Post-Game Talk: Jets 5 - Mustard Kittens 2

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agility is my biggest beef with him. The opposition skates circles around him when he doesn’t have the puck. He might as well not be on the ice at those times because he can’t chase anyone down.

BUT! To Jet’s point, when he has the puck he’s making some good outlet passes and his shot is actually good and hard.

So to me, it’s a little of column A and a little of column B.

He is a 3LD. He is not expected to be among the best Dmen in the league. He has 4 fairly good, not great games and then 1 horrendous one like last night. Is that acceptable for a #5,6 Dman? Would it become acceptable if his good games were just a little better? Or, alternatively, if his bad games were just a little less bad? Or maybe all he needs to do is improve the ratio of good to bad games.

What if the difference between good Stan and bad Stan is how much the other teams pressure him? Will they learn to bring out the worst in him by attacking his weakness? Will he learn to compensate and rise above the whole thing? That's not impossible. I don't think its likely at his age and with 167 NHL games under his belt. But it could happen.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

For me its his hockey IQ and he reacts too slow.

I think his poor agility contributes to his HIQ looking off. It puts him a split second behind.

 

[Moloch]

Stan's mistakes are amplified on the PK.. just take him off the PK and i'm fine with him being a 6/7 pair D

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

6'7 Stan is fine as a 6/7 d man, I don't think he's suited to the top 4 role he's had to play recently but that's okay. Most teams don't have top-4 quality D on the 3rd pair anyways. Once he's back playing his usual role I think he'll be stronger for having the experience higher in the lineup.

Hope you're right.

 

[voyageur]

vilardi definitely is imo, although he didn't score last POs i think he is the best net front guy on the team.
connor & scheifele im not worried about goal scoring.
2nd line don't think so as they're constructed. namestnikov can be a garbage-goal guy but they're not generating a ton of offense right now.

last POs, 2nd line w/ toffoli and monahan had 2GF 0GA with monahan+ehlers combining for 0.

I look at those two sites from time to time but how can that be right if Toffoli was -2 and Monahan was -1? Ehlers bounced around to get his -4, but there's one goal in particular I remember where Makar just skated through all 3 forwards.

Vilardi scored a nice goal last night, on the PP, skating just past the pad, stick down, to shovel it in. That PP is going to be something to watch in the playoffs if they keep adding new wrinkles all the time. I think injury slowed down Gabe last year or he would have had the breakout he is having this year. Scheifele is never afraid to go to the net, that was an incredible athletic save Saros made on him yesterday, and Connor knows how to find soft spots as a shooter.

2nd line only really has Namestnikov as a danger in front of the net, and when he had a winger like Lambert who drove the paint, created chances, that some unfortunately nervous hands can miss, but Chibrikov buried. Perfetti just doesn't seem to know how to score goals yet. Maybe it's confidence, where one goes in and the game gets easier. Ehlers isn't going to attack the net, but if he skates below the goal line more often he'll create better chances than from above the circles.

I just want to close out by saying Hellebuyck is a special player. Listening to Eric Comrie talk about him, he said he doesn't like to make saves look difficult, so it's technical with him, always being ready for the shots coming, and having the ability to absorb them which is a good form of rebound control. We're really lucky to have a Vezina goalie in town. This place was a lot more miserable when the fans had to rely on Pavelec. And he's still in his prime. Maybe 500 wins isn't out of the question if the team in front of him plays to his strengths.

 

[raideralex99]

Stan's mistakes are amplified on the PK.. just take him off the PK and i'm fine with him being a 6/7 pair D

Yup and maybe that explains why the Preds never scored on the 5 on 3 … he was in the penalty box.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Wish there was a way to filter out all discussion on Stan on here to see what else ppl are talking about.

 

[DRW204]

I look at those two sites from time to time but how can that be right if Toffoli was -2 and Monahan was -1? Ehlers bounced around to get his -4, but there's one goal in particular I remember where Makar just skated through all 3 forwards.

Vilardi scored a nice goal last night, on the PP, skating just past the pad, stick down, to shovel it in. That PP is going to be something to watch in the playoffs if they keep adding new wrinkles all the time. I think injury slowed down Gabe last year or he would have had the breakout he is having this year. Scheifele is never afraid to go to the net, that was an incredible athletic save Saros made on him yesterday, and Connor knows how to find soft spots as a shooter.

2nd line only really has Namestnikov as a danger in front of the net, and when he had a winger like Lambert who drove the paint, created chances, that some unfortunately nervous hands can miss. Perfetti just doesn't seem to know how to score goals yet. Maybe it's confidence, where one goes in and the game gets easier. Ehlers isn't going to attack the net, but if he skates below the goal line more often he'll create better chances than from above the circles.

I just want to close out by saying Hellebuyck is a special player. Listening to Eric Comrie talk about him, he said he doesn't like to make saves look difficult, so it's technical with him, always being ready for the shots coming, and having the ability to absorb them which is a good form of rebound control. We're really lucky to have a Vezina goalie in town. This place was a lot more miserable when the fans had to rely on Pavelec. And he's still in his prime. Maybe 500 wins isn't out of the question if the team in front of him plays to his strengths.

according to naturalstatrick: because toffoli was a
-1 on the PP (SHG against),
-2 on EN GA
-1 with monahan & namestnikov (that's the goal you're referencing)


likely similar for other other 2

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Stan's mistakes are amplified on the PK.. just take him off the PK and i'm fine with him being a 6/7 pair D

But the PK is part of the justification for playing him.

Wish there was a way to filter out all discussion on Stan on here to see what else ppl are talking about.

BTW, did anyone mention, we won?

 

[Cypruss]

I used to ask people questions all the time but I had to quit.

Apparently, asking them "Why are you such an asshole?" doesn't help you get to know them.

You should try asking them why they take their medical advice from Bill Gates

 

[Cypruss]

Yup and maybe that explains why the Preds never scored on the 5 on 3 … he was in the penalty box.

Sometimes, logical factual responses are the 100% perfect answer.

Well done!

 

[Gm0ney]

what's the average cap hit of PPG fwds in the league this season?

$8.7M

 

[voyageur]

Sometimes, logical factual responses are the 100% perfect answer.

Well done!

Lowry also had a blocked shot, and De Melo never left the ice, had a great clear off a rebound. Normally #3 would be Samberg. But it was Pionk, when it mattered. I had to watch the Vegas 6-3 against Stanley when the refs decide to put a screw in the outcome of the game. Hopefully never see Stanley put in that spot again.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

He is a 3LD. He is not expected to be among the best Dmen in the league. He has 4 fairly good, not great games and then 1 horrendous one like last night. Is that acceptable for a #5,6 Dman? Would it become acceptable if his good games were just a little better? Or, alternatively, if his bad games were just a little less bad? Or maybe all he needs to do is improve the ratio of good to bad games.

What if the difference between good Stan and bad Stan is how much the other teams pressure him? Will they learn to bring out the worst in him by attacking his weakness? Will he learn to compensate and rise above the whole thing? That's not impossible. I don't think its likely at his age and with 167 NHL games under his belt. But it could happen.

Vegas - who's third pairing is Hague-Whitecloud - lots of size but neither are standing out, comparable to Fleury/Coghlan imo
Kings - Edmundson-Spence - essentially a Stan-Heinola pairing with a bit more talent imo
Stars - Smith-Lyubushkin - two heavy hitters, pretty slow guys

Don't think its the end of the world if Stan is our 3rd pairing - but I don't see a place for him on the PK in the playoffs... but Arniel for sure will want size on that third pairing

I'd go Fleury/Stan-Miller but get Miller PK time and stop the Stan experiment

 

[The Blue Baron]

Back in the win column for the Jets! Congratulations to Connor Hellebuyck for his 300th career NHL victory! What's with the phantom penalty call on Kyle Connor? Just wow... I give this game a FAB FOUR "Beatles" out of five...

The Prediction Contest for the game against the Burger Kings has been posted for your guesses. Big shout out to @Mud Turtle for the fantastic GDT, I think we all thought it was FABulous... The next game is available, should you choose to accept it. See you on Friday! Good night...

My heroes...

The Beatles SUCK!

 

[Gm0ney]

The 4v5 PK shot metrics aren't that much worse with Stanley than without ...but my goodness, the GA/60 with him on the PK is terrible. 12.68 GA/60 with Stanley at 4v5, 5.95 without.

In just straight counts, Stanley's played 47:18 at 4v5 and has been on the ice for 10 goals against.
Without Stanley, the Jets have played 131:10 at 4v5 and have been scored on 13 times.

So the shot metrics suggest he is slightly negative, and the results in actual goals are massively negative.

 

[Moloch]

Looks like the Kings/Flames game is delayed due to the wildfires. Maybe they delay until tomorrow, and we get LA on the 2nd half of a B2B..?

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

LOL.

I own the company.

So thats a yes

 

[gojetsgo]

Looks like the Kings/Flames game is delayed due to the wildfires. Maybe they delay until tomorrow, and we get LA on the 2nd half of a B2B..?

0% chance, la plays us friday then calgary saturday

 

[MardyBum]

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Hope they roll Heinola Coghlan again friday if possible.

 

[bustamente]

Well apparently Samberg and Fleury are skating maybe one of them is available, The one player this team can't afford to miss for a while other than Helle is Joshua.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Lucky to win? Nashville had 16 PP minutes to our 4 and we still won 5-2 . I'm starting to think you aren't watching these games fairly.

I clearly stated without Helle they do not win. Did you listen to Nino 's postgame? He sounded like a guy who thought they were also luck to win because of the slow start and penalties.
I also stated that NSV did not have Stamkos on the PP. If they did I feel the outcome would have been different.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

That's a terrible argument but thanks for playing.

I pay very close attention to Stanley every time he's on the ice, especially because his detractors are so vocal. You know what's funny about that? Outside of a specific instance where he makes a mistake, they mostly just throw out generic bull shit like he blongs in the minors.

I already said that was a stupid play. I also already said that he had an awful third period.

Did you see any of the other plays he made last night? Were they ALL terrible? Did he make any nice plays? I bet you can't name one because you just want to harp on the bad stuff and shit on him.

Good day, sir.

I can name a few good plays he made and was impressed with his 90 MPH shot but it is the second game in a row he has been responsible for at least one goal scored on the PK by not getting to the shooter fast enough or using his body to block a shot. He had a puck go in off his skate because he failed to turn to the play, he too ka nonsense 4miniute minor by bein carless. At some point if the bad outweighs the good you have to move on. I think the issue is he seems to get more rope than most other dmen who are '5/6' guys like Coughlan or Kovsevich did.

Stan's mistakes are amplified on the PK.. just take him off the PK and i'm fine with him being a 6/7 pair D

Perhaps the most reasonable comment out here! Put him in a position to succeed not fail. Dare , I say use him on the Line 2 PP because of his shot rather than PK?

 

[Gm0ney]

I clearly stated without Helle they do not win. Did you listen to Nino 's postgame? He sounded like a guy who thought they were also luck to win because of the slow start and penalties.
I also stated that NSV did not have Stamkos on the PP. If they did I feel the outcome would have been different.

Of course, without that ref crew, the Jets don't need Hellebuyck to win...

 

[bustamente]

Of course, without that ref crew, the Jets don't need Hellebuyck to win...

That call on KFC was laughable, NHL has a referee problem in terms of consistency