JAYCE HAWRYLUK F signs with Vancouver

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Probably amounts to nothing but it really irks me to see our team let players walk for nothing then sign or trade for guys who are worse. After a while that will bite us in the ass.
Yeah really bit us in the ass with Brian Gibbons. If we had re-signed Tyler Arnason in 2006 we definitely would have beat the Ducks in the Finals.

Hawryluk's agent said the Sens made an offer to bring him back to Ottawa but they decided on Vancouver because they thought there was more opportunity there.
Some people need to realize this isn't NHL 21.

"Why did we re-sign Peca and not him?!"

Well Peca is from the area and actually wanted to re-sign, for one thing.
 
Yeah really bit us in the ass with Brian Gibbons. If we had re-signed Tyler Arnason in 2006 we definitely would have beat the Ducks in the Finals.


Some people need to realize this isn't NHL 21.

"Why did we re-sign Peca and not him?!"

Well Peca is from the area and actually wanted to re-sign, for one thing.
We didn't send a qualifying offer. You don't need the player's permission to do that.
 
Hawryluk's agent said the Sens made an offer to bring him back to Ottawa but they decided on Vancouver because they thought there was more opportunity there.


Well now, that's interesting. Where did you see that? Not that I am questioning it. I find that to be a reasonable take

The other thing that's interesting is players wanting to be here because they see where we are in the rebuild cycle and the opportunity to play for an upcoming team
 
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I liked Hawryluk... He played well for us. He's on a 1 year 2 way with the Canucks.. He's a cheap , tenacious forward with some upside that is definitely a bottom 6er on a good team. I would not have minded him on a 2 way here but we he is a spare part.

Pretty much nailed it here. I don’t see a spot in the NHL lineup for him right now.

Would have liked to have seen him come back. Not a big deal that a player picked up on waivers a few weeks before the end of the season won’t be back. Heck he might be available on waivers again in a few months if we want him that badly.
 
Yeah really bit us in the ass with Brian Gibbons. If we had re-signed Tyler Arnason in 2006 we definitely would have beat the Ducks in the Finals.


Some people need to realize this isn't NHL 21.

"Why did we re-sign Peca and not him?!"

Well Peca is from the area and actually wanted to re-sign, for one thing.

Yeah. This is pretty close to the dumbest reply I've ever gotten so congrats on that.

Gibbons was:

1) 30 years old
2) 5'8
3) a UFA

Now if we'd let Gibbins walk in favour of re-signing a much worse player in the same position and role, then yeah it would have been a stupid move. But re-signing 30 year old5'8 career minor leaguers with no pedigree and no upside is the same thing as offering a qualifying offer to a 24 year old former 32nd OA pick with a PPG AHL season at age 22 with 22 points in 68 NHL games (third line production). Totally the same as 30 year old Gibbons.

As for wanting to re-sign? He's a RFA. He signs or he doesn't play. Period.

And Tyler Arnason sucked for us. Why would he ever have been considered a candidate for for re-signing?
 
Yeah. This is pretty close to the dumbest reply I've ever gotten so congrats on that.

Gibbons was:

1) 30 years old
2) 5'8
3) a UFA

Now if we'd let Gibbins walk in favour of re-signing a much worse player in the same position and role, then yeah it would have been a stupid move. But re-signing 30 year old5'8 career minor leaguers with no pedigree and no upside is the same thing as offering a qualifying offer to a 24 year old former 32nd OA pick with a PPG AHL season at age 22 with 22 points in 68 NHL games (third line production). Totally the same as 30 year old Gibbons.

As for wanting to re-sign? He's a RFA. He signs or he doesn't play. Period.

And Tyler Arnason sucked for us. Why would he ever have been considered a candidate for for re-signing?

You missed the entire point.
 
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Well now, that's interesting. Where did you see that? Not that I am questioning it. I find that to be a reasonable take

The other thing that's interesting is players wanting to be here because they see where we are in the rebuild cycle and the opportunity to play for an upcoming team

The Senators have a surge of young players coming into the lineup, opening up the opportunity to find a new team, Davidson said. The Senators made an offer to bring him back but in the end Hawryluk liked the opportunity in Vancouver better.

From this article.
 
From this article.

I'm not at all surprised that the team was willing to give him a 2 way deal but the player thought that his opportunity was better elsewhere

Guys here need to think about that. Players know the leagues and agents know the leagues. If Hawryyluk thinks his opportunity is better in BC, the reasoning behind it is he feels our 7 thru 15th players are stronger than theirs
 
I'm not at all surprised that the team was willing to give him a 2 way deal but the player thought that his opportunity was better elsewhere

Guys here need to think about that. Players know the leagues and agents know the leagues. If Hawryyluk thinks his opportunity is better in BC, the reasoning behind it is he feels our 7 thru 15th players are stronger than theirs

or the rebuild has a focus of graduating players that Hawryluk would be in direct competition with for a spot and icetime. So the playing field is more level in Van
 
or the rebuild has a focus of graduating players that Hawryluk would be in direct competition with for a spot and icetime. So the playing field is more level in Van

You'd have to be awfully pessimistic to believe that
 
It might sound weird but Ottawa has now a lot more depht than most teams. It's the top-6 and top-4 talents that need to prove themselves. The Canucks already have several high-end talents who made their mark, but might still be looking to solidify their depht so Hawryluk will audition for them

The Sens don't need to acquire depth players like Hawryluk because prospects that don't "boom" will end up filling roles adequatly or even very well (ex : Paul, Chlapik, Balcers? Abramov? Pinto? Formenton? etc). The guy looks at the crazy prospect depth and realize it will be very hard to claim a spot. It wouldn't be the same story if he had top-6 talent.
 
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It doesn't really matter if Hawryluk didn't want to play here (speculation). He was a RFA. Vancouver at the least was interested in this player, apparently even in his draft year. You retain the player's rights and move out him out for a draft pick. You know, like teams do to us (eg. Josh Brown).

And I don't want to hear the "doing the player a favour" line. If we're doing favours for Jayce Hawryluk but playing hardball with Duclair, Duchene and Karlsson then something is beyond rotten in Denmark.
 
It doesn't really matter if Hawryluk didn't want to play here (speculation). He was a RFA. Vancouver at the least was interested in this player, apparently even in his draft year. You retain the player's rights and move out him out for a draft pick. You know, like teams do to us (eg. Josh Brown).

And I don't want to hear the "doing the player a favour" line. If we're doing favours for Jayce Hawryluk but playing hardball with Duclair, Duchene and Karlsson then something is beyond rotten in Denmark.

You'd have to qualify him with a one way contract. Vancouver had interest with a 2 way contract but maybe not if they take on a 1 way contract and give up a pick.
 
You'd have to qualify him with a one way contract. Vancouver had interest with a 2 way contract but maybe not if they take on a 1 way contract and give up a pick.
It’s amazing how some people still don’t understand things like this.
 
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You'd have to qualify him with a one way contract. Vancouver had interest with a 2 way contract but maybe not if they take on a 1 way contract and give up a pick.

But in this scenario people are saying that he didn't want to play here but preferred Vancouver so he wouldn't sign that qualifying offer. You just make it to retain his rights.

Fact of the matter is guys like Hawryluk are just trying establish themselves as NHL players. They don't have leverage as a RFA. So they sign or they don't play. And a one way with Hawryluk would have been like $800K. No NHL team (outside of us) would have a problem burying that in the minors, especially given that the player has been a top line producer in the AHL.

Who knows the reason for the Sens doing this but signing Peca over a younger better player who has improved every year has all the markings of a bad hockey decision.
 
But in this scenario people are saying that he didn't want to play here but preferred Vancouver so he wouldn't sign that qualifying offer. You just make it to retain his rights.

Fact of the matter is guys like Hawryluk are just trying establish themselves as NHL players. They don't have leverage as a RFA. So they sign or they don't play. And a one way with Hawryluk would have been like $800K. No NHL team (outside of us) would have a problem burying that in the minors, especially given that the player has been a top line producer in the AHL.

Who knows the reason for the Sens doing this but signing Peca over a younger better player who has improved every year has all the markings of a bad hockey decision.
That’s total bullshit. Teams will bury contracts, but they won’t willingly give a one way contract when they don’t have to. In these scenarios there is usually a two way offer that pays 700K / 250K as an example.
 
Fact of the matter is guys like Hawryluk are just trying establish themselves as NHL players. They don't have leverage as a RFA. So they sign or they don't play. And a one way with Hawryluk would have been like $800K. No NHL team (outside of us) would have a problem burying that in the minors, especially given that the player has been a top line producer in the AHL.

Are you aware that there's a pandemic going on, if there's a season it will feature limited to no fans in the stands, the length of the NHL has yet to be determined and we don't know if the AHL is even going to play? But sure, feel free to assume that no team would have a problem paying him an NHL salary to potentially do nothing.
 
That’s total bullshit. Teams will bury contracts, but they won’t willingly give a one way contract when they don’t have to. In these scenarios there is usually a two way offer that pays 700K / 250K as an example.

While we're calling bullshit Hawryluk's QO did not need to be one-way because he has played less NHL games than the requirement for one-way QOs.

So yeah. We could have qualified him on a two-way contract.

EDIT: This may be wrong because he did not clear waivers.
 

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