Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5

[brian_griffin]

Im emotional and typing on the stupid phone.. J botts has me on my period..

I'm listening to (delayed) impeachment trial at work.

Impeach Botterill!!! High Crimes and Misdemeanors!!!

 

[Jim Bob]

My fear in that? It'll be Shero. Ex-Penguins, gotta catch 'em all!

I guess a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in a while, but I have no confidence that the decision makers that have hired Murray and Botterill will make a really good hire if they let Botts go now and they use the same sort of process to hire the next person.

 

[K8fool]

Bring Berglund back and let him be gm.. Hes a least got a pair and quits on the team out in the open..

 

[Chainshot]

I guess a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in a while, but I have no confidence that the decision makers that have hired Murray and Botterill will make a really good hire if they let Botts go now and they use the same sort of process to hire the next person.

I agree there. They are something like 11/12 in bad hires in their One Buffalo empire. They got McDermott and he got them Beane. Just don't hire someone over dinner again. Or ever.

 

[Chainshot]

Call Mark Hunter and ask him if he wants to repeatedly stick it back to Leafs for passing him over for Dubas.

Maybe. Hunter's work has some holes based on scrutiny when it was the debate between Dubas and him as Lou's successor.

FML if this ever happens

They've consistently dipped into that well and come up tarred repeatedly.

 

[Fezzy126]

Maybe. Hunter's work has some holes based on scrutiny when it was the debate between Dubas and him as Lou's successor.



They've consistently dipped into that well and come up tarred repeatedly.

I'd really like them to find a new well

 

[Vito_81]

Murray got fired for the same reason Botts should/will be

Sitting by allowing a potentially positive season to crumble away by not addressing the obvious hole in the team.

It was the D for Murray. Now it’s the forwards for Botts.

The fact the Bills have been improving of late is showing Pegs that winning is possible. You just need the right people.

Here’s hoping third time’s a charm.

If this report really is true. You need to make the move now. Allow the new GM to get a taste of the team now vs half of the 20-21 season. Plus he can be prepped right for the draft and offseason.

 

[Jim Bob]

Maybe. Hunter's work has some holes based on scrutiny when it was the debate between Dubas and him as Lou's successor.

Nobody with a resume won't have holes in it.

But, we've seen what two rookie GMs have done...

I still get back to needing a Prez of Hockey Ops to hire the next GM.

Gillis is a name that gets thrown around.

But, going after a player agent, like WNYer Steve Bartlett, might be interesting, too.

Hockey's Top 40 under 40: The coaches, executives, scouts...

Or, they could just go with the next gen pick for GM:

Hockey's Top 40 under 40: The coaches, executives, scouts...

9. Meghan Chayka, co-founder, Stathletes, Inc. – In the last year, the analytics firm Stathletes has quietly continued to grow at an impressive rate, while consciously lowering their public profile. Part of the focus has been on scalability and that meant an increase in more league-centric deals, deals with agents and international deals.

“We wanted to diversify and continually improve,” the 34-year-old Meghan Chayka said. “Just to create a more sustainable business.”

Stathletes CEO and co-founder Neil Lane also deserves a spot on this list. He’s been a crucial part of the growth and success of the firm.

“He’s exceptional in operations,” Meghan Chayka said. “He’s a very strategic thinker and very good at executing ideas.”

 

[Chainshot]

I'd really like them to find a new well

Same. It's amazing that everything they do right now is so poor. Everything. Same with Botterill - everything he touches seems to turn to feces. It's a gift, if only he was trying to restore soils or something.

 

[Chainshot]

Nobody with a resume won't have holes in it.

But, we've seen what two rookie GMs have done...

I still get back to needing a Prez of Hockey Ops to hire the next GM.

Gillis is a name that gets thrown around.

But, going after a player agent, like WNYer Steve Bartlett, might be interesting, too.

Hockey's Top 40 under 40: The coaches, executives, scouts...

Or, they could just go with the next gen pick for GM:

Hockey's Top 40 under 40: The coaches, executives, scouts...

I'm still on the Tulsky train. Perhaps by myself. Which makes for a quieter ride, but still...

And Meghan would be an interesting choice. At least they'd likely be using current evaluation tools instead of whatever bullshit they've been doing recently. And the rivalry gets kicked into high gear with the Coyotes.

 

[BananaSquad]

I honestly see Krueger wanting a role in upper management. I’d like to keep him around this organization if Botts is let go that’s for sure.

 

[K8fool]

I'm listening to (delayed) impeachment trial at work.

Impeach Botterill!!! High Crimes and Misdemeanors!!!

I want to know what is really going on that this political theatre scrpt is covering up..

I need hockey or i wont shutup about how everything is a scripted lie .. Burn city of the empire burn all the crap aroumd the fed amd all the banks we are enslaved by..the swiss is ra hell and ...

Yea.. Hockey isnt dead til they chip everyone..

Imagine jack Eichel in the playoffs.. If he got some goaltending and some guys stepped up.. I could look for a while at the sunflower hockey god taking over 16 games by himself amd winning a cup... This year now.. Botts. We are coming for you.. Make a trade tbat lets me watch hockey so o dont get mad a the fake farce i used to ne part of being a broker on walled in street.. Land of the scripted false dissent

Joe boo oo.. Im crushing yr head.. You are stealing great hockey from me you miser
. the sun will not come out for you tomorrow..

 

[Jim Bob]

Murray got fired for the same reason Botts should/will be

Sitting by allowing a potentially positive season to crumble away by not addressing the obvious hole in the team.

It was the D for Murray. Now it’s the forwards for Botts.

The fact the Bills have been improving of late is showing Pegs that winning is possible. You just need the right people.

Here’s hoping third time’s a charm.

If this report really is true. You need to make the move now. Allow the new GM to get a taste of the team now vs half of the 20-21 season. Plus he can be prepped right for the draft and offseason.

I don't believe that is why Murray was fired.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm still on the Tulsky train. Perhaps by myself. Which makes for a quieter ride, but still...

And Meghan would be an interesting choice. At least they'd likely be using current evaluation tools instead of whatever bull**** they've been doing recently. And the rivalry gets kicked into high gear with the Coyotes.

Like used to be thrown around where I work, "We are going to fail in new and glorious ways!"

 

[FormerSabresFan]

I agree with Firing Botts now.

Bring in Gillis as President, Rick Dudley as GM, Hunter head of scouting, Meghan Chayka, head of analytics.

GO out and hire the best in the business.

 

[jc17]

It's just a thought based on his past actions, and I'm sure there will be pressure to improve the team.

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just dont know why you'd want to think about it

 

[Dubi Doo]

Im all-in on the tank for the first time since March of the McEichel tank season. If it get Botts fire it'll be short-term pain for long-term gain.

 

[jc17]

I honestly see Krueger wanting a role in upper management. I’d like to keep him around this organization if Botts is let go that’s for sure.

I'm not sold yet.

He has "leadership qualities" but we've yet to see him manage something successfully on the performance side.

I'm still not sold on the VP of rowing or whatever you want to call it, in general.

Ultimately if they decide to hire that position, it is still left to the pegula's interpretation who they interview that has the "correct" mindset. What "process" the organization chooses to follow would just be whoever sells it the best, and there isnt a great way for them to parse through the BS.

 

[Fezzy126]

I'm not sold yet.

He has "leadership qualities" but we've yet to see him manage something successfully on the performance side.

I'm still not sold on the VP of rowing or whatever you want to call it, in general.

Ultimately if they decide to hire that position, it is still left to the pegula's interpretation who they interview that has the "correct" mindset. What "process" the organization chooses to follow would just be whoever sells it the best, and there isnt a great way for them to parse through the BS.

This really doesn't get stated enough

 

[jc17]

And actually I dislike the hockey ops position even more because it adds another layer of muk to sift through when things go south.

If the sabres hire a lousy hockey czar its going to be that much more waiting than it already has been.

Year 1: The VP screws up and hires a bad GM, bad GM gets a mediocre coach. Not awful, just not good
Year 2: Mediocre coach gets 2nd chance
Year 3:GM fires coach, and hires another bad one because the GM is still bad
Year 4:GM has made 2 bad coaching hires and gets fired. Bad VP hires new GM who is also bad because VP is bad, and hires another bad coach.

This lasts until the VP and the 2nd GM get fired and it's back to square 1.


Rinse/repeat-2028 draft looking deep at least

 

[threeVo]

Could you let Ralph assume the GM role as well as coach until the end of the season? He seems respected around the league and I dont think based on his intelligence he would be over his head. My only concern would be the relationship with a player is wildly different when you are the coach or the GM. The coach doesnt trade you and doesnt decide what you get paid.

 

[OkimLom]

I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just dont know why you'd want to think about it

I had a moment of rest during the morning before work. That's what popped in, hahaha.

 

[Tatanka]

Im more concerned with him trading another 1st, or a player who is significantly better than he realizes (Pilut, Ruotsalainen)

The one thing I've taken from Bogo's surreal presence on the roster, is that Botterill will cow tow to Eichel, so I'm less worried about Reinhart being traded in that sense.

And there it is...thought it would be sooner. Because yeah Jack wanted Housley for another year and Frolik and Sheary and Miller. This meme needs to die. I hardly think Jack wanted Vesey on this team. The one player who is carrying the load and people want to point the finger at him. I hope he loses his love for the game on locker cleanout day and Dahlin does too. Both deserve better.

 

[Jame]

And there it is...thought it would be sooner. Because yeah Jack wanted Housley for another year and Frolik and Sheary and Miller. This meme needs to die. I hardly think Jack wanted Vesey on this team. The one player who is carrying the load and people want to point the finger at him. I hope he loses his love for the game on locker cleanout day and Dahlin does too. Both deserve better.

I'm pointing the finger at Botterill.

Pointing out the obvious (the franchise absolutely takes Eichel's opinion in to account) shouldn't ruffle feathers... especially for someone who hopes Eichel leaves the Sabres. See.... in that comment you get it. Eichel is what's most important. You don't think ownership/front office see it that way too?

 

[flashsabre]

I'm still on the Tulsky train. Perhaps by myself. Which makes for a quieter ride, but still...

And Meghan would be an interesting choice. At least they'd likely be using current evaluation tools instead of whatever bull**** they've been doing recently. And the rivalry gets kicked into high gear with the Coyotes.

Is Tulsky really good or he just made some comment on Twitter that you enjoyed?