Value of: Jesper Bratt

[Jersey Fresh]

Sucks, but it is what it is. Jesper got greedy it sounds like and wants to chase UFA as quickly as possible. I don’t think Fitz could realistically have paid him what he wants on the back of one year of production and with only RFA leverage.

No matter what the deal looks like, whoever gets Jesper Bratt wins the trade.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I guess you gotta find out what s Bratt + Severson + 1st package could get us. In the end I still think Bratt remains a Devil long term even if he takes a 1 year deal at arbitration.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Psst, you're replying to someone who puts Bratt in the same hemisphere as Kaprizov. It's a losing cause.

Kaprizov 23 year old season
55gp 27g 51p

Bratt 23 year old season
76gp 26g 73p

Like I said, Kaprizov is definitely better, bet they had pretty comparable contract years, and Kaprizov just got 9M over 5 years. Had he signed 8 years that number is probably closer to 10M.

He isn't in the same universe as any of those players you just listed. Lol Kaprizov won the calder and put up 27 goals in 55 games in his first year in the league. Lets look at Bratts history 13 goals in 74. 8 goals in 51. 16 goals in 60. 7 goals in 46. 26 goals in 76 games. Yeah, sure looks like a player a team wouldn't instantly regret giving over 7.5 long term. Kaprizov literally just outscored him by 21 goals he isn't close to being a game changer like him so including him in your post does nothing for your side of the argument.

Are you really using goal totals as a measuring stick for a playmaking winger?

I'm comparing their contract seasons, which really aren't that incomparable per the above.

 

[SempreMilan]

Does Vrána + Rasmussen for Bratt + Johnsson work for New Jersey, in terms of NHL roster players? Assuming Detroit is then also adding picks and/or prospects, one of which I'm guessing while have to be very good.

It does for me, but a top 5 protected 1st has to come back for Bratt. I'd be willing to send a mid grade prospect back to even it out. Foote, Bahl, Okhotyuk, Stillman etc

 

[seafoam]

2024 1st + Bailey for Bratt.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[bsu]

When 1 person has a wild take and it derails the entire thread.

Hes getting traded for sure

 

[Guffman]

When 1 person has a wild take and it derails the entire thread.


Hes getting traded for sure

Still have another year of control so they can now see if he maintains/increases his production and then offer a market long-term deal next offseason.

Or, trade him next offseason.

 

[themelkman]

the problem with trading him is it would be in the Devils' best interest to move him for a similarly valued winger, They really cannot afford to trade him for picks or prospects.

would the Sharks do Bratt for Meier (assuming contracts got sorted)?

Assuming both have similar seasons and Meier is going to leave yes.

If both do well and want out, I think it’s a swap that makes some sense

 

[Djp]

Fiala is a pretty good comp for Bratt, but Bratt is younger. There would have to be a 1st plus a really high end prospect or young roster player coming back at least.

this year Fiala was 1 to UFA. Next summer Bratt will be 1 to UFA. Expect something similar in a trade of he dies well.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Generally you are a good poster. But Bratt is not better than Tkachuk. Tkachuk actually has substantially better possession numbers than Bratt. Not just this past season either. Every season except one.

I like Bratt, but he didn't put up 100 points, he's small and no sane GM pays him 9 to 10M. You're comparing him to guys who have hit triple digits and 40 goals. Bratt has one 20 goal season, no 30 goal seasons and hasn't even hit 80 points yet.

I do like his style of play more than Tkachuks too. I think it's more valuable, but it's not more rare and he's orders of magnitude less productive.

Tkachuk is an elite complimentary offensive player. I like a lot about his game. I just put a really big premium on play drivers who can transport the puck.

When you look at Bratt's production in his 23 y/o season (73p in 76gp), it compares very well to the 23 y/o seasons of guys like Panarin (77p in 80gp), Kaprizov (51p in 55gp), Kane (66p in 82gp), and Gaudreau (61p in 72gp)

 

[Double Dion]

Tkachuk is an elite complimentary offensive player. I like a lot about his game. I just put a really big premium on play drivers who can transport the puck.

When you look at Bratt's production in his 23 y/o season (73p in 76gp), it compares very well to the 23 y/o seasons of guys like Panarin (77p in 80gp), Kaprizov (51p in 55gp), Kane (66p in 82gp), and Gaudreau (61p in 72gp)

There is truth in what you are saying. But you also picked out the worst season of Gaudreau's career. At 21 Gaudreau had 64 at 22 he had 78. Bratt had 30 and 32 respectively. I dislike isolating single seasons. I prefer looking at 3 year windows. It paints a more accurate picture. Tkachuk isn't a 104 point player, but he's not a 43 point player like he was the year before either. The average will probably be right in the middle in that 70-80 point region.

 

[HBK27]

this year Fiala was 1 to UFA. Next summer Bratt will be 1 to UFA. Expect something similar in a trade of he dies well.

Except that Minnesota had zero cap space to take back any NHL players in the deal given the Parise/Sutter cap hits. If the Devils decide to trade Bratt next offseason, I think they'd be more interested in getting a player back as part of the deal versus only futures.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

There is truth in what you are saying. But you also picked out the worst season of Gaudreau's career. At 21 Gaudreau had 64 at 22 he had 78. Bratt had 30 and 32 respectively. I dislike isolating single seasons. I prefer looking at 3 year windows. It paints a more accurate picture. Tkachuk isn't a 104 point player, but he's not a 43 point player like he was the year before either. The average will probably be right in the middle in that 70-80 point region.

Look at Bratt's ice time and deployment in those prior seasons.

His 5v5 p/60 have been consistently elite:

20 y/o - 2.23
21 y/o - 2.21
22 y/o - 1.88
23 y/o - 2.90

Honestly, he's still not getting nearly enough ice time. This past year was actually the only season of Gaudreau's career where surpassed Bratt's 5v5 p/60 as a 23 y/o.

 

[Guffman]

Tkachuk is an elite complimentary offensive player. I like a lot about his game. I just put a really big premium on play drivers who can transport the puck.

When you look at Bratt's production in his 23 y/o season (73p in 76gp), it compares very well to the 23 y/o seasons of guys like Panarin (77p in 80gp), Kaprizov (51p in 55gp), Kane (66p in 82gp), and Gaudreau (61p in 72gp)

OK, so you took Bratt’s 5th year in the NHL (the others were low 30 point campaigns) and say his “23rd year old season compares very well” to these other superstars? Let’s take a more detailed look:

- Panarin: first season in the NHL (played in Russia). Continues to dramatically improve in each subsequent season.
- Kaprizov: first season in the NHL (played in Russia). Further explodes next season
- Gaudreau: one of his worst season - produced better in earlier and later years - down season
- Kane: his worst season - produced better in earlier and later years

That was an incredibly lazy and inappropriate comparison using stars having a down year or stars playing their first year in the NHL.

Just LOL dude.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

OK, so you took Bratt’s 5th year in the NHL (the others were low 30 point campaigns) and say his “23rd year old season compares very well” to these other superstars? Let’s take a more detailed look:

- Panarin: first season in the NHL (played in Russia). Continues to dramatically improve in each subsequent season.
- Kaprizov: first season in the NHL (played in Russia). Further explodes next season
- Gaudreau: one of his worst season - produced better in earlier and later years - down season
- Kane: his worst season - produced better in earlier and later years

That was an incredibly lazy and inappropriate comparison using stars having a down year or stars playing their first year in the NHL.

Just LOL dude.

Why is it inappropriate to compare players at the same age?

 

[Guffman]

Why is it inappropriate to compare players at the same age?

"That was an incredibly lazy and inappropriate comparison using stars having a down year or stars playing their first year in the NHL."

 

[Djp]

Except that Minnesota had zero cap space to take back any NHL players in the deal given the Parise/Sutter cap hits. If the Devils decide to trade Bratt next offseason, I think they'd be more interested in getting a player back as part of the deal versus only futures.

The return will likely be equivalent to that trade. Later 1st+ B prosiect

sure you coukd make a trade thst is close to cap neutral too.

i think an issue the devils need to be careful of is cap space.

on paper you have 3+ players who could expect a high pay day in a few years….unless you could have signed Bratt to something like 4-5 years where you coukd thrn bridge other players to manage space.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

"That was an incredibly lazy and inappropriate comparison using stars having a down year or stars playing their first year in the NHL."

I'm not using down years. I'm literally using their 23 year old seasons. Panarin's production dropped the following year, so you were wrong there...

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

With Alexander Holtz poised to be Jack Hughes' running mate, Zetterlund proving to be an effective two-way forward and Hischier eventually returning from injury, where does that leave Bratt?

 

[Bone Density]

He's still the best winger on the team until proven otherwise. I'm assuming any long term deal will have a NMC/NTC so the Devils are going to make some hard choices. Especially if they want to target a guy like Meier down the road.

 

[TBF1972]

With Alexander Holtz poised to be Jack Hughes' running mate, Zetterlund proving to be an effective two-way forward and Hischier eventually returning from injury, where does that leave Bratt?

who needs more than one line of forwards?

make your offers for mercer, palat, haula, sharangovich, wood, tatar, mcleod, bastian.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

who needs more than one line of forwards?

make your offers for mercer, palat, haula, sharangovich, wood, tatar, mcleod, bastian.

Those forwards all fill specific roles.

If Bratt isn't playing in the offensive zone, he doesn't provide much.

 

[TBF1972]

Those forwards all fill specific roles.

If Bratt isn't playing in the offensive zone, he doesn't provide much.

providing offense is no specific role?

 

[Nocashstyle]

With Alexander Holtz poised to be Jack Hughes' running mate, Zetterlund proving to be an effective two-way forward and Hischier eventually returning from injury, where does that leave Bratt?

Are you really insinuating that Zetterlund is going to take Bratt’s spot? Lol