JAYCE HAWRYLUK F signs with Vancouver

[bert]

Peca and Shaw have never come close to putting up a PPG in the AHL like Hawryluk did, and Hawryluk's production at lower levels blows theirs out of the water. Hawryluk is 3-4YRs younger than either of those guys and has a much better resume to this point. He has the potential to develop into a solid bottom 6 guy, whereas the other two are clearly journeymen AHL/fringe NHLers that have no future.

Chlapik had 22P in 37GP in the AHL last year. He's appeared to have stagnated in the AHL and shouldn't be counted on to be anything more than an injury call-up at this point. He's been far less impressive at the same levels as Hawryluk and is only 1YR younger.

Last part of your post is just pathetic. I said I'd rather have Hawryluk, 0.7M in salary space and a 4th round pick over Watson. Leaving out the latter two points and making it seem like I said Hawryluk was better than Watson is a bad faith argument. Do better.

Keep crying about Hawrlyuk who they got off waivers that no one else wanted to sign to a 1 way deal. Thats the only pathetic thing going on. You have no ability to identify or evaluate hockey talent.

 

[JD1]

Peca and Shaw have never come close to putting up a PPG in the AHL like Hawryluk did, and Hawryluk's production at lower levels blows theirs out of the water. Hawryluk is 3-4YRs younger than either of those guys and has a much better resume to this point. He has the potential to develop into a solid bottom 6 guy, whereas the other two are clearly journeymen AHL/fringe NHLers that have no future.

Chlapik had 22P in 37GP in the AHL last year. He's appeared to have stagnated in the AHL and shouldn't be counted on to be anything more than an injury call-up at this point. He's been far less impressive at the same levels as Hawryluk and is only 1YR younger.

Last part of your post is just pathetic. I said I'd rather have Hawryluk, 0.7M in salary space and a 4th round pick over Watson. Leaving out the latter two points and making it seem like I said Hawryluk was better than Watson is a bad faith argument. Do better.

The difference between Hawryluk and the other two is expectations. The other two likely are quite happy to make a living playing hockey whereas Hawryluk has hopes of becoming an NHLer. We have enough guys with hopes

 

[DueDiligence]

Is that the secret book that Dorion has been reading that he doesn't want others to know about?

Actually it is. If you want you can have mine; all the good parts are highlighted.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Keep crying about Hawrlyuk who they got off waivers that no one else wanted to sign to a 1 way deal. Thats the only pathetic thing going on. You have no ability to identify or evaluate hockey talent.

You need to control your emotions pal. Don't get so worked up about a casual debate on a hockey message board. It's not good for you.

 

[bert]

You need to control your emotions pal. Don't get so worked up about a casual debate on a hockey message board. It's not good for you.

Calling my argument pathetic because you had a terrible take doesnt mean I am emotional. Just expect better. Watson actually can have a serious impact on a game. He is a beast, Hawryluk is an undersized grinder who you can have for free they arent the same thing not even close. Who cares about 700 k they are 20 million below the cap. Getting a player that can impact a game for a 4th round pick is good value.

Chlapik is a better player than Hawryluk too. Moving up and down from the NHL then AHL where he played on the third line doesnt mean his production is bad its not easy to not have the same linemates every game.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I liked Hawryluk... He played well for us. He's on a 1 year 2 way with the Canucks.. He's a cheap , tenacious forward with some upside that is definitely a bottom 6er on a good team. I would not have minded him on a 2 way here but we he is a spare part.

 

[Cosmix]

I guess he was out of Luk...

Hawr can you say such a thing?

 

[Cosmix]

Not for me. But in a season where we're going nowhere I'd rather he was out there killing penalties and playing 4th line minutes for a year than have Austin Watson make us maybe marginally better. I don't mind Watson that much but I'd rather see if Hawryluk can continue to progress and grow with the team than watch Watson play. If you don't like Hawryluk you cut him loose after this year.

I'd probably rather have Balcers and Formenton both on the team than either player but if one of them HAD to be on the team I'd rather see if 24 year old Hawryluk can grow with our team than watch 28 year old Watson grind us into a few extra OT losses over the next three years.

Just my preference. I don't think now is the time to add 28 year old 4th liners for the next few years if you can fill those spots internally.

I think the team needed a larger more physical player who could be a policeman to act as a deterrent to other teams taking runs at our younger smaller players. Watson appears to be the replacement player taking over that role.

 

[Cosmix]

Actually it is. If you want you can have mine; all the good parts are highlighted.

So you coloured ALL of it yellow?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I thought he played really well here. I guess Anisimov and giving looks to Abramov/Balcers eventually kept him out.

 

[DueDiligence]

So you coloured ALL of it yellow?

pretty much, except the part entitled "dealing with the media"

 

[Cosmix]

pretty much, except the part entitled "dealing with the media"

I have some old text books I started to color yellow. Only the first chapter or two.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Hawr can you say such a thing?

I am so Sawryluk...

 

[swiftwin]

You're kind of moving the goal posts here though. You said we have so many players of the same glut but you don't know anymore about what they're like in the room than I do. So outside of watching them play how do you consider them different? Peca and Hawryluk play a similar style but one is already better and seems to be improving. The other one is not good. We signed the one who is worse.

I get that maybe they didn't like his attitude. I don't know. But he sure worked his butt off in the games. As for not wanting to sign with us, well he was an RFA who would have a snowball's chance in hell of winning any arb. case. You qualify him and if he wants to play anytime soon he signs.

Probably amounts to nothing but it really irks me to see our team let players walk for nothing then sign or trade for guys who are worse. After a while that will bite us in the ass.

But again, you don't know the circumstances on why he left. You're the one making the assumption that the decision of Hawryluk was solely on performance. Maybe Hawryluk didn't want to sign here? Honestly, I wouldn't blame him. There is going to be fierce competition for our bottom 6 spots. We have about 3 spots open:

1. Tkachuk
2. C. Brown
3. Tierney
4. Dadonov
5. Paul
6. Watson
7. Anisimov
8. White
9. Batherson
10.
11.
12.

He'd be competing with guys like Brown, Norris, Formenton, Chlapik, Balcers, Stuetzle, Abramov, Davidsson, etc. Maybe guys like Peca and Beaudin accept that they're AHL fodder, while Hawryluk wanted to look elsewhere where the competition was less intense.

That's just one theory.

Either way, it's so silly to make a fuss over losing a waiver pickup like this.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

But again, you don't know the circumstances on why he left. You're the one making the assumption that the decision of Hawryluk was solely on performance. Maybe Hawryluk didn't want to sign here? Honestly, I wouldn't blame him. There is going to be fierce competition for our bottom 6 spots. We have about 3 spots open:

1. Tkachuk
2. C. Brown
3. Tierney
4. Dadonov
5. Paul
6. Watson
7. Anisimov
8. White
9. Batherson
10.
11.
12.

He'd be competing with guys like Brown, Norris, Formenton, Chlapik, Balcers, Stuetzle, Abramov, Davidsson, etc. Maybe guys like Peca and Beaudin accept that they're AHL fodder, while Hawryluk wanted to look elsewhere where the competition was less intense.

That's just one theory.

Either way, it's so silly to make a fuss over losing a waiver pickup like this.

He wasn't tendered a QO. That was a team decision, not player.

 

[Micklebot]

But again, you don't know the circumstances on why he left. You're the one making the assumption that the decision of Hawryluk was solely on performance. Maybe Hawryluk didn't want to sign here? Honestly, I wouldn't blame him. There is going to be fierce competition for our bottom 6 spots. We have about 3 spots open:

1. Tkachuk
2. C. Brown
3. Tierney
4. Dadonov
5. Paul
6. Watson
7. Anisimov
8. White
9. Batherson
10.
11.
12.

He'd be competing with guys like Brown, Norris, Formenton, Chlapik, Balcers, Stuetzle, Abramov, Davidsson, etc. Maybe guys like Peca and Beaudin accept that they're AHL fodder, while Hawryluk wanted to look elsewhere where the competition was less intense.

That's just one theory.

Either way, it's so silly to make a fuss over losing a waiver pickup like this.

Well, we hadn't traded for Watson when we decided not to qualify him, so that's one more open spot at the time. In the end though, we decided not to qualify him, maybe that's because he didn't want to be here and we were nice enough to cut him free, but at the end of the day, we didn't we didn't like him enough to offer him 920k so he's gone.

 

[OD99]

Only reason I care at all is that he showed some offensive potential and thought perhaps we were adding a sneaky contributor who fits in to our age bracket last season. I figured the brass had some ideas of keeping him around to see what he may offer given some consistent games.

Guess not - oh well.

 

[Cosmix]

I hope they are saving the salary cost to help sign Duclair.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

To those saying we didn’t QO him so it was our decision, while that’s obviously not up for debate, we did claim him on waivers... he might well have been ambivalent about joining the team. He came from another country and climate... it’s very possible he expressed less-than-excitement, and we had other options, and mutually agreed to part ways. Not saying that’s the case, but I believe it happens a fair amount with these fringe guys. The lower you get down the lineup, the more those intangible factors play a role. You’re not gonna let that influence a decision on a player you really love, but if Peca calls you up and says, hey, I really wanna be here, I wanna mentor guys in the minors and be part of a Calder Cup competitor for you guys, and Hawryluk says, hey, I appreciate the opportunity but I would rather play somewhere warmer, or somewhere with fewer young players, it can tip the scales in one guys favour.

Totally just spitballing here

 

[Masked]

To those saying we didn’t QO him so it was our decision, while that’s obviously not up for debate, we did claim him on waivers... he might well have been ambivalent about joining the team. He came from another country and climate...

He's from Saskatchewan.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He's from Saskatchewan.

Should have been clearer, I meant he was playing in another country. The move from Florida to Ottawa is not for everyone, even Canadians. Hell, I know people who couldn’t even handle the move from Vancouver to Toronto. That comment is mostly in the context of comparing him to Peca - we have no clue with Hawryluk, but we know Peca chose MTL (amongst a handful of other offers). The move from MTL to Ottawa is a relatively easy acclimation.

 

[DrEasy]

To those saying we didn’t QO him so it was our decision, while that’s obviously not up for debate, we did claim him on waivers... he might well have been ambivalent about joining the team. He came from another country and climate... it’s very possible he expressed less-than-excitement, and we had other options, and mutually agreed to part ways. Not saying that’s the case, but I believe it happens a fair amount with these fringe guys. The lower you get down the lineup, the more those intangible factors play a role. You’re not gonna let that influence a decision on a player you really love, but if Peca calls you up and says, hey, I really wanna be here, I wanna mentor guys in the minors and be part of a Calder Cup competitor for you guys, and Hawryluk says, hey, I appreciate the opportunity but I would rather play somewhere warmer, or somewhere with fewer young players, it can tip the scales in one guys favour.

Totally just spitballing here

If we allow everyone who doesn't play here to go we won't have much left.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Should have been clearer, I meant he was playing in another country. The move from Florida to Ottawa is not for everyone, even Canadians. Hell, I know people who couldn’t even handle the move from Vancouver to Toronto. That comment is mostly in the context of comparing him to Peca - we have no clue with Hawryluk, but we know Peca chose MTL (amongst a handful of other offers). The move from MTL to Ottawa is a relatively easy acclimation.

What is this? Professional hockey player from Saskatchewan finds move from Florida to Ottawa too difficult? What in the world are you talking about? He was probably thrilled to get a chance to play in the NHL and showcase himself. Earned him a guaranteed 200k next year. I doubt he got into hockey with his sole intention to live in Southbeach.

 

[Ouroboros]

Hawryluk's agent said the Sens made an offer to bring him back to Ottawa but they decided on Vancouver because they thought there was more opportunity there.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

What is this? Professional hockey player from Saskatchewan finds move from Florida to Ottawa too difficult? What in the world are you talking about? He was probably thrilled to get a chance to play in the NHL and showcase himself. Earned him a guaranteed 200k next year. I doubt he got into hockey with his sole intention to live in Southbeach.

Seems like you missed the point lol, which essentially boils down to “human beings have preferences”. It is very possible that there was a mutual understanding that he was open to other options, for any variety of reason, and that we, too, were open to other options. Realizing that he is an insignificant player who we don’t see as an every day guy, it is possible that we allowed for those other options to be pursued on both fronts.

If we allow everyone who doesn't play here to go we won't have much left.

Sure, but I’m assuming that we weren’t too ging-ho on him, just as he may have not been hung-ho on us. Players and agents discuss roles and deployment, and if they didn’t see eye to eye, there is value in not trying to force a guy who fancies himself a square peg into a round hole.