Proposal: Jeremy Swayman for Casey Mittlestadt, Isak Rosen and a 2nd.

[UncleRico]

Swayman isn’t going to get cozens and middlestadt won’t get swayman

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Swayman isn’t going to get cozens and middlestadt won’t get swayman

Bingo.

 

[Hookslide]

I have been wrong before but I cannot see the Bruins trading a goaltender of Swaymans caliber to Buffalo and the reason is Buffalo is not your Sabres team of the past they are a real serious threat and a solid goaltender could make them more dangerous.

 

[DatDude44]

Aquiring Swayman requires more value going to Boston. Even if he's the backup for the next 2 or 3 years, Mitts plus isn't something the Bruins really need.

Don’t disagree with the thought of mitts plus not being worth in geberal but I think You’re undervaluing Rosen a bit my dude. I see him as the meat of this deal.

Value wise it’s more than fair for boston

Logically in terms of helping Boston win a cup I’m not sure this makes sense at all unless they have a backup replacement in mind. Also not sure how/where mittelstadt fits into their lineup.

But 3+ years down the line I think bruins faithful would be happy with the Rosen acquisition and obvi ya never know with the 2nd, tho historically Boston has done pretty well in that area lol I think Bergeron and krejci were 2nds right?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

 

[DatDude44]

That a bit snuggaRUDE

 

[bert]

Bruins say no

They say yes in a heartbeat thats so much for a goalie. Goalies just dont have as much value in trades look at all the goalie trades over the last decade.

 

[Mrfenn92]

They say yes in a heartbeat thats so much for a goalie. Goalies just dont have as much value in trades look at all the goalie trades over the last decade.

They say no because they have no need to trade him.

 

[bert]

There hasn't been a goalie the caliber and age of Swayman traded outside of Schneider and he got the 9th overall pick

How did that work out for NJ. Id say this return is better anyway....

They say no because they have no need to trade him.

Thats fair, I think the return is good though.

 

[Mrfenn92]

How did that work out for NJ. Id say this return is better anyway....

Thats fair, I think the return is good though.

Understood.

 

[bert]

A guy who's having his first 55pt season at 24, a but of a failing prospect so far and a second is better than the 9th overall? Considering Debrincat just recently got a 9th overall pick id say that it's not even close.

And that trade was great for NJ the first two seasons before Schneider had some injuries IIRC and his play fell off a cliff

Rosen isnt a failing prospect. 55 points for a 24 year old is bad? he was a late bloomer physically. Debrincat was three picks, 7th, 38th and somewhere in the 75 range. I get you dont like the deal for your team which is fine but you arent really being very genuine with your argument. I am not a Sabres fan, I am neutral here. I think it makes sense for the Bruins but if you dont thats ok.

 

[DapperCam]

They say no because they have no need to trade him.

I’m not saying they say yes, but the Bruins absolutely have a need to trade him or make some hard decisions this summer. If the Bruins want to allocate a high cap number for their backup G, then they will need to compensate for that elsewhere on the roster.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I’m not saying they say yes, but the Bruins absolutely have a need to trade him or make some hard decisions this summer. If the Bruins want to allocate a high cap number for their backup G, then they will need to compensate for that elsewhere on the roster.

Understood

 

[wintersej]

I’m not saying they say yes, but the Bruins absolutely have a need to trade him or make some hard decisions this summer. If the Bruins want to allocate a high cap number for their backup G, then they will need to compensate for that elsewhere on the roster.

Yup, if Swayman comes in at 4 AAV, Bruins will be top 5 in goalie spending when they already are going to be near the top in D spending. Something is gonna have to give, for sure. It's just way too early to be having these conversations until Boston knows how these playoffs go, what the final cap number is, and what Bergeron and Krejci are planning to do. I'm sure Bruins fans will be very active on the trade boards come the offseason.

Regardless of what Boston does, Middlestat just isn't a Bruins type player and doesn't make sense for a team with Marchand, DeBrusk, Hall, and Lauko as left shot wingers and Zacha and Frederic as guys who do LW/C like Middlestat does. There just isn't a place for Middlestat on the Bruins roster.

 

[PastaBaked]

Buffalo should be ready to engage WIN NOW mode next season. Really, they should have backed their young, talented core this year and became they didn't, their season has fallen flat.
Swayman is THE elite young GT in the NHL, a guy who looks likely to be a top 10 GT for the foreseeable future.
Yes, GT can be volatile and their career trajectory unpredictable; but Swayman is as good a bet as you can make for the next 5 years.
I'm struggling to understand how any Buffalo fan can seriously lobby for a totally unproven prospect in Levi, especially as the Sabres are truly awful at goalie development.

It's likely moot anyhow, don't think these teams really want to help each other out and create another barrier to getting out of the Atlantic.

 

[StrompTroller]

Rosen is absolutely dropping in terms of value since being drafted and I don't see how that can be argued. He had a whopping 2G and 2A last year and left Sweden entirely this year after playing poorly.

A 24 year old whos only just now hitting 55pts for his first time doesn't hold much value. Thats just a meh 2nd/3rd liner.

A 2nd is a 2nd

How exactly is that worth more than a 9th overall pick?

a 24 yar old hitting 55 points that can play up and down a lineup including playing center is not chump change. In fact it's arguably worth more to an every day roster than a BACKUP goalie is. You don't like or want the player thats fine, many other people have said the same thing. Keep both goalies and cut losses with all your team depth to be cap compliant then. If losing Coyle and half your defense is the better option than trading away your back up goalie then own it. Helps the Sabres anyways lol

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Buffalo should just offer sheet Sway.

 

[GCK]

Buffalo should just offer sheet Sway.

So shout a number of teams. I’m not sure Boston could match a 3 x 4M offer sheet.

 

[GCK]

They easily could and would

Okay thanks. I thought they were going to be pretty tight for cap space with the Kreiji and Bergeron bonuses carrying over to next year.

 

[StrompTroller]

If you consider Swayman just a backup goalie then I don't know how to help you.

But I guess watching the Sabres for the last decade has probably skewed your vision on what a good player/team actually is.


They easily could and would

lol is he starting for yall yes or no?

 

[UncleRico]

They say yes in a heartbeat thats so much for a goalie. Goalies just dont have as much value in trades look at all the goalie trades over the last decade.

For middlestadt, Rosen and a 2nd? No that’s not enough for swayman.

Martin Jones got the bruins a first and had much less value than swayman. Bruins aren’t giving up a goalie of swaymans caliber for a 3rd line center, a center who projects and an 3rd liner and a 2nd round pick.

If someone wants swayman it’s going to return a top 6 center. Not a bunch of marginal parts put together as one piece

 

[bert]

For middlestadt, Rosen and a 2nd? No that’s not enough for swayman.

Martin Jones got the bruins a first and had much less value than swayman. Bruins aren’t giving up a goalie of swaymans caliber for a 3rd line center, a center who projects and an 3rd liner and a 2nd round pick.

If someone wants swayman it’s going to return a top 6 center. Not a bunch of marginal parts put together as one piece

Rosen was just picked in the first round 14th OA. Is having a great rookie season in the AHL as a 19 year old. These evaluations are really strange to me. They arent remotely accurate. Now you can say you dont like it as a Bruins fan which is fine but like your fellow fans these arent realistic or accurate descriptions of the players in the deal. I have no dog in this fight. This would be a large return for a goalie especially one that isnt remotely close to as good as Ulmark this year. Is Swayman really good? Or is he just on a good team. When there is this type of discrepancy with no other barometer how do we know for sure.

 

[bert]

It would cause them to have to move someone, but if it came down to say paying for Forbort to go or taking a 2nd for Swayman then its a very easy choice


Was Rask just a backup goalie in 2010?


Hds having an ok rookie season after playing horrible in Sweden for the past 1.5 years

He was drafted in 2021. For a 19 year old thats a fantastic AHL season for your first year in North America. His second half has also been alot better than the first, he is clearly developing with an upward trajectory.

 

[dredeye]

So shout a number of teams. I’m not sure Boston could match a 3 x 4M offer sheet.

thay could and would withought a second thought

 

[is the answer jesus]

Rosen is absolutely dropping in terms of value since being drafted and I don't see how that can be argued. He had a whopping 2G and 2A last year and left Sweden entirely this year after playing poorly.

A 24 year old whos only just now hitting 55pts for his first time doesn't hold much value. Thats just a meh 2nd/3rd liner.

Rosen just turned 20 years old. If he's valued as some sort of depreciating asset by another team I'd be just fine keeping him and letting him develop. He was always going to need a bit more time to develop than your typical high 1st rounder.
With Mittelstadt this is a bit of a breakout year for him and I think there's still potential for more. I'd think there'd be a bigger market for him than you realize. He's young, cheap, has shown that he can be a middle 6 player, and he plays center. It wasn't all that long ago he was touted as one of the most talented prospects in the game. Again if a team looks at him and sees little value I'm just fine keeping the player.