JAYCE HAWRYLUK F signs with Vancouver

[FormentonTheFuture]

But in this scenario people are saying that he didn't want to play here but preferred Vancouver so he wouldn't sign that qualifying offer. You just make it to retain his rights.

Fact of the matter is guys like Hawryluk are just trying establish themselves as NHL players. They don't have leverage as a RFA. So they sign or they don't play. And a one way with Hawryluk would have been like $800K. No NHL team (outside of us) would have a problem burying that in the minors, especially given that the player has been a top line producer in the AHL.

Who knows the reason for the Sens doing this but signing Peca over a younger better player who has improved every year has all the markings of a bad hockey decision.

Who cares? They’re all replacement level players who will be in the AHL

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Who cares? They’re all replacement level players who will be in the AHL

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You know that for sure. There is speculation in Vancouver that Hawryluk might be a candidate to try in their top 6 (depending on where Eriksson plays LOL). There are plenty of players with his pedigree that didn't come into their own until they were 25 or so.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Anyway. I just find it mind boggling that no one minds that we signed Matthew Peca instead of a better player.

The excuses as to why that (and other puzzling decisions) is OK are getting out of hand.

I'm done debating it. There is no reasoning going on just people telling you what you say is bullshit and blah blah blah...

Closing argument: We let a superior player walk in favour of a worse player when they were in direct job competition. Period. The Sens' reasons are their own. As a former STH and one who might be again down the road I lose faith in this management team when they do stuff like this.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Anyway. I just find it mind boggling that no one minds that we signed Matthew Peca instead of a better player.

The excuses as to why that (and other puzzling decisions) is OK are getting out of hand.

I'm done debating it. There is no reasoning going on just people telling you what you say is bullshit and blah blah blah...

Closing argument: We let a superior player walk in favour of a worse player when they were in direct job competition. Period. The Sens' reasons are their own. As a former STH and one who might be again down the road I lose faith in this management team when they do stuff like this.

If they had to sign him to a one way then it doesn’t really matter.

 

[barriers]

He signed a 2-way deal

 

[The Expert]

It doesn't really matter if Hawryluk didn't want to play here (speculation). He was a RFA. Vancouver at the least was interested in this player, apparently even in his draft year. You retain the player's rights and move out him out for a draft pick. You know, like teams do to us (eg. Josh Brown).

You mean the guy who nobody wanted when he was on a 2-way contract before we knew there would be a flat cap?

Yeah I'm sure teams would be lining up to trade for him, especially now that he'd be on a 1-way contract in a flat cap world.

Who knows the reason for the Sens doing this but signing Peca over a younger better player who has improved every year has all the markings of a bad hockey decision.

The reasons are pretty obvious and have been stated in this thread. Also by Hawryluk's agent, but you seem to think you have a better read of the situation than him, which is very entertaining.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

He signed a 2-way deal

Yes but Ottawa had to sign him to a one way if they qualified him, apparently

 

[Masked]

Closing argument: We let a superior player walk in favour of a worse player when they were in direct job competition. Period. The Sens' reasons are their own. As a former STH and one who might be again down the road I lose faith in this management team when they do stuff like this.

So why would the Senators pay the same for a worse player when they could have kept the better player? Either they don't know hockey or there's some other reason that we aren't privy to. I'd go with some other reason rather than assuming they don't know hockey.

 

[Slippy]

So why would the Senators pay the same for a worse player when they could have kept the better player? Either they don't know hockey or there's some other reason that we aren't privy to. I'd go with some other reason rather than assuming they don't know hockey.

Because by the sounds of it, it is not about paying the same. The Sens seemingly were looking to fill a role that makes more sense for a two-way contract. Meaning they were looking at an AHL guy that could be a decent call-up, but likely playing more in the AHL with a cheaper salary. If as it has been suggested the QO had to be 1-way then Hawryluk would be a more expensive player, since you would have to pay him NHL salary even in the AHL.

As for the opportunity that his agent mentioned, I can certainly see that. Vancouver seems to be a bit more cap strapped, so are having to find cheaper players for their bottom six, meaning his cap hit would be an advantage to him making the roster. Ottawa is not concerned with the cap and wants to give more opportunity to young guys that have long term potential, so Hawryluk could find himself having a harder time cracking the NHL roster as performance is not the only consideration for call-up. Sens get an injury and need a forward call-up, could a prospect maybe not performing quite as well as Hawryluk get the call ahead of him because the Sens want to give them some NHL games?

All that said, we are talking about a bottom six player or AHL replacement at the moment, and while I did really like what he brought, I am not going to lose sleep over this.

 

[BondraTime]

Sens have what, 7-8 young guys they want to get in games, with only 3-4 of them going to be on the team?

Batherson
Norris
Formenton
Abramov
Davidsson
Chlapik
Balcers
Brown

Kastelic?
Kelly?
Sokolov?

Who are the young guys the Canucks will be looking to get games? Are there any? Lind? Maybe they need a low cap to fill out the 4th line. Sens certainly don’t have to worry about a small cap hit.

In each case it would probably take 2-3 injuries up front to get into either lineup, but it seems to me like there are a lot more guys that would be of more importance to call up on the Sens side.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Anyway. I just find it mind boggling that no one minds that we signed Matthew Peca instead of a better player.

The excuses as to why that (and other puzzling decisions) is OK are getting out of hand.

I'm done debating it. There is no reasoning going on just people telling you what you say is bullshit and blah blah blah...

Closing argument: We let a superior player walk in favour of a worse player when they were in direct job competition. Period. The Sens' reasons are their own. As a former STH and one who might be again down the road I lose faith in this management team when they do stuff like this.

Because he didn't pass through waivers, the QO for Hawryluk had to be a 1-way offer. Instead of giving him an option for a 1-way deal, they didnt QO him and offered a 2-way deal, which he rejected in favour of Vancouvers. They were more than happy to bring back Hawryluk on a 2-way deal, just not a 1-way deal. There's your reasoning.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

via Capfriendly; The qualifying offer must be a One-Way offer if the following three requirements are met (A goaltender is considered to have played a game if they are on the bench as a backup for this scenario):

1. In the previous three seasons, the player played in:
   • 180 NHL games if the previous three seasons does not include 2012-13 or 2019-20
   • 171 NHL games if one of the three seasons is 2019-20 (Pro-rating for the COVID roster freeze) and the player is a COVID Roster Freeze Player
   • 156 NHL games if one of the three seasons is 2012-13 (Pro-rating for the shortened 2012-13 season)
2. In the previous season, the player played in:
   • 60 NHL games if the previous season is not 2012-13 or 2019-20
   • 51 NHL games if the previous season is 2019-20 (Pro-rating for the COVID roster freeze) and the player is a COVID Roster Freeze Player
   • 36 NHL games if the previous season is 2012-13 (Pro-rating for the shortened 2012-13 season)
3. The player did not clear waivers in the previous season.

Jayce Haweyluck does not meet 2/3 requirements . Sens picked him up on waivers from FLA so he did not clear.
He could have been offered a 2-way.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sens have what, 7-8 young guys they want to get in games, with only 3-4 of them going to be on the team?

Batherson
Norris
Formenton
Abramov
Davidsson
Chlapik
Balcers
Brown

Kastelic?
Kelly?
Sokolov?

Who are the young guys the Canucks will be looking to get games? Are there any? Lind? Maybe they need a low cap to fill out the 4th line. Sens certainly don’t have to worry about a small cap hit.

In each case it would probably take 2-3 injuries up front to get into either lineup, but it seems to me like there are a lot more guys that would be of more importance to call up on the Sens side.

Agreed .. He has a better chance to not be in direct competition for icetime with the same number of prospects.

 

[Beville]

Anyway. I just find it mind boggling that no one minds that we signed Matthew Peca instead of a better player.

The excuses as to why that (and other puzzling decisions) is OK are getting out of hand.

I'm done debating it. There is no reasoning going on just people telling you what you say is bullshit and blah blah blah...

Closing argument: We let a superior player walk in favour of a worse player when they were in direct job competition. Period. The Sens' reasons are their own. As a former STH and one who might be again down the road I lose faith in this management team when they do stuff like this.

Oh well?

Not sure what else needs to be said on the matter

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Oh well?

Not sure what else needs to be said on the matter

Well as a fan forum as I assume this is a place where fans give their thoughts.

Not a reasonable assumption?

 

[Xspyrit]

But in this scenario people are saying that he didn't want to play here but preferred Vancouver so he wouldn't sign that qualifying offer. You just make it to retain his rights.

Fact of the matter is guys like Hawryluk are just trying establish themselves as NHL players. They don't have leverage as a RFA. So they sign or they don't play. And a one way with Hawryluk would have been like $800K. No NHL team (outside of us) would have a problem burying that in the minors, especially given that the player has been a top line producer in the AHL.

Who knows the reason for the Sens doing this but signing Peca over a younger better player who has improved every year has all the markings of a bad hockey decision.

You're overthinking it. Hawryluk was claimed on waivers just before the season got canceled. He doesn't have the track record to get a 1-way contract from a NHL team, or at the very least no team had enough faith in him for doing that. He clearly took the best NHL offer which was in Vancouver and it's a 2-way

Think about it again. It wouldn't have made any sense for the Sens to "retain his rights" and end up signig him 1-way when no team wanted to do that. We need spots to audtion a bazillion prospects, which all have better upside than Jayce Hawryluk at this point.

The difference with Josh Brown is that he established himself already as a huge and strong 3rd pairing D-man. I wasn't thrilled with giving a pick to acquire him but he's obviously a player they specifically targeted.

The Sens tried to sign him on a 2-way then probably tried to trade Hawryluk for anything prior to not qualifying him (we have VERY LITTLE info on what happens behind closed doors). No takers, no interest. And this is confirmed by the kind of contract he signed

You also can't really link this to Peca. That's what I thought about as well initially but Peca is AHL bound. Hawryluk simply didn't think his chance to audition for a spot on the Sens was good enough, the call-up list before him will probably be very significant. So he saw a better opportunity in Vancouver.

 

[DrEasy]

Bottomline, Hawryluk preferred a 2-way deal in Vancouver to a 2-way deal in Ottawa. We were right to offer him a 2-way deal, and he was probably right to prefer playing in Vancouver, or in any case not in Ottawa.

 

[JD1]

Bottomline, Hawryluk preferred a 2-way deal in Vancouver to a 2-way deal in Ottawa. We were right to offer him a 2-way deal, and he was probably right to prefer playing in Vancouver, or in any case not in Ottawa.

Nailed it

/thread

 

[BK201]

Anyway. I just find it mind boggling that no one minds that we signed Matthew Peca instead of a better player.

The excuses as to why that (and other puzzling decisions) is OK are getting out of hand.

I'm done debating it. There is no reasoning going on just people telling you what you say is bullshit and blah blah blah...

Closing argument: We let a superior player walk in favour of a worse player when they were in direct job competition. Period. The Sens' reasons are their own. As a former STH and one who might be again down the road I lose faith in this management team when they do stuff like this.

Peca is AHL depth Hawlrchuk can play nhl but we have a good bottom 6 already and he's not a top 6 so bad fit.

He moves on and maybe get's nhl minutes not bad for him.