Proposal: Jeremy Swayman for Casey Mittlestadt, Isak Rosen and a 2nd.

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Flyers and the Sabres make great trading partners imo. A Hart /Ivan package should be of great interest to the Sabres.

They have picks, prospects, and NHL level young guys they can deal without leaving the cupboard bare.
 
That seems like a lot.

Sure, that's maybe what it takes to pry him away - but I don't think Buffalo would offer that.
I know the Bruins fans on here want the sabers best prospects, but can we pause for a second… What is the Sabres motivation for trading one of their top forward prospects who is on fire right now? They literally have who they think is going to be a star goaltender that just got signed to the team… They’re not going to trade a top prospect for a bridge goalie. It’s not gonna happen so I’m not really quite sure what the discussion is even going on here for… If they can get to him in for a lower level prospect and a second round pick for a couple second round picks… Then we’re talking but we don’t need a 24 year old goalie. We’re fine with a 28 or 29 that can bridge for two years or even less until Levi is a stud in full form. I mean they could’ve drafted Wallstadt with a pick they got for Risto but it’s pretty clear they knew they were getting Levi from Florida so they went to a different direction. I think this whole conversation is sort of moot because we don’t have the motivation to make this trade and give up one of our prospects that is good.

Plus our GM basically just said that Savoie embodies everything that the Sabres are trying to be. Do you really think he wants to trade that guy? A guy that’s playing closer right now to when he was linked to the top five then where he ended up being drafted number nine? The guy is literally in almost 2.25 points per game piece or more in the last few months since he finally got healthy. They’re not trading that dude who also has great to his game and is a puck hound. Let it go bruins fans…not gonna happen. Also, goalies just don’t have the value that do you think they do. I’d rather offer sheet him for a First and a third level. And if you say, maybe he won’t sign with buffalo… Then why are we trading for him in the first place? If he’s just gonna sign after trade a rfa one or two year deal, a trade is not worth it.
 
Should be Savoie + 2nd
Try 2 x 2nds - not our top prospect or top three prospect. Did any of the high-level RFA trades for scoring forwards or defenseman get anyone’s top 3 Prospect? Meier? Chychrun? We think that a 24 year old goalie who is currently playing back up minutes he’s gonna get that? When he has a super power team in front of him that pumps his numbers? Fat chance… Try again.

True enough, but that save percentage has jumped .020 percent, is my point. .917 to .937. So if Swayman is at .920 and sees an equivalent dip going the other way.. suddenly he’s at .900, and that ain’t good starter material.

That’s why goalies are voodoo- coaching, system, and mental game are so key, you can’t just plug and play them assuming the same results in different rosters.
Exactly this - colored glasses, looking at his production with the Bruins. Look at many of the goalies that went from great teams in front of them to average teams… They’re not as great anymore.
 
Try 2 x 2nds - not our top prospect or top three prospect. Did any of the high-level RFA trades for scoring forwards or defenseman get anyone’s top 3 Prospect? Meier? Chychrun? We think that a 24 year old goalie who is currently playing back up minutes he’s gonna get that? When he has a super power team in front of him that pumps his numbers? Fat chance… Try again.





Exactly this - colored glasses, looking at his production with the Bruins. Look at many of the goalies that went from great teams in front of them to average teams… They’re not as great anymore.
savoie is around horvat who was the 9th OA pick at the draft for Schneider

swayman should get scneider value

 
savoie is around horvat who was the 9th OA pick at the draft for Schneider

swayman should get scneider value
That was how many years ago? Diff league, more analytics that prove goalies are voodoo - also savioe is much higher end offense. Plus we don’t need swayman to get a long term #1. We need a good number 1 for 1-2 years for Levi to get ready. Why would we give up our #1 prospect ?????

Y’all have a different agenda than we do - just bc Swayman would be great doesn’t mean we need exactly him nor we’d be interested in paying anywhere close to what you want. Y’all have a cap problem to navigate not us / that if anything lowers the price. If not, go with god - there are other goalies we can trade for
 
That was how many years ago? Diff league, more analytics that prove goalies are voodoo - also savioe is much higher end offense. Plus we don’t need swayman to get a long term #1. We need a good number 1 for 1-2 years for Levi to get ready. Why would we give up our #1 prospect ?????

Y’all have a different agenda than we do - just bc Swayman would be great doesn’t mean we need exactly him nor we’d be interested in paying anywhere close to what you want. Y’all have a cap problem to navigate not us / that if anything lowers the price. If not, go with god - there are other goalies we can trade for
What happens if Levi is slow to develop or doesn't have the goods? at the NHL level? Then several years are wasted. Buff needs a goalie and they are a playoff team who can do some damage. Add another D to boot and who knows.

If you add Hart or Swayman you can always move them when/if Levi is ready to roll.
 
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What happens if Levi is slow to develop or doesn't have the goods? at the NHL level? Then several years are wasted. Buff needs a goalie and they are a playoff team who can do some damage. Add another D to boot and who knows.

If you add Hart or Swayman you can always move them when/if Levi is ready to roll.
We don’t need them at the cost suggested - upl, 1st in 24, bay 2 you want, Rosen, mittelstadt, olofsson other b level prospects are all available for a goalie trade - but not the 23 1st or one of our top 3 prospects
 
True enough, but that save percentage has jumped .020 percent, is my point. .917 to .937. So if Swayman is at .920 and sees an equivalent dip going the other way.. suddenly he’s at .900, and that ain’t good starter material.

That’s why goalies are voodoo- coaching, system, and mental game are so key, you can’t just plug and play them assuming the same results in different rosters.

Last year Linus had the exact same 917 he had the season before with Buffalo. This idea that being in Boston will magically add 20 points to any goalies save percentage doesn’t hold up to the slightest slightest scrutiny.

In reality, Ullmark has gotten so much better at moving laterally and making sure he doesn’t open up holes this season after working with Bob Essensa.
 
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Last year Linus had the exact same 917 he had the season before with Buffalo. This idea that being in Boston will magically add 20 points to any goalies save percentage doesn’t hold up to the slightest slightest scrutiny.

In reality, Ullmark has gotten so much better at moving laterally and making sure he doesn’t open up holes this season after working with Bob Essensa.
Ullmark would give me a heart attack nearly every game he played last season. Was not confident in him at all. He's just flat out better this year. Positioning is night and day.

People only want to give him any credit because of the team he plays for and not for how much the team relies on him and how much he has actually improved his game . Bob Essensa doesn't get nearly enough credit, definitely one of the better goalie coaches in the league. Maybe he could teach the PP a thing or two 🫢
 
For the bruins center problem they could be the third or forth team to try him at center, he looked good doing it on the Oilers idk why the experiment stopped and then restarted over and over
 
Buffalo has its goalie of the future in Devon Levi , I agree with signing someone like Fredrick Anderson to a 2 year contract to let Levi develop in The AHL for at least a full season in the AHL and then roll with UPL or Comrie as the backup next season
 
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Bruins have Ullmark for 3 more years after this. Swayman is going to be looking for a bigger role/payday and the Bruins might not want to tie up so much cap in 2 goaltenders.

Mittlestadt is on a team friendly deal and Rosen is a first rounder who is having a quietly good season in the AHL as an 18 year old.
Pass. Mittlestadt just doesn’t move the needle as a piece and Rosen isn’t a need with the Bruins already having Lysell.

Need a 2023 1st or a C prospect with higher upside than Mittlestadt coming back especially from a division rival.
 
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Pass. Mittlestadt just doesn’t move the needle as a piece and Rosen isn’t a need with the Bruins already having Lysell.

Need a 2023 1st or a C prospect with higher upside than Mittlestadt coming back especially from a division rival.
Good luck with that - you’re not getting it from
Buffalo. Also I think you are vastly underestimating how good mittelstadt has been this year. I actually don’t think BUF has any desire to trade him at all and he has been our best player in a few games recently including today. Either way - you’re not getting a better C prospect for a backup goalie in 2023…plus a 2 and a recent 1st who is performing well in the AHL

Also prospect redundancy? That’s a HF boards thing not a real life thing unless it’s a major major trade (which no offense swayman is not…) or swapping types of equivalent prospects. So you only need one prospect who is mostly good at offense ( and don’t want the guy who was clearly better than your guy this at the WJC?…ok….)

Also again …Levi - why are we still talking about this with your unrealistic trade goals from The bruins end??? We don’t need your 24 yo goalie to be our goalie of the future just an average to above average guy of any age for 1-2 years
 
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That was how many years ago? Diff league, more analytics that prove goalies are voodoo - also savioe is much higher end offense. Plus we don’t need swayman to get a long term #1. We need a good number 1 for 1-2 years for Levi to get ready. Why would we give up our #1 prospect ?????

Y’all have a different agenda than we do - just bc Swayman would be great doesn’t mean we need exactly him nor we’d be interested in paying anywhere close to what you want. Y’all have a cap problem to navigate not us / that if anything lowers the price. If not, go with god - there are other goalies we can trade for
Re bolded… the Sabres‘ performance on D is beyond pitiful: at this point in the season, you have been scored on some 60-70 MORE goals than a good playoff-bound team, and there’s still some 10 games to go in the regular season, so it‘s likely it’s even going to get worse. With this kind of performance on D, you won’t see the playoffs until you are a grandparent. A young, “great“ goalie is one of the most important things you need and would indeed start to address your most glaring weakness. If you don‘t want to pay for one, that‘s fine, but you sure do need someone like Swayman. As far as I am concerned, I hope we can keep running with a Ullmark-Swayman tandem for a long time, but if we were to shop Swayman, he‘s one heck of a boost to a team whose defense has more holes than my nation‘s most known cheese. And being a division rival, getting him wouldn‘t come exactly cheap, obviously.
 
Which is my im on board with the trading Ullmark before Swayman if it does come to trading one of the goalies.

There aren't any top 6C available that we would be able to afford barring them having some kind of random great season with us or them taking a massive discount.

Trading Forbort and getting rid of Reilly has to happen even before finding a top 6C replacement. We simply don't have the money available as is.

Zacha can potentially fill in at 2C and you hope one of the young guys can make the jump to a top 6W or Frederic keeps improving, which would be a massive help.

A lot is going to depend on how much the Cap goes up and/or what kind of offers teams will give the Bruins for either goalie.

Either way, we don't "need" to trade either goalie, but I'm not sure we have the luxury of having a guy making $4-5M sitting on the bench half of the games.


100% Debrusk is not being moved before either goalie. Especially at his cap hit.
DeBrusk has one more year left on his contract, he is going to cost a lot more than he is getting next year 4 mil looks like bargain now.......
 
They aren't going to have a choice. Amongst Lohrei, Zboril, Lysell, Beecher, McLaughlin, Lauko and Merkulov, 5 of them will be on the team because 6 out of 7 of Swayman, Forbort, Gryz, Hall, Hathaway, Bertuzzi and Reilly won't be back.

Its more than likely Bergeron comes back on an identical deal next year and Foligno
comes back at $1M. Ideally u want to keep Swayman and Orlov.
I think you prediction is going to be close to what happens. Mine is they keep Swayman and Hathaway and move Coyle in addition to the others. Oh yeah, please do not be stupid and desperate enough to keep the incredibly awful Zboril.
 
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Bruins probably aren’t trading Swayman anyway, but it’s even less likely they’re trading him in the division. If they traded him out of conf, maybe Chicago would work. Drew Commesso and Tampa’s 1st.
 
I think you prediction is going to be close to what happens. Mine is they keep Swayman and Hathaway and move Coyle in addition to the others. Oh yeah, please do not be stupid and desperate enough to keep the incredibly awful Zboril.
Who is going to replace Coyle , and now that he is on the pk more to lessen Bergeys load ...........
 
It's a good, educated question. I bet you they acquire Granlund or someone like him on the cheap. Yes, Coyle has a role or two on the team, but if you have to dump money, he has to be one of the first places you look.
Sorry , but I totally disagree..........
 
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