Proposal: Jeremy Swayman for Casey Mittlestadt, Isak Rosen and a 2nd.

[Beerz]

savoie is around horvat who was the 9th OA pick at the draft for Schneider

swayman should get scneider value

Just because a trade happened once 10 years ago doesn't make it "the market".

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

For the bruins center problem they could be the third or forth team to try him at center, he looked good doing it on the Oilers idk why the experiment stopped and then restarted over and over

Swayman Mittelstadt or Rosen?

 

[BFLO]

Bruins fans hilariously out of touch on the value of young centers and highly touted center prospects!

Like you honestly think a 22 year old 6’3” 70 point center signed to a sweetheart 7x$7 deal is worth a borderline starter, unsigned RFA goalie?

I guess that’s what happens when you’ve had the same #1 and #2 centers for like 15 years.

 

[ON3M4N]

Bruins fans hilariously out of touch on the value of young centers and highly touted center prospects!

Like you honestly think a 22 year old 6’3” 70 point center signed to a sweetheart 7x$7 deal is worth a borderline starter, unsigned RFA goalie?

I guess that’s what happens when you’ve had the same #1 and #2 centers for like 15 years.
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Imagine thinking Swayman is a "borderline starter" when he's put up top 10 numbers since entering the league and he's only 24yrs old

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Bruins fans hilariously out of touch on the value of young centers and highly touted center prospects!

Like you honestly think a 22 year old 6’3” 70 point center signed to a sweetheart 7x$7 deal is worth a borderline starter, unsigned RFA goalie?

I guess that’s what happens when you’ve had the same #1 and #2 centers for like 15 years.
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I know, its tough keeping up with what good hockey management looks like when you haven't seen any for 2 decades

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Imagine thinking Swayman is a "borderline starter" when he's put up top 10 numbers since entering the league and he's only 24yrs old

Swayman is a legit stud . Anyone trying to downplay his youth combined w skill is misinformed. I agree it wouldn’t cost Cozens but the op package is laughable. Guys like him are never available…

 

[StrompTroller]

I'd trade Cozens for maybe one Bruin...Mcavoy. Even then my gut says nahh. If the trade doesnt line up for both teams thats cool I have even bit of confidence Levi will be a stud and possibly sooner than later. Cheers

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I'd trade Cozens for maybe one Bruin...Mcavoy. Even then my gut says nahh. If the trade doesnt line up for both teams thats cool I have even bit of confidence Levi will be a stud and possibly sooner than later. Cheers

Levi looks like he’ll be a good one but sometimes they take time . Goalies are voodoo

 

[Zach716]

Imagine thinking Swayman is a "borderline starter" when he's put up top 10 numbers since entering the league and he's only 24yrs old

So you just ignore everything else he said

 

[StrompTroller]

Levi looks like he’ll be a good one but sometimes they take time . Goalies are voodoo

Yet here we are in a trade proposal for an underaged goalie....

 

[ON3M4N]

So you just ignore everything else he said

Well I figured I'd only comment on the part I disagreed with

 

[Satanphonehome]

Schneider is pretty much the only comparable goalie traded in the past 15 years. He was a little older and more proven.

Based on that, one could make a case for proper value being the Sabres 1st pick this year, but there is a reason goalies don’t get moved for 1st-rounders any more.

If I were the Bruins, I’d be trading Ullmark, not Swayman. If I were the Sabres I‘d be looking at investing a lesser asset to target a bridge to Levi.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Yet here we are in a trade proposal for an underaged goalie....

Underaged ? He’s 24 . Seems pretty ideal no ? Lights out first 2 years . I think Schneider is comparable situationally and he went for a top 10 pic . I think swayman has more staying power but time will tell .

 

[Satanphonehome]

I certainly wouldn’t trade Swayman for the OP package, but let’s not kid ourselves that it’s a dogshit offer.

Mittlestadt is 24-year-old who is going to put up about 50 points this year for just $2.5 million, Rosen is still a boy physically but he’s got a lot of skill and was a top 15 pick less than 2 years ago. And a 2nd is a 2nd.

The package is significantly better than what teams gave up for guys like Georgiev or Husso or Vanecek. In fact, I’d say it would be the most paid for a goalie since the Schneider trade.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

Ullmark is having a Hasek-ian season because of the team he's playing behind. Swayman is getting that same benefit. Not saying Swayman is bad, or doesn't have value, but he's not anywhere worth Cozens.

 

[StrompTroller]

Underaged ? He’s 24 . Seems pretty ideal no ? Lights out first 2 years . I think Schneider is comparable situationally and he went for a top 10 pic . I think swayman has more staying power but time will tell .

24 for a starting goalie is young...

Regardless hes not fetching cozens.

 

[BKarchitect]

Ullmark is having a Hasek-ian season because of the team he's playing behind. Swayman is getting that same benefit. Not saying Swayman is bad, or doesn't have value, but he's not anywhere worth Cozens.

True, awesome team and defense but Swayman has been awesome at literally every level and every stop of his entire career. His trajectory and ability to adapt and become a high-level player at each step up is filthy. He’s absolutely on the shortlist of top U25 goalies in the world.

Nobody except some Leafs fan thinks Swayman has the trade value of Cozens. But the Bruins would be idiots to deal him, period, unless for severe overpayment. This has Rask in reverse level “bite them in the arse” regret written all over it if he’s dealt, continues to be stellar for his new team and Ullmark goes back to being what he has been for pretty much all his career.

 

[Eddie Munson]

Good luck with that - you’re not getting it from
Buffalo. Also I think you are vastly underestimating how good mittelstadt has been this year. I actually don’t think BUF has any desire to trade him at all and he has been our best player in a few games recently including today. Either way - you’re not getting a better C prospect for a backup goalie in 2023…plus a 2 and a recent 1st who is performing well in the AHL

Also prospect redundancy? That’s a HF boards thing not a real life thing unless it’s a major major trade (which no offense swayman is not…) or swapping types of equivalent prospects. So you only need one prospect who is mostly good at offense ( and don’t want the guy who was clearly better than your guy this at the WJC?…ok….)

Also again …Levi - why are we still talking about this with your unrealistic trade goals from The bruins end??? We don’t need your 24 yo goalie to be our goalie of the future just an average to above average guy of any age for 1-2 years

The fact that you can say Buffalo may not even contemplate trading Mittlestadt because he has been your best player in a few recent games. But that your prospect WAS better than our prospect at the WJC while ignoring that our prospect IS outperforming your prospect now. So which is it? Does current performance trump previous? Or do you just get to pick and choose based on which argument you're trying to make?

Then you call Swayman a backup goalie but add the caveat "in 2023" because deep down you know the guy is going to be a starter. Was Rask valued any less in 2011 playing backup to god mode Thomas? And please don't get me started on the notion that prospect redundancy isn't a thing...... oh unless it's Buffalo and they don't need another goalie because and I quote "....Levi."

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

24 for a starting goalie is young...

Regardless hes not fetching cozens.

Never claimed he was . There are actually multiple posts indicating as such

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

The fact that you can say Buffalo may not even contemplate trading Mittlestadt because he has been your best player in a few recent games. But that your prospect WAS better than our prospect at the WJC while ignoring that our prospect IS outperforming your prospect now. So which is it? Does current performance trump previous? Or do you just get to pick and choose based on which argument you're trying to make?

Then you call Swayman a backup goalie but add the caveat "in 2023" because deep down you know the guy is going to be a starter. Was Rask valued any less in 2011 playing backup to god mode Thomas? And please don't get me started on the notion that prospect redundancy isn't a thing...... oh unless it's Buffalo and they don't need another goalie because and I quote "....Levi."

As a Sabres fan, I would be all over this, especially if the second is 2024 and not the Flyers pick this year.

 

[AvroArrow]

Goalies will NEVER have that value.

Goalies or Swayman ? There's plenty of goalies that have more value than Cozens.

 

[ON3M4N]

Ullmark is having a Hasek-ian season because of the team he's playing behind. Swayman is getting that same benefit. Not saying Swayman is bad, or doesn't have value, but he's not anywhere worth Cozens.

I mean sure, Ullmark is putting up maybe the best season since Price won the Hart in '14-'15, but Ullmark had solid numbers last year as well and the Bruins were a wild card team. Last season among goalies with 30gp he was 9th in SV% and 10th in GSAA/60. I'm sure the counter to that is "well its still Boston" so lets look at his last season in Buffalo. Among goalies with 20gp (only a 56 game season) he was 11th in SV% & 10th in GSAA/60 and Buffalo was the worst team in the league.

Buffalo '20-'21 Season
% of games won
w/ Ullmark = 45%
w/o Ullmark = 16%

% of games BUF got a point
w/ Ullmark = 60%
w/o Ullmark = 27%

Ullmark was a good goalie before going to Boston, he was just overlooked because he played for one of the worst teams in the NHL. There have easily been half a dozen or so games this year where Ullmark flat out stole a game for the Bruins because the team was playing like crap. As for Swayman, his numbers were nearly identical to Ullmark last year. The year prior when Swayman broke into the NHL, he had the 10th highest GSAA despite only playing 10 games. For Reference, Rask was 25th in GSAA & Halak was 59th in GSAA. Now I'm not saying that Swayman is worth Cozens, but I also wouldn't discredit what he or Ullmark have done because of "the team they play behind" when those two have stolen a fair share of games this season.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

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The fact that you can say Buffalo may not even contemplate trading Mittlestadt because he has been your best player in a few recent games. But that your prospect WAS better than our prospect at the WJC while ignoring that our prospect IS outperforming your prospect now. So which is it? Does current performance trump previous? Or do you just get to pick and choose based on which argument you're trying to make?

Then you call Swayman a backup goalie but add the caveat "in 2023" because deep down you know the guy is going to be a starter. Was Rask valued any less in 2011 playing backup to god mode Thomas? And please don't get me started on the notion that prospect redundancy isn't a thing...... oh unless it's Buffalo and they don't need another goalie because and I quote "....Levi."

Desire to trade = actively looking to trade not won’t trade. In any case, this horse is completely dead… Instead of laughing at folks, why don’t you just move on and admit this deal is not gonna be made because we don’t want to give up what you want.

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The fact that you can say Buffalo may not even contemplate trading Mittlestadt because he has been your best player in a few recent games. But that your prospect WAS better than our prospect at the WJC while ignoring that our prospect IS outperforming your prospect now. So which is it? Does current performance trump previous? Or do you just get to pick and choose based on which argument you're trying to make?

Then you call Swayman a backup goalie but add the caveat "in 2023" because deep down you know the guy is going to be a starter. Was Rask valued any less in 2011 playing backup to god mode Thomas? And please don't get me started on the notion that prospect redundancy isn't a thing...... oh unless it's Buffalo and they don't need another goalie because and I quote "....Levi."

Desire to trade = actively looking to trade not won’t trade. In any case, this horse is completely dead… Instead of laughing at folks, why don’t you just move on and admit this deal is not gonna be made because we don’t want to give up what you want.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

Goalies or Swayman ? There's plenty of goalies that have more value than Cozens.

Not in a trade they don’t…I think that is the point. No one is trading a reproducibly top 5 goalie and everyone else is not worth that much… goalies are the running backs of the NHL… Position everyone needs but not giving a big assets to trade for. That’s why we only rarely see goalies drafted in the first round these days! They are voodoo even after they have had a good seasons, even in their mid to late 20s. Outside of three or four guys the rest of the league is just not reproducibly good from year to year.

As a Sabres fan, I would be all over this, especially if the second is 2024 and not the Flyers pick this year.

I agree and would be too - the argument from the Bruins is that offer is “ not close” for all the reasons I argued against above. They don’t think Middlestat or Rosen have any value to them that they don’t already have… Which I think is false and I think the offer is very good for a goalie That’s playing 30 games a year. But like I said, this horses beat dead as they want Cozens or Savoie , which is just not gonna happen and is not based in value in the real world

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

That’s a easy no for the sabres

Sabres take a swing for Swayman
Bruins swing back for Cozens
Answer is likely somewhere in the middle, but I don't know if there's a comparable/available player available.

Middlestadt is not enough, and it would be more of a quality vs quantity situation, and not seeing a great fit.