Value of: Jeff Petry (with or without retention)

[66-30-33]

I'll miss Petry on the Pens, I thought he did a good job manning the 2RD spot and when he was hurt he was clearly missed on the backend. But hey, give me Karlsson.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

I'll miss Petry on the Pens, I thought he did a good job manning the 2RD spot and when he was hurt he was clearly missed on the backend. But hey, give me Karlsson.

This, he wasn't bad but you gotta give to get and give me Karlsson over Petry any day.

 

[Lockin17]

What team could be interested in Jeff Petry RHD at 50% 2.3mil x 2 years ?

And what would be the price.
Petry could be a top 4 or top 6 in a team with tight cap space..

Maybe Tampa bay ?

maybe a 2nd pick 2025 ?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Value of: - Jeff Petry (with or without retention)

I'll miss Petry on the Pens, I thought he did a good job manning the 2RD spot and when he was hurt he was clearly missed on the backend. But hey, give me Karlsson.

forums.hfboards.com

There is literally a thread on this already on the front page.

 

[Fatass]

Maybe his value is highest at the 2025 TDL as a coming UFA?

 

[McSuper]

Montreal is the winners here. The got retention on Petry and are in a position to to retain on him making him an attractive piece to a playoff team.

San Jose turned down a better offer from the Oilers last season but I am guessing the owner wouldn't allow a trade that required more then 1.5 million to be retained.

The Pens I am not sure this was a move for them to make at this stage. Their core is aging and will decline faster than Russia oil sales. I guess they have nothing to lose by taking the chance on another cup run. I don't think Dubas is a very good GM. He only got TML beyond the 1st round of the playoffs once and they have a good to great core.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

I think Petry at full salary would have mediocre value right now just due to the current cap situation with most teams. But if they retained 50% on his deal, they're definitely getting at least 2 2nds in value back for him. Petry at $2.3 million is a hell of a value.

Nobody’s paying two seconds for a guy turning 36 in December and didn’t have a great tenure in Pittsburgh. They’ll be lucky to get one second.

 

[namttebih]

Petry would’ve been given a promise (by Montreal) that he’s not going anywhere, just to agree to this trade. So unless that deal happens today, and was always part of this, with his blessing, he’s playing in Montreal for the next 2 seasons.

The only way he agrees to another trade, for the 3rd time in 3 years, is if he’s having such a horrible time in Montreal, and at that point he won’t be worth anything anyway.

Unless it's prior to the season starting.

 

[66-30-33]

Nobody’s paying two seconds for a guy turning 36 in December and didn’t have a great tenure in Pittsburgh. They’ll be lucky to get one second.

What are you talking about? Petry was good in Pittsburgh. Maybe not peak Petry but he will be missed.

 

[danyhabsfan]

Nobody’s paying two seconds for a guy turning 36 in December and didn’t have a great tenure in Pittsburgh. They’ll be lucky to get one second.

31 pts in 61 games +2

about 45th in PPG for defenseman
He's 3rd defenseman at worst

 

[Junohockeyfan]

31 pts in 61 games +2

about 45th in PPG for defenseman
He's 3rd defenseman at worst

I don't think he has the stamina anymore to play 26minutes / night as he did for the Habs during the cup run. He should be in the 22 minutes mark per game which is a solid 2nd pairing dman. At 6.25M he was overpaid. At 4.6M he's probably where he should be.

 

[smirob]

A lot of teams would be interested in Petry at around 2.3M

 

[Hockey Dad]

I would take Petry on Dallas all day long.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Probably no value at his full hit, but he would probably have good value at 50%. Or he might be able to be moved for a player who needs a change of scenery. Not sure how many takers there would be with nothing else attached, just because of the lack of cap space out there. I cannot see a scenario where he brings back a 1st.

 

[mouser]

15 team no-trade list; not a NMC fwiw.

Does Petry have a NTC or just a no trade list? Hes been traded quite a bit for a guy with a NTC.

Its confusing. On capfriendly it shows both NTC (15 teams) and NMC. Must be a mistake and only a modified NTC.

NMC and NTC are not related, I don't think.

Petry has both a partial NTC and a partial NMC.

The partial NMC will protect against one or both of:
(a) being Waived and/or
(b) being Loaned to the AHL

These partial NMCs almost always protect against both (a) and (b). But there has been at least one exception in the past (Bobby Ryan) where a player was protected against (b) but not (a).

 

[Petes2424]

Unless it's prior to the season starting.

And that could be. In fact, I would flip a coin on that one. If Montreal and Detroit can make something happen, they probably will. The name I kept hearing was Chiarot for Petry plus, but Pittsburgh couldn’t take that money back, and Chiarot wasn’t going to waive for San Jose.

That was the same issue with other teams too. The Leafs would’ve sent Brodie, but Brodie wouldn’t go to San Jose either. In both those two situations, those were the players the Pens would’ve had to take.

It’s not that Buffalo, Detroit or the Leafs didn’t want Petry, it’s just that they weren’t taking on $6 million and not sending almost the equivalent back.

I could see Petry ending up in Detroit or Toronto now. I’m not sure about Buffalo. Think the Leafs would still want to send Brodie to Montreal but not sure Chiarot would be who Detroit would send now. Could it be Chiarot? Sure. He’s probably a better fit in Montreal, and Petry is in Detroit BUT Detroit could be up to something else with Chiarot. If that happens, and they do get a forward in return, I could absolutely see them getting Petry from Montreal.

The good thing about this going down today, is now we may start seeing other things happen now.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Trust me. Petry may not have put MTL on his NTC. But Hughes and Gorton definitely spoke to him about his intentions before the trade and have prepared in consequence (Either if he wants to be a vet for a bubble team or if he wants to be on another contender). KH and JG wouldn't do a player wrong like that. They will roughly follow Petry's intentions.

Yeah that's not what the poster I quoted was insinuating.

 

[McJedi]

Full value? He’s worth “future considerations”.

50% retained? Maybe a 2nd + conditional 4th that becomes a 3rd. That’s two seasons of retention.. that’s got value.

 

[Mersss]

And that could be. In fact, I would flip a coin on that one. If Montreal and Detroit can make something happen, they probably will. The name I kept hearing was Chiarot for Petry plus, but Pittsburgh couldn’t take that money back, and Chiarot wasn’t going to waive for San Jose.

That was the same issue with other teams too. The Leafs would’ve sent Brodie, but Brodie wouldn’t go to San Jose either. In both those two situations, those were the players the Pens would’ve had to take.

It’s not that Buffalo, Detroit or the Leafs didn’t want Petry, it’s just that they weren’t taking on $6 million and not sending almost the equivalent back.

I could see Petry ending up in Detroit or Toronto now. I’m not sure about Buffalo. Think the Leafs would still want to send Brodie to Montreal but not sure Chiarot would be who Detroit would send now. Could it be Chiarot? Sure. He’s probably a better fit in Montreal, and Petry is in Detroit BUT Detroit could be up to something else with Chiarot. If that happens, and they do get a forward in return, I could absolutely see them getting Petry from Montreal.

The good thing about this going down today, is now we may start seeing other things happen now.

Chiarot isnt a better fit, he's a LHD.

Guhle
Matheson
Harris
Xhekaj

Are penciled in as the LHDs. Chiarot isn't playing over any of them

 

[66-30-33]

A lot of teams would be interested in Petry at around 2.3M

Yes, guy is still a good dman and 2.3M for this season and next would be a steal.

 

[ML16]

Guy asked for a trade last year out of Montreal. My guess is he is not thrilled going back.

Montreal ideally wants to get under the cap before season starts so they can put Price on LTIR after the beginning of the season and avoid the complications of putting him LTIR during the offseason.

What kind of value would Petry have at its full current salary for 2 more years (4,7 millions) vs with retention up to 50% (2,35 millions)?

Montreal has enough waiver-exempt players to send down on paper to Laval to safely put Price under the cap before season starts and put him back on LTIR afterwards, so there’s no imperative to trade Petry to enact this strategy.

And since he didn’t put Montreal on his no-trade list - and wasn’t immediately traded once re-acquired - I guess the most plausible situation is that Petry will remain a Habs in the short term and be the prime candidate for a salary retention deal at TDL 2024.

At this moment, there’s hardly any market for Petry at 4.7M AAV anyways; unless a similar contract comes back in return - but the Habs likely prefer to keep the devil they know in that case.

A higher AAV UFA-to-be could however be an interesting path to explore to leverage a quality asset as incentive in an offseasln Petry swap.

Speaking of salary differential to generate value, Petry @ 2.35M AAV definitely could fetch at least moderate assets right now - Edmundson @ 1.75M AAV recently fetched a 3rd and 7th after all. But unless Petry with retention for 2 years can fetch at least a 2024 or 2025 2nd, I think he’ll start the year in Montreal.

Then again, the market is not optimal at the moment and the Habs can afford to send down some waiver-exempt defensemen a few months to wait for the RHD market to inevitably heat up before TDL 2024. Petry’s value as a 2-playoffs-run-rentral at 2.35M might then reach two 2nd or even a 1st+.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Chiarot isnt a better fit, he's a LHD.

Guhle
Matheson
Harris
Xhekaj

Are penciled in as the LHDs. Chiarot isn't playing over any of them

Chiarot is better than both Xhekaj and Harris. I still would take Wifi and Harris because Chiarot's contract is terrible tho

 

[Petes2424]

Chiarot isnt a better fit, he's a LHD.

Guhle
Matheson
Harris
Xhekaj

Are penciled in as the LHDs. Chiarot isn't playing over any of them

He’s a better fit for style of play needed over Petry, by far. Assuming we’re looking at the same group this year. Guhle has played the right side most of his life growing up and like most with his style, probably prefers it.

That division is going to be the toughest by far over the next decade. The handed thing is still one of the most overrated things. Especially on sites like this. Chiarot played the right side some last year as well.

Most LHD in the NHL played the right side a considerable amount growing up, because they were the best on their teams and in Canada especially, there’s still a huge difference between R and L players.

Teams just try doing it more now because it’s finally possible after 100 years of playing 5 or 6 LHD on teams.

 

[Treb]

Chiarot is better than both Xhekaj and Harris. I still would take Wifi and Harris because Chiarot's contract is terrible tho

If we were aiming for the cup in 2024 sure, but we're not.

 

[HuGort]

this ^ montreal will absolutely retain another 25% on his salary to move him

Worst part about retaining is it spills over into '24-25. When Habs should be contending. I'd try give Petry away instead. The 4.7m caphit would return us a first now. in this era of teams starving for caproom. Plus frees us up another 2.3m in caproom for '24-25.

Petry now at no retention has zero trade value. Dumba just signed for 3.9m. At 3.2m Petry we would get a 2nd tops, more likely a 3rd. If Montreal moves him now. But defensemen trade value usually increases near March trade deadline.