Chevy could match out of spite and play PLD on the fourth line all year and sabotage the rest of his future earnings lol.

So on the second contract he signs for 7 years at say $600,000 a year more than what would get otherwise plus more opprotunties for endorsements along with being home. 8 years down the road he would be ahead. There are risks for all involved here to what ever option bears out. I wonder if the owner of the Jets would put up with an unhappy PLD.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Ah yes, the classic Canadian trap. Never rebuild until the bottom's already long gone.

Good to see the Jets are as poorly run as the rest of the Canadian franchises.

Sad but true...

 

[Wayfarer13]

Yes, they can wait another year. And PLD can go play in a city for a year, compete for a cup, and make 6+ million dollars while doing it.

That is one option and things will play out over the next 4 weeks. Sometimes it's not about the money.

 

[wintersej]

Well one does not have to sign an offer sheet. They only have to make it clear that they are willing to sign one that is on the table. Conversation goes like this
Kevin C-- Picks up the phone seeing it's the number of PLDs agent and says Hello
PLDs agent---- Good afternoon Kevin I hope all is well for you.
Kevin C--- Not to bad. Doing a lot of player reviews and talking to other GMs today
PLDs agent---Wonderful
Kevin C-- What can I do for today?
PLDs agent-- I want to talk to you about PLD and the Habs
Kevin C -- Go ahead
PLDs agent-- The Habs have offered PLD a contract that he is willing to accept and I don't think you are going to happy about.
Kevin C-- Oh dear. Give me the details
PLDs agent-- $2.1 million
Kevin C--- Why so low?
PLDs agent--- They don't want to give up a potential early first round pick next year along with the Suzuki hard internal cap. They don't have their own second round pick unless they reaquire from Ariz. So they are going with the third round compensation numbers as the option. Now Hughes would rather not go this root and would rather do a trade involving contracts off the roster and perhaps something on the bigger side.
Kevin C---So my options are.
1- Match. Here I would keep a roster player and save some money next year. The down side would be I would have unhappy player with a history that I cannot trade.
2--Trade him before he signs to a team at a discount who are willing to take on the risks
3- Work out deal with the Habs to salvage the best deal I can get

And PLD risks this because…..

 

[Wayfarer13]

Love this probably dont need mantra LOL.

You were one of the worst teams in the league for 2 years running. The team desperately needs more talent. Dubois would be at worst your 3rd best player.

If you are the Habs GM do you have enough rope to continue to suck and HOPE several prospects pan out AND HOPE no one else signs Dubois long term before next summer?

Apparently the fans are ok with that?

LOL What the team needs more than anything else is a healthy lineup. You don't win many games when you lose 700+ man games to injury a season.

 

[MardyBum]

So on the second contract he signs for 7 years at say $600,000 a year more than what would get otherwise plus more opprotunties for endorsements along with being home. 8 years down the road he would be ahead. There are risks for all involved here to what ever option bears out. I wonder if the owner of the Jets would put up with an unhappy PLD.

He'd get those endorsements anyway, and unfortunately, in reality, the "promise" means nothing.

Hey, want to make 6 million+ guaranteed and then 8 million a year for 7 years, or 2.1 million this year and a promise that no matter what happens I'll negotiate in good faith for a 7 year 8.6 million contract?

Come on.

That is one option and things will play out over the next 4 weeks. Sometimes it's not about the money.

If the Habs don't want to pay to get him(not you, the actual people in charge) then he will be traded to a different team and the Habs can try waiting for a shot.

PLD isn't going to sign dirt cheap to help a billion dollar franchise, and Gorton and Hughes aren't going to give up an unprotected 2024 1st after watching the 2022-23 Habs.

If PLD is going to the Canadiens this offseason it will be through a trade.

 

[Leaf Fans]

It would look like Marner + a lot more consider MM is a UFA in 2025.
The Jets will expect either younger cost controlled players back or very good players who have lots of term left on current contracts. They don’t want to spin their wheels and be back in the same spot next summer with Marner they are now. The Leafs don’t really have what the Jets would want, especially if the Jets are trying to not take a step back.

Not so much if you consider Hellebuyck is a 24 free agent as is Scheifele, theh are both 30 while PLD is an RFA who according to rumours, wants to join the Canadians.

 

[Wayfarer13]

He'd get those endorsements anyway, and unfortunately, in reality, the "promise" means nothing.

Hey, want to make 6 million+ guaranteed and then 8 million a year for 7 years, or 2.1 million this year and a promise that no matter what happens I'll negotiate in good faith for a 7 year 8.6 million contract?

Come on.



If the Habs don't want to pay to get him(not you, the actual people in charge) then he will be traded to a different team and the Habs can try waiting for a shot.

PLD isn't going to sign dirt cheap to help a billion dollar franchise, and Gorton and Hughes aren't going to give up an unprotected 2024 1st after watching the 2022-23 Habs.

If PLD is going to the Canadiens this offseason it will be through a trade.

There is risk in everything and yah Know to PLD it may not be about the money. He likely will get get his money.

He'd get those endorsements anyway, and unfortunately, in reality, the "promise" means nothing.

Hey, want to make 6 million+ guaranteed and then 8 million a year for 7 years, or 2.1 million this year and a promise that no matter what happens I'll negotiate in good faith for a 7 year 8.6 million contract?

Come on.



If the Habs don't want to pay to get him(not you, the actual people in charge) then he will be traded to a different team and the Habs can try waiting for a shot.

PLD isn't going to sign dirt cheap to help a billion dollar franchise, and Gorton and Hughes aren't going to give up an unprotected 2024 1st after watching the 2022-23 Habs.

If PLD is going to the Canadiens this offseason it will be through a trade.

What does a player make in endorsements in the Peg compared to a Pure Laine in Montreal?

 

[MardyBum]

There is risk in everything and yah Know to PLD it may not be about the money. He likely will get get his money.

Oh he will. He wants to live an expensive lifestyle.

 

[Whileee]

I think the Jets need to get rid of Nate Schmidt. I knew there were locker room issues but I didn’t know it was THIS bad!

I like that the two SC finalists rank as among the worst in "team harmony".

Nate Schmidt a rabble-rouser?

Who compiles this nonsense?

 

[MardyBum]

There is risk in everything and yah Know to PLD it may not be about the money. He likely will get get his money.


What does a player make in endorsements in the Peg compared to a Pure Laine in Montreal?

Is he going to risk missing out on those endorsements if he doesn't sign a 2.1 million dollar 1 year offersheet? Or will get those if he goes to Montreal regardless?

 

[Wayfarer13]

He'd get those endorsements anyway, and unfortunately, in reality, the "promise" means nothing.

Hey, want to make 6 million+ guaranteed and then 8 million a year for 7 years, or 2.1 million this year and a promise that no matter what happens I'll negotiate in good faith for a 7 year 8.6 million contract?

Come on.



If the Habs don't want to pay to get him(not you, the actual people in charge) then he will be traded to a different team and the Habs can try waiting for a shot.

PLD isn't going to sign dirt cheap to help a billion dollar franchise, and Gorton and Hughes aren't going to give up an unprotected 2024 1st after watching the 2022-23 Habs.

If PLD is going to the Canadiens this offseason it will be through a trade.

A trade would be the best option but they won't break the bank in doing so. I see a creative multi player deal as a possibility being done. It would factor on the Peg taking a step back next year

Oh he will. He wants to live an expensive lifestyle.

I haven't heard anything on what his lifestyle budget is.

 

[Whileee]

Well one does not have to sign an offer sheet. They only have to make it clear that they are willing to sign one that is on the table. Conversation goes like this
Kevin C-- Picks up the phone seeing it's the number of PLDs agent and says Hello
PLDs agent---- Good afternoon Kevin I hope all is well for you.
Kevin C--- Not to bad. Doing a lot of player reviews and talking to other GMs today
PLDs agent---Wonderful
Kevin C-- What can I do for today?
PLDs agent-- I want to talk to you about PLD and the Habs
Kevin C -- Go ahead
PLDs agent-- The Habs have offered PLD a contract that he is willing to accept and I don't think you are going to happy about.
Kevin C-- Oh dear. Give me the details
PLDs agent-- $2.1 million
Kevin C--- Why so low?
PLDs agent--- They don't want to give up a potential early first round pick next year along with the Suzuki hard internal cap. They don't have their own second round pick unless they reaquire from Ariz. So they are going with the third round compensation numbers as the option. Now Hughes would rather not go this root and would rather do a trade involving contracts off the roster and perhaps something on the bigger side.
Kevin C---So my options are.
1- Match. Here I would keep a roster player and save some money next year. The down side would be I would have unhappy player with a history that I cannot trade.
2--Trade him before he signs to a team at a discount who are willing to take on the risks
3- Work out deal with the Habs to salvage the best deal I can get

If PLD won't sign an extension with the Jets before any other team can even talk to his agent, then the Jets will trade him to the highest bidder.

His future (for at least next year) will be sealed before an offer sheet even enters the picture.

But thanks for putting in the effort, with the play script and all...

 

[Weltschmerz]

I think the Jets need to get rid of Nate Schmidt. I knew there were locker room issues but I didn’t know it was THIS bad!

wtf is this? K. Okulov?

 

[614 CBJ]

Dubois is reportedly open to negotiate term and money

Agent states he will not go anywhere that does not have milk & cookies ready when he gets to the rink

 

[Wayfarer13]

If PLD won't sign an extension with the Jets before any other team can even talk to his agent, then the Jets will trade him to the highest bidder.

His future (for at least next year) will be sealed before an offer sheet even enters the picture.

But thanks for putting in the effort, with the play script and all...

It's not sealed as there are possible threads that are open

 

[Whileee]

It's not sealed as there are possible threads that are open

The Jets faced a similar situation with Trouba, and ended up trading him about a week before the draft for a 1st and younger player.

They avoided any drama with offer sheets, etc.

The Jets likely already know if Dubois has any interest in extending with the Jets. Seems very unlikely. In that case, they'll move him for what they think is the best trade package, before or at the draft.