JAYCE HAWRYLUK F signs with Vancouver

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

If you think Hawryluk and Austin Watson are equivalent players then you need to reread "Hockey 101".

Is that the secret book that Dorion has been reading that he doesn't want others to know about?

 

[Sun God Nika]

we need roster spots for prospects im happy with this. but then again if it were up to me i would have a roster full of skill from top to bottom.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I don't think Hawryluk is better at this time, but I'd gladly take him over Watson when you consider he makes 0.7M less, didn't cost a 4th round pick to sign, and is younger and has more offensive potential going forward.

Meh, you need guys who can play the tough (edit: difficult) roles. Hawryluk isnt that guy. We have enough guys who will need soft deployment. I'd have brought Hawryluk back over Peca in a heartbeat, I thought Peca was just awful, but Watson is a better player and fills a role that needs filling in a style that fits with our team. Watson has been an everyday player for a long time and has been good in his role. If he gives us three years of above-average 4th line play, which is pretty likely, he's well worth the price we paid in asset and salary. Hawryluk is still finding his way as an everyday NHLer, if he gets there at all. And, besides, who cares if Melnyk spends 700k extra? Do we really think that stopped us from doing something else, or acquiring someone else?

 

[DrEasy]

We probably picked up Hawryluk when he had good character, then we let him go when he didn't. We can explain every move with character!

 

[Masked]

I mean I might be able to say the bolded line of thinking is fair enough but if so, then why sign Peca? He's more of the same only worse. If you're going to sign one of them, Hawryluk seemed like a far superior player in just about every facet of the game.

Doesn't make sense to me. It's a little thing but winning franchises pay attention to detail. This seems like the opposite of that.

Maybe he wasn't a fit in the locker room? Maybe he's not a guy who you can shuttle back and forth between the NHL and the AHL?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Meh, you need guys who can play the tough roles. Hawryluk isnt that guy. We have enough guys who will need soft deployment. I'd have brought Hawryluk back over Peca in a heartbeat, I thought Peca was just awful, but Watson is a better player and fills a role that needs filling in a style that fits with our team. Watson has been an everyday player for a long time and has been good in his role. If he gives us three years of above-average 4th line play, which is pretty likely, he's well worth the price we paid in asset and salary. Hawryluk is still finding his way as an everyday NHLer, if he gets there at all. And, besides, who cares if Melnyk spends 700k extra? Do we really think that stopped us from doing something else, or acquiring someone else?

Hawryluk is pretty tough. He's not big like Watson but he's had more PIMs than GP for his whole AHL career and most of his years in junior.

With this team every dollar counts. 5.7M (and 4th+4th+5th) for Gudbranson, Watson and Brown is a high price to pay for toughness.

 

[BondraTime]

Yeah, Watson and Hawryluk aren't really comparable players.

Hawryluk will spend another season in the AHL with a callup game here and there

 

[JD1]

The usual suspects with the usual noise....

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Hawryluk is pretty tough. He's not big like Watson but he's had more PIMs than GP for his whole AHL career and most of his years in junior.

With this team every dollar counts. 5.7M (and 4th+4th+5th) for Gudbranson, Watson and Brown is a high price to pay for toughness.

I like Hawryluk, but by tough I mean difficult. Watson starts almost 80% of faceoffs in the DZone, he PKs, he plays against tough competition, etc. Watson is much more than just tough - he's dependable and he's responsible. That is always in style.

Also, while I love Hawryluk's physicality (I've discussed him a good amount on here and havent said a single bad thing about him), theres a big difference between getting hit by someone an inch or 2 smaller than you vs 3-4 inches taller than you. As I've said, before and since he wasnt QO'd, I would have brought back Jayce (especially over Peca), but I'm very happy with the Watson acquisition. Less so with the Brown and Gudbranson acquisitions, but that fact doesnt have anything to do with this imo.

 

[swiftwin]

I mean I might be able to say the bolded line of thinking is fair enough but if so, then why sign Peca? He's more of the same only worse. If you're going to sign one of them, Hawryluk seemed like a far superior player in just about every facet of the game.

Doesn't make sense to me. It's a little thing but winning franchises pay attention to detail. This seems like the opposite of that.

I don't know. There's far more to players than what you can see as a fan. You speak of details, yet you have no insight on the details beyond what you see on TV. Did he even want to sign with us? How was he in the locker room? How does he fit compared to other players in our system? Those are all details you're not privy to.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Not concerned at all on this one. Cannon fodder one way or another.

 

[bert]

22P in 68GP in his NHL career thus far, over a PPG in his final AHL season, over 100P in his final WHL season.

Should have been re-signed. Not a huge loss, but he's a guy who could develop into a nice bottom 6 forward.

You would rather have him playing than blocking Formenton or Balcers? No thanks.

 

[BK201]

Whatever.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I don't know. There's far more to players than what you can see as a fan. You speak of details, yet you have no insight on the details beyond what you see on TV. Did he even want to sign with us? How was he in the locker room? How does he fit compared to other players in our system? Those are all details you're not privy to.

You're kind of moving the goal posts here though. You said we have so many players of the same glut but you don't know anymore about what they're like in the room than I do. So outside of watching them play how do you consider them different? Peca and Hawryluk play a similar style but one is already better and seems to be improving. The other one is not good. We signed the one who is worse.

I get that maybe they didn't like his attitude. I don't know. But he sure worked his butt off in the games. As for not wanting to sign with us, well he was an RFA who would have a snowball's chance in hell of winning any arb. case. You qualify him and if he wants to play anytime soon he signs.

Probably amounts to nothing but it really irks me to see our team let players walk for nothing then sign or trade for guys who are worse. After a while that will bite us in the ass.

 

[Hale The Villain]

You would rather have him playing than blocking Formenton or Balcers? No thanks.

Formenton should probably spend another year in the AHL to bulk up and continue to develop. He's only spent 1YR in the AHL and I'd like to see him prove his nice production as a rookie wasn't a fluke after disappointing production in his final OHL season. He should be one of the first call-ups though.

Balcers won't be blocked by Hawryluk, who just signed a two-way contract. If Hawryluk disappoints in training camp you send him down or have him be the 13th/14th forward.

 

[bert]

Formenton should probably spend another year in the AHL to bulk up and continue to develop. He's only spent 1YR in the AHL and I'd like to see him prove his nice production as a rookie wasn't a fluke after disappointing production in his final OHL season. He should be one of the first call-ups though.

Balcers won't be blocked by Hawryluk, who just signed a two-way contract. If Hawryluk disappoints in training camp you send him down or have him be the 13th/14th forward.

You can only carry so many players, suprised he signed a two way deal tbh didnt even realize. But with what Ottawa already has there is no point in adding him they already have too many players that need icetime.

Formenton is going to make the sens very little doubt in my mind he is exactly the type of identity they are trying to build.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

You would rather have him playing than blocking Formenton or Balcers? No thanks.

Not for me. But in a season where we're going nowhere I'd rather he was out there killing penalties and playing 4th line minutes for a year than have Austin Watson make us maybe marginally better. I don't mind Watson that much but I'd rather see if Hawryluk can continue to progress and grow with the team than watch Watson play. If you don't like Hawryluk you cut him loose after this year.

I'd probably rather have Balcers and Formenton both on the team than either player but if one of them HAD to be on the team I'd rather see if 24 year old Hawryluk can grow with our team than watch 28 year old Watson grind us into a few extra OT losses over the next three years.

Just my preference. I don't think now is the time to add 28 year old 4th liners for the next few years if you can fill those spots internally.

 

[Hale The Villain]

You can only carry so many players, suprised he signed a two way deal tbh didnt even realize. But with what Ottawa already has there is no point in adding him they already have too many players that need icetime.

Formenton is going to make the sens very little doubt in my mind he is exactly the type of identity they are trying to build.

We really don't have too many forwards. Can't pencil in kids like Stutzle and Formenton into spots in case it turns out they aren't ready. Rushing young players is the easiest way to have them bust.

And if too many forwards was a problem, you don't sign bums like Shaw and Peca over Hawryluk.

 

[BondraTime]

We really don't have too many forwards. Can't pencil in kids like Stutzle and Formenton into spots in case it turns out they aren't ready. Rushing young players is the easiest way to have them bust.

And if too many forwards was a problem, you don't sign bums like Shaw and Peca over Hawryluk.

Hawryluk is the same level of player as those guys, an AHL body you sign to a 2 way deal that you really don't want in the NHL

 

[GCK]

I don't think Hawryluk is better at this time, but I'd gladly take him over Watson when you consider he makes 0.7M less, didn't cost a 4th round pick to sign, and is younger and has more offensive potential going forward.

Watson is better in the role that he was brought in for.

 

[bert]

We really don't have too many forwards. Can't pencil in kids like Stutzle and Formenton into spots in case it turns out they aren't ready. Rushing young players is the easiest way to have them bust.

And if too many forwards was a problem, you don't sign bums like Shaw and Peca over Hawryluk.

Bums?... There isnt much difference man. Also id rather have Chlapik playing over Hawryluk, Hawryluk was at best the 15th best forward with who they have signed. I agree in not rushing players but Formenton is ready he almost made the team 3 years ago. Balcers needs to make the next step same with L. Brown. Plus you have Norris, Stuetzle and Abramov pushing.

1. Tkachuk
2. C. Brown
3. Tierney
4. Dadonov
5. Paul
6. Watson
7. Anisimov
8. White
9. Batherson

Thats 9 forwards already with L. Brown, Norris, Formenton, Chlapik, Balcers, Stuetzle all pushing. There is absolutely no need for Hawryluk and honestly complaining about it is a waste of time.

Just read a quoted post that you would rather have Hawryluk over Watson. LOL time to watch some other teams than the sens.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Bums?... There isnt much difference man. Also id rather have Chlapik playing over Hawryluk, Hawryluk was at best the 15th best forward with who they have signed. I agree in not rushing players but Formenton is ready he almost made the team 3 years ago. Balcers needs to make the next step same with L. Brown. Plus you have Norris, Stuetzle and Abramov pushing.

1. Tkachuk
2. C. Brown
3. Tierney
4. Dadonov
5. Paul
6. Watson
7. Anisimov
8. White
9. Batherson

Thats 9 forwards already with L. Brown, Norris, Formenton, Chlapik, Balcers, Stuetzle all pushing. There is absolutely no need for Hawryluk and honestly complaining about it is a waste of time.

Just read a quoted post that you would rather have Hawryluk over Watson. LOL time to watch some other teams than the sens.

Peca and Shaw have never come close to putting up a PPG in the AHL like Hawryluk did, and Hawryluk's production at lower levels blows theirs out of the water. Hawryluk is 3-4YRs younger than either of those guys and has a much better resume to this point. He has the potential to develop into a solid bottom 6 guy, whereas the other two are clearly journeymen AHL/fringe NHLers that have no future.

Chlapik had 22P in 37GP in the AHL last year. He's appeared to have stagnated in the AHL and shouldn't be counted on to be anything more than an injury call-up at this point. He's been far less impressive at the same levels as Hawryluk and is only 1YR younger.

Last part of your post is just pathetic. I said I'd rather have Hawryluk, 0.7M in salary space and a 4th round pick over Watson. Leaving out the latter two points and making it seem like I said Hawryluk was better than Watson is a bad faith argument. Do better.

 

[GCK]

Peca and Shaw have never come close to putting up a PPG in the AHL like Hawryluk did, and Hawryluk's production at lower levels blows theirs out of the water. Hawryluk is 3-4YRs younger than either of those guys and has a much better resume to this point. He has the potential to develop into a solid bottom 6 guy, whereas the other two are clearly journeymen AHL/fringe NHLers that have no future.

Chlapik had 22P in 37GP in the AHL last year. He's appeared to have stagnated in the AHL and shouldn't be counted on to be anything more than an injury call-up at this point. He's been far less impressive at the same levels as Hawryluk and is only 1YR younger.

Last part of your post is just pathetic. I said I'd rather have Hawryluk, 0.7M in salary space and a 4th round pick over Watson. Leaving out the latter two points and making it seem like I said Hawryluk was better than Watson is a bad faith argument. Do better.

Why do you care about 700K, money hasn’t been a factor yet during the off-season. They took Hawryluk for a test drive and chose not to buy. As for a 4th, lighten up Francis, We have a boatload if picks in a weak draft next year already.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Why do you care about 700K, money hasn’t been a factor yet during the off-season. They took Hawryluk for a test drive and chose not to buy. As for a 4th, lighten up Francis, We have a boatload if picks in a weak draft next year already.

I'm not furious or even moderately upset we let Hawryluk go. It's small potatoes. In the grand scheme of things it matters very little.

But if the usual suspects want to challenge some light criticism of the move, I'll state my reasoning for thinking so.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

He’s no different than Brian gibbons, Oscar Lindberg, etc, guys who did fine when it didn’t matter who aren’t actually nhl players most likely