Value of: Jesper Bratt

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Are you really insinuating that Zetterlund is going to take Bratt’s spot? Lol

I like zetterlund, but Bratt had 21 more points in 18 more games in the NHL than zetterlund did in the AHL lol.

That's @Jersey Fan 12 for you.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

I like zetterlund, but Bratt had 21 more points in 18 more games in the NHL than zetterlund did in the AHL lol.

That's @Jersey Fan 12 for you.

And yet one player's team won quite a few more games. And reached the playoffs.

Comparing statistics of a player in his fifth NHL season verse that of a rookie doesn't really seem valid.

 

[Billdo]

With Alexander Holtz poised to be Jack Hughes' running mate, Zetterlund proving to be an effective two-way forward and Hischier eventually returning from injury, where does that leave Bratt?

Uh, right next to Nico like he usually is? Wtf kind of question is that.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Uh, right next to Nico like he usually is? Wtf kind of question is that.

Because they won a ton of games doing that last year.

 

[Billdo]

Because they won a ton of games doing that last year.

You can't honestly not understand that what you just said is anything less than silly, right?

 

[My3Sons]

Because they won a ton of games doing that last year.

Meh. McDavid and Drai have struggled some seasons. It’s a team game and cherry picking one or two guys who play 1/3 of the game is pretty over simplified to me. I don’t disagree that Bratt isn’t the greatest defensive player but he’s gutsy and tough in his own way. Any team would be happy to have him.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Meh. McDavid and Drai have struggled some seasons. It’s a team game and cherry picking one or two guys who play 1/3 of the game is pretty over simplified to me. I don’t disagree that Bratt isn’t the greatest defensive player but he’s gutsy and tough in his own way. Any team would be happy to have him.

He's on a one-year contract while Hischier and Hughes have long-term deals. Looks like even the Devils don't love having him.

And I can think of a bunch of teams that would want no part of his one-way game. Can you imagine him playing for coaches like Sutter or Tortorella? How long would that last?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

And yet one player's team won quite a few more games. And reached the playoffs.

Comparing statistics of a player in his fifth NHL season verse that of a rookie doesn't really seem valid.

Zetterlund wasn't a rookie in the AHL and is only 1 year younger than Bratt.

Bratt can't stop the puck so I'm confused as to why you're attributing our losses to him.

5v5 goal differential:
W/ Bratt: 60 GF 52 GA (+8)
W/O Bratt: 121 GF 162 GA (-41)

I think it's time you ended your idiotic crusade.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

With Alexander Holtz poised to be Jack Hughes' running mate, Zetterlund proving to be an effective two-way forward and Hischier eventually returning from injury, where does that leave Bratt?

as the best winger on the New Jersey Devils, and probably a top ~25 winger in the NHL...?

Next question.

And yet one player's team won quite a few more games. And reached the playoffs.

Comparing statistics of a player in his fifth NHL season verse that of a rookie doesn't really seem valid.

I truly, and I mean TRULY, cannot believe that we are comparing AHL wins to NHL wins. AND NOT ONLY THAT, we are insinuating that Jesper Bratt HURT the Devils in the NHL more than Zetterlund HELPED the Comets in the AHL.

 

[My3Sons]

I truly, and I mean TRULY, cannot believe that we are comparing AHL wins to NHL wins. AND NOT ONLY THAT, we are insinuating that Jesper Bratt HURT the Devils in the NHL more than Zetterlund HELPED the Comets in the AHL.

Well, I'm glad someone other than Jersey Fan finally figured that out. What a relief. You'd think it was obvious.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

This was supposed to be a value of thread, what the hell happened?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

This was supposed to be a value of thread, what the hell happened?

@Jersey Fan 12 starting spewing provable nonsense like Bratt makes the devils worse lol.

He's either blind or the best troll I've ever seen.

 

[Double Dion]

I like Bratt. I think Devils fans either rate him too high or too low. He's a 1st line winger all day, but he's not better than Tkachuk like some have suggested.

Does NJ still need LHD? What would fans here think of something like Kylington and Hanifin for Bratt and an expiring cap dump like Tatar or Johnsson?

 

[My3Sons]

I like Bratt. I think Devils fans either rate him too high or too low. He's a 1st line winger all day, but he's not better than Tkachuk like some have suggested.

Does NJ still need LHD? What would fans here think of something like Kylington and Hanifin for Bratt and an expiring cap dump like Tatar or Johnsson?

I think it was one poster who likes him more than Tkachuk? NJ doesn't have any need to dump cap and doesn't have any need to move a first line winger for a middle pair defender. They have a few young lefty defenders on the way led by Luke Hughes. It's not a great fit for a trade.

 

[Double Dion]

I think it was one poster who likes him more than Tkachuk? NJ doesn't have any need to dump cap and doesn't have any need to move a first line winger for a middle pair defender. They have a few young lefty defenders on the way led by Luke Hughes. It's not a great fit for a trade.

This is a top pairing defender and a middle pairing defender. Hanifin was the LD on the 3rd best pairing in the league last year. Kylington was the LD on the 5th best pairing in the league last year. Calgary is insanely deep at defense. Both are 25 and fit NJD roster age.

 

[My3Sons]

This is a top pairing defender and a middle pairing defender. Hanifin was the LD on the 3rd best pairing in the league last year. Kylington was the LD on the 5th best pairing in the league last year. Calgary is insanely deep at defense. Both are 25 and fit NJD roster age.

Fair enough. I still think Bratt has more trade value than either of those guys one for one and I don't think NJ gets any value from a cap dump they don't need to make. Again, it's a fit issue to me more than a player value issue. NJ already has significant money invested in the defense with Hamilton Siegenthaler and Marino and both Hanifin and Kylington will need big money deals soon while NJ will need to save space for the influx of young guys. NJ could just extend Graves if they wanted to spend more on a left defender and they don't seem interested in that. As an aside, Kylington isn't the style of defender that NJ is adding. They tend to want their defenders on the taller rangier side. Right now, the smallest defender in their top four is Severson at 6'2" and even on their third pair they will have Kevin Bahl at 6'6". Hanifin would be interesting to them no doubt but not at the cost of Bratt or the need to pay him or lose him in two years.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Can Devils fans fill us in on what the needs are?

My team can't really be involved for cap reasons, but I wonder if something like Jack Quinn or Ryan Pulock for Bratt might be a starting point. Buffalo and NYI seem like two teams that would be near the front of the line to add a dynamic 2 way winger.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Your two top lines are often referred to as a "top 6" because in theory, you have 6 good forwards to play on them.

 

[HBK27]

Can Devils fans fill us in on what the needs are?

My team can't really be involved for cap reasons, but I wonder if something like Jack Quinn or Ryan Pulock for Bratt might be a starting point. Buffalo and NYI seem like two teams that would be near the front of the line to add a dynamic 2 way winger.

The problem is that NJ's needs, particularly if they are trading Bratt, is top 6 wingers.

Right now they have: Bratt, Palat, Holtz, Sharangovich & Mercer. Holtz is still unproven and really the only high end forward prospect in NJ's system. You could also argue that they need additional depth at center after this year depending on what they do with Haula who is their 3C but a UFA after this season. You don't want to trade a player of Bratt's caliber though for a 3C fix, plus Mercer can always shift to C if needed.

On defense, they're set. Hamilton & Marino are both signed long-term and you have Nemec in the pipeline, so the RD is taken care of. On LD, you have Siegenthaler signed long-term, Luke Hughes on the way later this season and a handful of prospects in Bahl, Okhotiuk, Mukhamadullin and Vukojevic with NHL potential.

Goaltending is still an issue, but should be much better this season with a healthy Blackwood and the addition of Vanecek. Daws and Schmid are a good young pairing in Utica, but neither are highly regarded prospects.

Bratt is still an RFA after this season and the Devils should be competitive this year and at least fighting for a playoff spot. Hard to really see a scenario where Bratt gets moved this season. Hopefully both sides can hammer out a long-term deal this offseason as I think he wants to stay and the Devils certainly want to keep him - this season will give NJ a better gauge of his value following last year's breakout season.

 

[Double Dion]

The problem is that NJ's needs, particularly if they are trading Bratt, is top 6 wingers.

Right now they have: Bratt, Palat, Holtz, Sharangovich & Mercer. Holtz is still unproven and really the only high end forward prospect in NJ's system. You could also argue that they need additional depth at center after this year depending on what they do with Haula who is their 3C but a UFA after this season. You don't want to trade a player of Bratt's caliber though for a 3C fix, plus Mercer can always shift to C if needed.

On defense, they're set. Hamilton & Marino are both signed long-term and you have Nemec in the pipeline, so the RD is taken care of. On LD, you have Siegenthaler signed long-term, Luke Hughes on the way later this season and a handful of prospects in Bahl, Okhotiuk, Mukhamadullin and Vukojevic with NHL potential.

Goaltending is still an issue, but should be much better this season with a healthy Blackwood and the addition of Vanecek. Daws and Schmid are a good young pairing in Utica, but neither are highly regarded prospects.

It's kind of crazy how things change so quickly. Calgary used to have 4 1st line wingers. Now we have 2 and only 1 2nd line winger. I do think NJ needs something on LD too. The right side is strong, but the left not really.

Calgary also has Dustin Wolf coming. I would think one of him or Vladar would be available. Obviously Wolf is a much bigger chip tha Vladar.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The problem is that NJ's needs, particularly if they are trading Bratt, is top 6 wingers.

Right now they have: Bratt, Palat, Holtz, Sharangovich & Mercer. Holtz is still unproven and really the only high end forward prospect in NJ's system. You could also argue that they need additional depth at center after this year depending on what they do with Haula who is their 3C but a UFA after this season. You don't want to trade a player of Bratt's caliber though for a 3C fix, plus Mercer can always shift to C if needed.

On defense, they're set. Hamilton & Marino are both signed long-term and you have Nemec in the pipeline, so the RD is taken care of. On LD, you have Siegenthaler signed long-term, Luke Hughes on the way later this season and a handful of prospects in Bahl, Okhotiuk, Mukhamadullin and Vukojevic with NHL potential.

Goaltending is still an issue, but should be much better this season with a healthy Blackwood and the addition of Vanecek. Daws and Schmid are a good young pairing in Utica, but neither are highly regarded prospects.

Bratt is still an RFA after this season and the Devils should be competitive this year and at least fighting for a playoff spot. Hard to really see a scenario where Bratt gets moved this season. Hopefully both sides can hammer out a long-term deal this offseason as I think he wants to stay and the Devils certainly want to keep him - this season will give NJ a better gauge of his value following last year's breakout season.

That's a great run down.

Seems like Bratt is a great fit in NJ then. Even if the deal is short term, I think you get it done and cross that bridge when it expires.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

As I said earlier in this thread, trading Bratt for draft picks or prospects does not make sense from NJ's point of view. They are ready to make the leap now. So if he were to be traded, it would ideally be for a similarly aged top line winger. I had thrown out Meier as an example in the past.

Obviously, if Bratt wants out, then thats a different story. But trading him for a 1st and a prospect doesn't make sense for NJ as we stand today.

 

[megajake]

The Devils aren't even close to competing just yet. Trading Bratt for picks+prospects is better than getting a player in their prime right now when we aren't ready.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

This is a top pairing defender and a middle pairing defender. Hanifin was the LD on the 3rd best pairing in the league last year. Kylington was the LD on the 5th best pairing in the league last year. Calgary is insanely deep at defense. Both are 25 and fit NJD roster age.

Lol no just no.

 

[My3Sons]

The Devils aren't even close to competing just yet. Trading Bratt for picks+prospects is better than getting a player in their prime right now when we aren't ready.

NJ wants to at least try to play well. They can move Graves, Severson, Tatar, Wood, Haula, and maybe Blackwood if they want picks and prospects. Presumably Bratt is still around when they are ready to compete.